are firefighters and police more important than teachers ?

[Soggy in NOLA]

We are all Teachers, we don't however all run against the crowd, or into burning buildings, or reach into burning cars to save lives.

And if Republicans had their way, they would be doing that at 70.

And if liberals had their way, everybody would retire at 40 and live of everybody else... oh.. wait..... that won't work.

 

[LostAmerican]

david gregory just asked gov walker on meat the press, about some exemptions for police and fire, while still encouraging them to engage in collective bargaining.


""are you saying that sand police are more important than teachers who spend six hours a day in a class room?"

and i say... yes, yes they are. they are more important to our society.

Only to teacher's unions and lazy Mexican mothers who want the American taxpayer to raise their children.

 

[georgephillip]

david gregory just asked gov walker on meat the press, about exemptions of police and fire, while still encouraging them to engage in collective bargaining.
""are you saying that firefighter and police are more important than teachers who spend six hours a day in a class room?"

and i say... yes, yes they are. they are more important to our society.

Is the liver more important than the heart?

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

Can we afford anymore multi-trillion dollar bailouts of Wall Street?

 

[georgephillip]

We are all Teachers, we don't however all run against the crowd, or into burning buildings, or reach into burning cars to save lives.

What a way to minimize what a teacher is.

That's rich Intense...really.

LoL!!!

It is not minimizing what a Teacher is. There is really no comparison, when you consider the risk Cops and Firemen take every day. Consider for a moment, the lifetime of Toxins and carcinogens a NYC Fireman is exposed to over a 20-25 year career. There is no compensation that will balance that sacrifice. The stress of Cop's and Firemen, is beyond compare, it effects every aspect of their lives .Sorry, that's just how I see it. That is not a put down to the teaching profession. You shouldn't take it that way.

Who taught the cops and firefighters how to read?

Americans For Prosperity?

 

[jgarden]

david gregory just asked gov walker on meat the press, about some exemptions for police and fire, while still encouraging them to engage in collective bargaining.


""are you saying that sand police are more important than teachers who spend six hours a day in a class room?"

and i say... yes, yes they are. they are more important to our society.

The defining issue is not whether police/firefighters "are more important to our society" than teachers!

The defining issue is which of these groups were "more important to" putting Governor Walker into office!

Is it all just a matter of coincidence that those public service unions which supported the Governor during the past election also get to retain their union status?

If the teachers had supported the Governor, instead of the the police/firefighters, their union would have been exempted and they would have suddenly become "more important to our society."

 

[Tea Bag Partier]

david gregory just asked gov walker on meat the press, about exemptions of police and fire, while still encouraging them to engage in collective bargaining.
""are you saying that firefighter and police are more important than teachers who spend six hours a day in a class room?"

and i say... yes, yes they are. they are more important to our society.

Is the liver more important than the heart?

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of USMB posters work at Taco Bell, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could earn more than eight bucks an hour

According to payscale.com, the national median annual salary for a teacher ranges from 40k to 43k per year. Do you really consider that "high wages" for someone who has the equivalent of a Master's degree and highly specialized training?

 

[bodecea]

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

Yeah, being a public school teacher is really the path to riches.

see, that's what a socialist does, try to render it undiscussable.


i've noticed that some teachers and unions are throwing some firefighters and cops and military, under the bus, and clinging to their coat tails while indulging their own self importance

Where have you noticed that?

 

[kaz]

Is the liver more important than the heart?

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

Can we afford anymore multi-trillion dollar bailouts of Wall Street?

I too oppose the bailouts, but in fairness to wall street, government caused the financial distress in the first place. The Clinton administration threatened to use the power of government to effectively shut them down if they didn't make more loans to sub-prime under the rationale they weren't loaning the money because they were greedy. Turns out that wasn't why they weren't loaning them money. Government also underwrote all those sub-prime loans and then sold them to investors who thought government would bail out the portfolios if they got in trouble since government created them. They probably would have except that government created too massive a mess to do that quietly. Then the falling housing prices brought the economy down around it.

Sorry to let facts get in the way of an anti-capitalist rant, but facts aren't a liberals friend.

 

[jillian]

We are all Teachers, we don't however all run against the crowd, or into burning buildings, or reach into burning cars to save lives.

no. we aren't all teachers. we don't all spend our days educating classrooms full of children, making sure they meet both national and local standards, making sure that they excel on their exams in order to keep their own and their school's stats up, while having no say in whom they teach, regardless of ability, behavior or parental cooperation.

i wouldn't want anyone teaching my son who thought anyone could do it...


same as i wouldn't want to be represented by someone who thinks anyone can do what an attorney does.

 

[jillian]

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

Can we afford anymore multi-trillion dollar bailouts of Wall Street?

I too oppose the bailouts, but in fairness to wall street, government caused the financial distress in the first place. The Clinton administration threatened to use the power of government to effectively shut them down if they didn't make more loans to sub-prime under the rationale they weren't loaning the money because they were greedy. Turns out that wasn't why they weren't loaning them money. Government also underwrote all those sub-prime loans and then sold them to investors who thought government would bail out the portfolios if they got in trouble since government created them. They probably would have except that government created too massive a mess to do that quietly. Then the falling housing prices brought the economy down around it.

Sorry to let facts get in the way of an anti-capitalist rant, but facts aren't a liberals friend.

government caused the financial distress in the first place?

ok... now i know that your posts are to be made fun of.

 

[geauxtohell]

Only to teacher's unions and lazy Mexican mothers who want the American taxpayer to raise their children.

You are a credit to the American conservative point of view.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Is the liver more important than the heart?

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of USMB posters work at Taco Bell, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could earn more than eight bucks an hour

According to payscale.com, the national median annual salary for a teacher ranges from 40k to 43k per year. Do you really consider that "high wages" for someone who has the equivalent of a Master's degree and highly specialized training?

I'm starting to get the impression that you don't have a job, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could pay taxes and object to being ripped off by civil servants.

According to the job requirements listings of virtually every state in the union, the minimum degree necessary for teacher certification is a Bachelor's, not a Master's, so stop trying to bullshit us with this "Master's degree" garbage. And highly specialized training? Puhleeze. It's no secret - well, to anyone but you - that education degrees are among the easiest to acquire. And since the homeschooling movement, taught by housewives across the nation, is beating the socks off the public schools . . . well, I think that shows you how "highly specialized" THAT training is.

Finally, only an utter dolt would honestly think that base salary is all there is to the compensation for teachers or any other profession. I guess that explains why it came from YOU.

 

[geauxtohell]

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

Can we afford anymore multi-trillion dollar bailouts of Wall Street?

I too oppose the bailouts, but in fairness to wall street, government caused the financial distress in the first place. The Clinton administration threatened to use the power of government to effectively shut them down if they didn't make more loans to sub-prime under the rationale they weren't loaning the money because they were greedy. Turns out that wasn't why they weren't loaning them money. Government also underwrote all those sub-prime loans and then sold them to investors who thought government would bail out the portfolios if they got in trouble since government created them. They probably would have except that government created too massive a mess to do that quietly. Then the falling housing prices brought the economy down around it.

Sorry to let facts get in the way of an anti-capitalist rant, but facts aren't a liberals friend.

but.................

It's different when we bail out the rich boys!

 

[geauxtohell]

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of USMB posters work at Taco Bell, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could earn more than eight bucks an hour

According to payscale.com, the national median annual salary for a teacher ranges from 40k to 43k per year. Do you really consider that "high wages" for someone who has the equivalent of a Master's degree and highly specialized training?

I'm starting to get the impression that you don't have a job, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could pay taxes and object to being ripped off by civil servants.

According to the job requirements listings of virtually every state in the union, the minimum degree necessary for teacher certification is a Bachelor's, not a Master's, so stop trying to bullshit us with this "Master's degree" garbage. And highly specialized training? Puhleeze. It's no secret - well, to anyone but you - that education degrees are among the easiest to acquire. And since the homeschooling movement, taught by housewives across the nation, is beating the socks off the public schools . . . well, I think that shows you how "highly specialized" THAT training is.

Finally, only an utter dolt would honestly think that base salary is all there is to the compensation for teachers or any other profession. I guess that explains why it came from YOU.

Well, not everyone can be the successful small business owner you are, paraphile1200.

 

[jillian]

david gregory just asked gov walker on meat the press, about some exemptions for police and fire, while still encouraging them to engage in collective bargaining.


""are you saying that sand police are more important than teachers who spend six hours a day in a class room?"

and i say... yes, yes they are. they are more important to our society.

Only to teacher's unions and lazy Mexican mothers who want the American taxpayer to raise their children.

your ignorance is a testament to your lack of education.

 

[Intense]

Whose more important:

The Army, Navy, Air Force, or Marines?

They are all on the same side of the coin.

So are public employees.

Yes and no. In Civil Defense or State of Emergency, no. In Core Constitutional Role or Capacity, Federal or State, no. In the ability to fill positions with competitive bidding for jobs, no. In risk to health and Life, no.

The way they are on the same side of the coin is their pay and benefits coming from Taxation, which is by design. I think it is silly to compare these vocations, as if they are all the same when they are not.

 

[Intense]

We are all Teachers, we don't however all run against the crowd, or into burning buildings, or reach into burning cars to save lives.

And if Republicans had their way, they would be doing that at 70.

Show us you are capable of intelligent debate. Act your age. You know the Structure of the FD and Police Departments. I am Private sector and plan to be working at 70. What is it to you RD???

 

[Tea Bag Partier]

Good point (I think)
They're all important, we just can't afford to pay them high wages and gold plated medical benefits anymore.

I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of USMB posters work at Taco Bell, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could earn more than eight bucks an hour

According to payscale.com, the national median annual salary for a teacher ranges from 40k to 43k per year. Do you really consider that "high wages" for someone who has the equivalent of a Master's degree and highly specialized training?

I'm starting to get the impression that you don't have a job, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could pay taxes and object to being ripped off by civil servants.

According to the job requirements listings of virtually every state in the union, the minimum degree necessary for teacher certification is a Bachelor's, not a Master's, so stop trying to bullshit us with this "Master's degree" garbage. And highly specialized training? Puhleeze. It's no secret - well, to anyone but you - that education degrees are among the easiest to acquire. And since the homeschooling movement, taught by housewives across the nation, is beating the socks off the public schools . . . well, I think that shows you how "highly specialized" THAT training is.

Finally, only an utter dolt would honestly think that base salary is all there is to the compensation for teachers or any other profession. I guess that explains why it came from YOU.

Anger management therapy, perhaps?

I said teachers had the equivalent of a Master's degree.

Here's how it works, Einstein: Getting a teaching credential not only requires a bachelors degree but admission and completion of post-baccalaureate graduate level studies. Typically three to four semesters of post-graduate studies. So, that's a bachelors degree plus one and half to two years of graduate level study. In my book, that's the effectively the equivalent of a Master's degree.


If you want to encourage the GOP to campaign nationally on a plan to abolish public schools and public universities, go for it. That would rule!

 

[geauxtohell]

They are all on the same side of the coin.

So are public employees.

Yes and no. In Civil Defense or State of Emergency, no. In Core Constitutional Role or Capacity, Federal or State, no. In the ability to fill positions with competitive bidding for jobs, no. In risk to health and Life, no.

The way they are on the same side of the coin is their pay and benefits coming from Taxation, which is by design. I think it is silly to compare these vocations, as if they are all the same when they are not.

Not every job in the DOD has the same risk to health and life either. Furthermore, I wasn't aware that there was a constitutional mandate for police and firemen either. As for job eligibility, since the police and firefighters are unionized too, I don't see that as being different from job to job.

No one has compared the vocations, we've just stated they are both essential.

 

[geauxtohell]

I'm starting to get the impression that a lot of USMB posters work at Taco Bell, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could earn more than eight bucks an hour

According to payscale.com, the national median annual salary for a teacher ranges from 40k to 43k per year. Do you really consider that "high wages" for someone who has the equivalent of a Master's degree and highly specialized training?

I'm starting to get the impression that you don't have a job, and are amazed, flabbergasted, and possibly jealous that anyone could pay taxes and object to being ripped off by civil servants.

According to the job requirements listings of virtually every state in the union, the minimum degree necessary for teacher certification is a Bachelor's, not a Master's, so stop trying to bullshit us with this "Master's degree" garbage. And highly specialized training? Puhleeze. It's no secret - well, to anyone but you - that education degrees are among the easiest to acquire. And since the homeschooling movement, taught by housewives across the nation, is beating the socks off the public schools . . . well, I think that shows you how "highly specialized" THAT training is.

Finally, only an utter dolt would honestly think that base salary is all there is to the compensation for teachers or any other profession. I guess that explains why it came from YOU.

Anger management therapy, perhaps?

I said teachers had the equivalent of a Master's degree.

Here's how it works, Einstein: Getting a teaching credential not only requires a bachelors degree but admission and completion of post-baccalaureate graduate level studies. Typically three to four semesters of post-graduate studies. So, that's a bachelors degree plus one and half to two years of graduate level study. In my book, that's the effectively the equivalent of a Master's degree.


If you want to encourage the GOP to campaign nationally on a plan to abolish public schools and public universities, go for it. That would rule!

They won't. A head on assault would be suicide. My lord, imagine the fallout from the loss of college football alone.

That's why they will continue to attack obliquely, a la the cowardly lion, Scott Walker.