Are globalized corporations unamerican?

[California Girl]

I mean where do their loyalties lie?
Do they care if America goes down the tubes as long as their profits increase?
Same with those who play the global market.

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

Globalized Conglomerates (The New Monopoly) are BAU for Conservatives.

Anything that kills jobs and concentrates wealth (Socialism for the rich..as Per Bachmann) is a good thing for Republicans.

Definitely have to re-evaluate my opinion of your intellect. Or perhaps you're dumbing down?

 

[Brutus]

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

actually we owe them our lives since they provide us our jobs and the products that got us from the stone age to here. Only a liberal would not know how much we owe corporations.

 

[Toro]

I mean where do their loyalties lie?
Do they care if America goes down the tubes as long as their profits increase?
Same with those who play the global market.

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

Corporations are not "unAmerican."

America doesn't owe corporations anything. America has to have a competitive and attractive environment to attract and retain corporations, who create jobs and are the engine of growth. Without corporations, the economy would collapse. Without a strong business community, America will wither. The two are not mutually exclusive.

well, I have to disagree... not with the first part. In general, Corporations aren't "un-American". But Corporations that take our jobs and move them over to China and the rest of the globe and are raking in record profits? No.. they're not just UN-AMERICAN.... they are ******* traitors and should be treated as such.

Do you have any idea what the effect on this country has been from these organizations? Did you ever think for one minute that if people were working, there would be more tax revenues and our Debt problem might not be so severe? Did you ever think that with more people working and spending that our economy wouldn't be so fucked up?

I'm sorry... these corporations do Owe America. America is the country that gave them the ability to become what they are. Let them try it in Europe.... no... not Greece, Greece is the Red headed stepchild of Europe. Let them try it in France, Germany, Denmark, etc. Hell, in Germany... the workers get to vote on a company's CEO. Let's see Mercedes Outsource their production to China... there would be riots in the streets.

That's what I don't understand about Conservatives. There are successful models out there to give our citizens a better life... but none of them want to even take a look. They see the horror story of Greece and think "That's us". But the truth is, we are the world's strongest economy.... we ain't Greece, nor will we ever be Greece.

Mercedes already outsources to China.

Mercedes-Benz to Expand Production Capacity in China - autoevolution

Also, Mercedes makes cars in America. We wouldn't have those jobs if Germany decided that only Germans should make Mercedes cars.

I agree with you on the corporate governance part. America is terrible for shareholders rights compared to most of the developed world.

However, a corporation's first duty is to the shareholders, not to the workers. I as a shareholder want my corporation to be as profitable as possible. Putting trade and investment barriers destroys wealth by creating inefficiencies which discourages productivity. All wealth creation comes from productivity. Making companies less productive by forcing them to invest in suboptimal environments merely transfers wealth from shareholders to others and creates a deadweight loss to society.

Outsourcing is not the reason for our debt problem. Our debt problem exists because we had a financial collapse and Americans are not willing to embrace solutions which will fix our fiscal balance.

 

[Steelplate]

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

actually we owe them our lives since they provide us our jobs and the products that got us from the stone age to here. Only a liberal would not know how much we owe corporations.

Only a Conservative would not know how much they owe their country. We owe them our lives? Really?

You are a slave Brutus...nothing more. You bow down to their shit. Unbelievable. You are so worried about an elected government enslaving you that you forgot to check your rear view mirror and ended up enslaved by the corporate world.

BTW.... ummm... if workers don't work... how does a corporation make money? That's right sunshine... you underestimate your own worth. They want you to work for nothing.. or as close to it as they can get. They don't care if you can't feed your damned kids, and if you'd let them(and it seems that you are perfectly willing to), they'd all team up together and either A) make one giant Corporation that DICTATES your worth. OR B) Collude with other corporations to DICTATE your worth.

A Corporation is NOTHING without it's workforce. Stop acting like a damned herd animal.

You should be PISSED that they'd rather pay some Communist in China $1/hour rather than pay you a decent wage that you can raise a family on. You should be pissed when They cry "Socialism" at every turn so that you have to keep paying more and making less.

My God man... what has happened to America? We are turning into pussies.

 

[Steelplate]

Corporations are not "unAmerican."

America doesn't owe corporations anything. America has to have a competitive and attractive environment to attract and retain corporations, who create jobs and are the engine of growth. Without corporations, the economy would collapse. Without a strong business community, America will wither. The two are not mutually exclusive.

well, I have to disagree... not with the first part. In general, Corporations aren't "un-American". But Corporations that take our jobs and move them over to China and the rest of the globe and are raking in record profits? No.. they're not just UN-AMERICAN.... they are ******* traitors and should be treated as such.

Do you have any idea what the effect on this country has been from these organizations? Did you ever think for one minute that if people were working, there would be more tax revenues and our Debt problem might not be so severe? Did you ever think that with more people working and spending that our economy wouldn't be so fucked up?

I'm sorry... these corporations do Owe America. America is the country that gave them the ability to become what they are. Let them try it in Europe.... no... not Greece, Greece is the Red headed stepchild of Europe. Let them try it in France, Germany, Denmark, etc. Hell, in Germany... the workers get to vote on a company's CEO. Let's see Mercedes Outsource their production to China... there would be riots in the streets.

That's what I don't understand about Conservatives. There are successful models out there to give our citizens a better life... but none of them want to even take a look. They see the horror story of Greece and think "That's us". But the truth is, we are the world's strongest economy.... we ain't Greece, nor will we ever be Greece.

Mercedes already outsources to China.

Mercedes-Benz to Expand Production Capacity in China - autoevolution

Also, Mercedes makes cars in America. We wouldn't have those jobs if Germany decided that only Germans should make Mercedes cars.

I agree with you on the corporate governance part. America is terrible for shareholders rights compared to most of the developed world.

However, a corporation's first duty is to the shareholders, not to the workers. I as a shareholder want my corporation to be as profitable as possible. Putting trade and investment barriers destroys wealth by creating inefficiencies which discourages productivity. All wealth creation comes from productivity. Making companies less productive by forcing them to invest in suboptimal environments merely transfers wealth from shareholders to others and creates a deadweight loss to society.

Outsourcing is not the reason for our debt problem. Our debt problem exists because we had a financial collapse and Americans are not willing to embrace solutions which will fix our fiscal balance.

So if you were a shareholder... you wouldn't give a shit if your Company's employees couldn't raise a family on the wages that they make? If not.... THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH CAPITALISM!!!!!

Outsourcing is a factor in our debt problem. More people working=more revenue. That Financial Collapse that you are referring to? was nothing more than Greed at the top from people who didn't give a shit how it affected people below them... until it all fell apart.... then they begged for a handout.

I just don't see how seemingly adequately intelligent people can't see through this stuff.

 

[The Rabbi]

well, I have to disagree... not with the first part. In general, Corporations aren't "un-American". But Corporations that take our jobs and move them over to China and the rest of the globe and are raking in record profits? No.. they're not just UN-AMERICAN.... they are ******* traitors and should be treated as such.

Do you have any idea what the effect on this country has been from these organizations? Did you ever think for one minute that if people were working, there would be more tax revenues and our Debt problem might not be so severe? Did you ever think that with more people working and spending that our economy wouldn't be so fucked up?

I'm sorry... these corporations do Owe America. America is the country that gave them the ability to become what they are. Let them try it in Europe.... no... not Greece, Greece is the Red headed stepchild of Europe. Let them try it in France, Germany, Denmark, etc. Hell, in Germany... the workers get to vote on a company's CEO. Let's see Mercedes Outsource their production to China... there would be riots in the streets.

That's what I don't understand about Conservatives. There are successful models out there to give our citizens a better life... but none of them want to even take a look. They see the horror story of Greece and think "That's us". But the truth is, we are the world's strongest economy.... we ain't Greece, nor will we ever be Greece.

Mercedes already outsources to China.

Mercedes-Benz to Expand Production Capacity in China - autoevolution

Also, Mercedes makes cars in America. We wouldn't have those jobs if Germany decided that only Germans should make Mercedes cars.

I agree with you on the corporate governance part. America is terrible for shareholders rights compared to most of the developed world.

However, a corporation's first duty is to the shareholders, not to the workers. I as a shareholder want my corporation to be as profitable as possible. Putting trade and investment barriers destroys wealth by creating inefficiencies which discourages productivity. All wealth creation comes from productivity. Making companies less productive by forcing them to invest in suboptimal environments merely transfers wealth from shareholders to others and creates a deadweight loss to society.

Outsourcing is not the reason for our debt problem. Our debt problem exists because we had a financial collapse and Americans are not willing to embrace solutions which will fix our fiscal balance.

So if you were a shareholder... you wouldn't give a shit if your Company's employees couldn't raise a family on the wages that they make? If not.... THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH CAPITALISM!!!!!

Outsourcing is a factor in our debt problem. More people working=more revenue. That Financial Collapse that you are referring to? was nothing more than Greed at the top from people who didn't give a shit how it affected people below them... until it all fell apart.... then they begged for a handout.

I just don't see how seemingly adequately intelligent people can't see through this stuff.

Maybe because you are not intelligent?

If workers cannot make do, they will quit and find jobs that will make do.
Outsourcing is not a factor in our debt problem. Spending is.
The "financial collapse" was a result of bad policy and rational decisions based on that policy.

 

[Brutus]

That Financial Collapse that you are referring to? was nothing more than Greed at the top .

if at the top you mean liberal government you are correct. Read "Reckless Endangerment"

Now no one can say with a straight face that Fanny/Freddie, CRA, and the Federal Reserve didn't cause the crisis.

 

[Antiderivative]

Corporatism is a long arm of the government. Since Hamilton won over Jefferson, then corporations are very American.

 

[Toro]

So if you were a shareholder... you wouldn't give a shit if your Company's employees couldn't raise a family on the wages that they make? If not.... THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH CAPITALISM!!!!!

Outsourcing is a factor in our debt problem. More people working=more revenue. That Financial Collapse that you are referring to? was nothing more than Greed at the top from people who didn't give a shit how it affected people below them... until it all fell apart.... then they begged for a handout.

I just don't see how seemingly adequately intelligent people can't see through this stuff.

The Financial Crisis had nothing to do with outsourcing. It wouldn't have mattered if a single job had not gone to China. We would still have high unemployment and a crappy economy. The Financial Crisis is about asset prices rising much too far above their fundamental value, which lead to mal-investment and excess capacity, followed by an inevitable collapse. I am sympathetic with the notion that the middle and lower classes have stagnated or declined over the past decade, but outsourcing did not cause tech stocks to go to stupid levels, nor did it cause home prices to go to stupid levels, and they certainly did not cause both to crash to earth.

Tariffs and investment barriers destroy wealth for developed economies by propping up declining industries and diverting resources away from productive industries. It slows economic growth by diverting productive funds into unproductive activities. The problem with the financial crisis is that too much capital went into unproductive activities, where the return on capital, or even return of capital, would never, ever equal the cost of capital. That is how wealth is destroyed. You are arguing that this country should divert capital to lower return industries to prop up unproductive activities, which is a loser in the long run and means fewer jobs in this country, not more.

I agree that inequality has widened, and that the spoils have accrued to fewer people over the past decade, much of which (but by no means all) is due to circumstance and broad sweeping changes in the global economy outside of individuals' control. So I don't have a problem with those of us who have done well paying more to fund programs to help those who have not been as fortunate. But propping up losing industries is a loser in the long run. The market is by no means perfect, but capitalism has been the driving force that has given us this tremendous standard of living unrivaled at any time in history. The market does **** it up spectacularly at times, but government has a very poor record at picking winners and losers in the productive economy. I'd rather trust capitalism and the market to sort it out than the government.

 

[Toro]

That Financial Collapse that you are referring to? was nothing more than Greed at the top .

if at the top you mean liberal government you are correct. Read "Reckless Endangerment"

Now no one can say with a straight face that Fanny/Freddie, CRA, and the Federal Reserve didn't cause the crisis.

The Federal Reserve is the primary culprit in the Financial Crisis. The GSEs played a minor role. The CRA was inconsequential.

 

[thereisnospoon]

well, I have to disagree... not with the first part. In general, Corporations aren't "un-American". But Corporations that take our jobs and move them over to China and the rest of the globe and are raking in record profits? No.. they're not just UN-AMERICAN.... they are ******* traitors and should be treated as such.

Do you have any idea what the effect on this country has been from these organizations? Did you ever think for one minute that if people were working, there would be more tax revenues and our Debt problem might not be so severe? Did you ever think that with more people working and spending that our economy wouldn't be so fucked up?

What nonsense. You are the type of person that wants to punish companies and then complain about outsourcing. Why do you thing companies outsource anyway? It is not because they do not want to be here but because we make it nary impossible to stay profitable. What would you do when prices jump 10 times what they are now because they stopped outsourcing? You cannot pile on regulation after regulation and tax after tax and expect that a company would stay here in America. You cannot expect a head of lettuce to cost one buck and think that hey, unionized workers here in the US making 20 bucks an hour picked this. It is not possible.

Corporations are not people and you expect them to act like they are. They have no loyalties, no obligations and no motivations other than profit within the bounds of the law. Want jobs here then you have to understand that and create law that reflects reality. Low cooperate tax rates, tariffs on imported goods of countries that do not trade evenly and more room within regulations that allow corporations to stay profitable. THAT is what we need, not calling corporations un-American. How can you call a business model un-American? That does not even make the least bit of sense.

I'm sorry... these corporations do Owe America. America is the country that gave them the ability to become what they are. Let them try it in Europe.... no... not Greece, Greece is the Red headed stepchild of Europe. Let them try it in France, Germany, Denmark, etc. Hell, in Germany... the workers get to vote on a company's CEO. Let's see Mercedes Outsource their production to China... there would be riots in the streets.

That's what I don't understand about Conservatives. There are successful models out there to give our citizens a better life... but none of them want to even take a look. They see the horror story of Greece and think "That's us". But the truth is, we are the world's strongest economy.... we ain't Greece, nor will we ever be Greece.

Let them try that in Europe? Are you an idiot? BP is BRITISH PETROLEUM yet there LARGEST division is in the US. Other nations companies outsource just as often as companies here do. Maybe in North Korea that is a practice that is not allowed but in the industrialized world they have discovered a better way.


Greece is the redheaded stepchild? Care to show how they are so different? The reality is that Greece fell because they are smaller than the rest so they could not last as long. Europe is in trouble as well though Greece may have woken people up to the fact that debt DOES matter and it does have to ber paid back. You cannot continue to sell tomorrow for comforts today. That is universal and no matter how strong our economy is that truth is still there. I fail to see just how you think that we can continue to do the things that we are doing and NOT end up like Greece.

I get it, HOW is not important. SOMEONE will figure it out. They just need to do it.

First... to answer your question...why do companies outsource? Easy. $1/hour labor and 2.5% import tariffs. If you think it's because of "Restrictive government policies and Unions... you're out of your tree.

Next..Greece is the red headed stepchild. They don't have the economy to be part of the EU. But they still use the Euro for their currency and it's killing them. Funny how Germany and France don't have major problems working with their Citizens.

How do we end up NOT like Greece. Easy... well.. not all that easy politically... too many sacred cows and Monied interests.

1. Live within your means militarily... stop playing world police.

2. Go single payer for health Care.

3. Stop playing Nanny to the world. China's tariff for our products is 25%. Ours for theirs is 2.5%. Demand from China and every other importer an equitable and reciprocal trade policy. If they refuse, jack up the tariffs to match theirs.

4. Stop subsidizing big business and the banking industries.

5. Re-organize our Entitlement programs. Medicare and Medicaid will no longer be in existence(see #2). With the new single payer program, learn from the mistakes of Medicare and streamline it into an efficient model...Take a good hard look at other single payer countries and learn from them. Social Security? There's nothing wrong with Social Security that wasn't caused by Politicians stealing from the fund. Our money needs paid back.

6. Eliminate loopholes for our wealthiest citizens... go back to Clinton era rates for all of us.

Between a Real Trade Policy with our global competitors... (you can't have "Free Trade" when the deck is so stacked against you. Our Trade deficit alone is $500 Billion/year that leaves this country and never comes back)... and single payer health Care system... we are talking about huge amounts of money that will be saved. Not to mention more money in the hands of working people(no Health Insurance Premiums). Sure, they will end up paying a little more in taxes, but no where near the what? $14K or so it costs to maintain Health Insurance.

But I know.. you don't want to hear that. so I'm not sure why I even responded.. it's going to fall on deaf and brainwashed ears anyway.

You should have stopped at "live within your means".
The rest of your post is tripe.
Single payer for 310 million people is a gargantuan undertaking. Without massive bureaucracy and expense, it is impossible.
Single payer would add hundreds of thousands of new federal employees. We can't afford the ones employed now.
Bottom line. Socialized medicine is rationed care. The American people will not tolerate rationing of medical care. Period.

 

[thereisnospoon]

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

actually we owe them our lives since they provide us our jobs and the products that got us from the stone age to here. Only a liberal would not know how much we owe corporations.

Only a Conservative would not know how much they owe their country. We owe them our lives? Really?

You are a slave Brutus...nothing more. You bow down to their shit. Unbelievable. You are so worried about an elected government enslaving you that you forgot to check your rear view mirror and ended up enslaved by the corporate world.

BTW.... ummm... if workers don't work... how does a corporation make money? That's right sunshine... you underestimate your own worth. They want you to work for nothing.. or as close to it as they can get. They don't care if you can't feed your damned kids, and if you'd let them(and it seems that you are perfectly willing to), they'd all team up together and either A) make one giant Corporation that DICTATES your worth. OR B) Collude with other corporations to DICTATE your worth.

A Corporation is NOTHING without it's workforce. Stop acting like a damned herd animal.

You should be PISSED that they'd rather pay some Communist in China $1/hour rather than pay you a decent wage that you can raise a family on. You should be pissed when They cry "Socialism" at every turn so that you have to keep paying more and making less.

My God man... what has happened to America? We are turning into pussies.

Corporations....The lib buzz word for "evil"....
Enough of this class warfare pro union bugle blowing.
Businesses do not operate to employ people. They operate to turn a profit for their owners/investors.
Business owners hire employees because they cannot do all of the work themselves. If that were possible the business would operate without employed help.
I will give you a perfect example.
Parkdale Mills. A company based in North Carolina. This company has been around for many years. During the 1980's market share began to dry up. Textiles became an unprofitable business in the US. Parkdale's management was determined to stay in business closed unprofitable mills then modernized the remaining plants. Employees were released. The retooled plants were designed to operate with little human oversight. Instead of hiring full time people to work in the plants, contract workers were hired to do the work. Wages were competitive with those before the changeover. The company survived and in subsequent years was able to hire full time people ,many of those former contract workers. Parkdale still operates today, turns a profit with about 10% of the workforce it once had.
For those who believe that companies cannot operate without massive employment, they are wrong.

 

[uscitizen]

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

actually we owe them our lives since they provide us our jobs and the products that got us from the stone age to here. Only a liberal would not know how much we owe corporations.

Now that is really the corporatized mindset.
Next thing he will post is that corporations founded America.

There is a speck of truth in his post. Small corporations are generally good for the people and the area of their locations. Mega global corporations are an entirely different matter where the people/area winds up serving them.

 

[The Rabbi]

Does America owe them any breaks or support?

actually we owe them our lives since they provide us our jobs and the products that got us from the stone age to here. Only a liberal would not know how much we owe corporations.

Now that is really the corporatized mindset.
Next thing he will post is that corporations founded America.

There is a speck of truth in his post. Small corporations are generally good for the people and the area of their locations. Mega global corporations are an entirely different matter where the people/area winds up serving them.

Corporations were responsible for a lot of the founding of this country. Yes, true. Thanks for pointing it out.

 

[FA_Q2]

First... to answer your question...why do companies outsource? Easy. $1/hour labor and 2.5% import tariffs. If you think it's because of "Restrictive government policies and Unions... you're out of your tree.

Not even close. The cost of operating a business in all inclusive to EPA regulations that you need to follow to taxes to the price of labor even to the price of land. ALL of it plays a factor. You seem to think that a dollar an hour pay is better than 20 dollars an hour but not if that other person is 20 times more productive. That plays a part in it as well. We CAN make investment in this country more appealing if we create an atmosphere that is conducive to opening a business here and not in other places. This has been explained to you. What is so hard to understand about this simple fact?

Next..Greece is the red headed stepchild. They don't have the economy to be part of the EU. But they still use the Euro for their currency and it's killing them. Funny how Germany and France don't have major problems working with their Citizens.

How do we end up NOT like Greece. Easy... well.. not all that easy politically... too many sacred cows and Monied interests.

1. Live within your means militarily... stop playing world police.

Advocated here by ALMOST EVERYONE. That has never been in dispute.

2. Go single payer for health Care.

Again, Show one example of how this would save anything at all? That is a nice one liner from the party talking points but you have no idea what you are talking about.

3. Stop playing Nanny to the world. China's tariff for our products is 25%. Ours for theirs is 2.5%. Demand from China and every other importer an equitable and reciprocal trade policy. If they refuse, jack up the tariffs to match theirs.

Agreed. We need to revamp out trade policies toward countries that intentionally devalue their money and have uneven trade agreements.

4. Stop subsidizing big business and the banking industries.

Also, agreed. But then you support the bailouts and the stimulus at the same time. Double standard. The easy and ONLY solution is to get the government out of business entirely.

5. Re-organize our Entitlement programs. Medicare and Medicaid will no longer be in existence(see #2). With the new single payer program, learn from the mistakes of Medicare and streamline it into an efficient model...Take a good hard look at other single payer countries and learn from them. Social Security? There's nothing wrong with Social Security that wasn't caused by Politicians stealing from the fund. Our money needs paid back.

Ya, Medicaid and Medicare would be gone, replaced by a program 20 times in size and scope. That, of course, is magically cheaper…

SS is for another thread..

6. Eliminate loopholes for our wealthiest citizens... go back to Clinton era rates for all of us.

Loopholes, yes. Raising taxes on the other hand will do NOTHING for the deficit. The problem is the rate of spending. Get that under control and I will gladly agree to tax raises. Until then, congress should not get one more red cent. You do not hand your CC to a person that is a shopaholic. You don’t give congress more when they have PROVEN to be incapable of managing it.

 

[FA_Q2]

So if you were a shareholder... you wouldn't give a shit if your Company's employees couldn't raise a family on the wages that they make? If not.... THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH CAPITALISM!!!!!

No, that is your own damn problem. It is not the companies responsibility to ensure you are worth enough to do anything. Where is the workers responsibility here. Is it someone else's job to ensure you are comfortable. Perhaps you thing having a job is a right? You should not have to work at all, just collect that paycheck because you have a RIGHT to that money. Sorry, that is not how it works and hopefully it never will be. You want to make more than earn it. Novel concept, I know.

Outsourcing is a factor in our debt problem. More people working=more revenue. That Financial Collapse that you are referring to? was nothing more than Greed at the top from people who didn't give a shit how it affected people below them... until it all fell apart.... then they begged for a handout.

I just don't see how seemingly adequately intelligent people can't see through this stuff.

Again, contrite left wing talking points. There was a lot to lead to the financial crisis and much of it is directly related to insane governmental policy.

I just don't see how seemingly adequately intelligent people can't see through this stuff.

 

[uscitizen]

Corporations are not "unAmerican."

America doesn't owe corporations anything. America has to have a competitive and attractive environment to attract and retain corporations, who create jobs and are the engine of growth. Without corporations, the economy would collapse. Without a strong business community, America will wither. The two are not mutually exclusive.

well, I have to disagree... not with the first part. In general, Corporations aren't "un-American". But Corporations that take our jobs and move them over to China and the rest of the globe and are raking in record profits? No.. they're not just UN-AMERICAN.... they are ******* traitors and should be treated as such.

Do you have any idea what the effect on this country has been from these organizations? Did you ever think for one minute that if people were working, there would be more tax revenues and our Debt problem might not be so severe? Did you ever think that with more people working and spending that our economy wouldn't be so fucked up?

What nonsense. You are the type of person that wants to punish companies and then complain about outsourcing. Why do you thing companies outsource anyway? It is not because they do not want to be here but because we make it nary impossible to stay profitable. What would you do when prices jump 10 times what they are now because they stopped outsourcing? You cannot pile on regulation after regulation and tax after tax and expect that a company would stay here in America. You cannot expect a head of lettuce to cost one buck and think that hey, unionized workers here in the US making 20 bucks an hour picked this. It is not possible.

Corporations are not people and you expect them to act like they are. They have no loyalties, no obligations and no motivations other than profit within the bounds of the law. Want jobs here then you have to understand that and create law that reflects reality. Low cooperate tax rates, tariffs on imported goods of countries that do not trade evenly and more room within regulations that allow corporations to stay profitable. THAT is what we need, not calling corporations un-American. How can you call a business model un-American? That does not even make the least bit of sense.

I'm sorry... these corporations do Owe America. America is the country that gave them the ability to become what they are. Let them try it in Europe.... no... not Greece, Greece is the Red headed stepchild of Europe. Let them try it in France, Germany, Denmark, etc. Hell, in Germany... the workers get to vote on a company's CEO. Let's see Mercedes Outsource their production to China... there would be riots in the streets.

That's what I don't understand about Conservatives. There are successful models out there to give our citizens a better life... but none of them want to even take a look. They see the horror story of Greece and think "That's us". But the truth is, we are the world's strongest economy.... we ain't Greece, nor will we ever be Greece.

Let them try that in Europe? Are you an idiot? BP is BRITISH PETROLEUM yet there LARGEST division is in the US. Other nations companies outsource just as often as companies here do. Maybe in North Korea that is a practice that is not allowed but in the industrialized world they have discovered a better way.


Greece is the redheaded stepchild? Care to show how they are so different? The reality is that Greece fell because they are smaller than the rest so they could not last as long. Europe is in trouble as well though Greece may have woken people up to the fact that debt DOES matter and it does have to ber paid back. You cannot continue to sell tomorrow for comforts today. That is universal and no matter how strong our economy is that truth is still there. I fail to see just how you think that we can continue to do the things that we are doing and NOT end up like Greece.

I get it, HOW is not important. SOMEONE will figure it out. They just need to do it.

Yes BP bought out Gulf Oil, etc, real US companies and now US persons and corporations own less than 40% of BP stock.

 

[uscitizen]

So if you were a shareholder... you wouldn't give a shit if your Company's employees couldn't raise a family on the wages that they make? If not.... THAT'S THE PROBLEM WITH CAPITALISM!!!!!

No, that is your own damn problem. It is not the companies responsibility to ensure you are worth enough to do anything. Where is the workers responsibility here. Is it someone else's job to ensure you are comfortable. Perhaps you thing having a job is a right? You should not have to work at all, just collect that paycheck because you have a RIGHT to that money. Sorry, that is not how it works and hopefully it never will be. You want to make more than earn it. Novel concept, I know.

Outsourcing is a factor in our debt problem. More people working=more revenue. That Financial Collapse that you are referring to? was nothing more than Greed at the top from people who didn't give a shit how it affected people below them... until it all fell apart.... then they begged for a handout.

I just don't see how seemingly adequately intelligent people can't see through this stuff.

Again, contrite left wing talking points. There was a lot to lead to the financial crisis and much of it is directly related to insane governmental policy.

I just don't see how seemingly adequately intelligent people can't see through this stuff.

Yes insane governmental policy of deregulating the finiancial industry and trusting them.

But you are correct in that being not the only cuase of our current finiancial situation.'
Offshoring, globalization, free trade, persons and corporations living far beyone their means, etc.

 

[whitehall]

You almost gotta laugh or look up Alinsky's "rules for radicals". Now the left is concerned with "unAmericanism". Go figure.

 

[uscitizen]

You almost gotta laugh or look up Alinsky's "rules for radicals". Now the left is concerned with "unAmericanism". Go figure.

I am not "the left".
I am very pro American. I am for supporting my country and the people in it.
Not for supporting other countries or multinational corporations over my own country's well being.