Seawytch
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Oh? Which...your Canadian study that proved only that the children if unmarried couples do slightly worse in school? That proves what?
Are Children A Part Of The Gay Marriage Conversation?
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Oh? Which...your Canadian study that proved only that the children if unmarried couples do slightly worse in school? That proves what?
elektra
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Studies by adults says kids are healthy in a homosexual home, but the studies do not say, "if given a choice, would the child choose to live in a man-man homosexual home".
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Seawytch
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Oh, do explain that one, please.
elektra
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Quote everything, cherry picker.
JFK_USA
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I know 3 people who have homosexual parents and not a single one would give them up for anything. They love their parents because their parents love them. Stupid reasoning.
ricechickie
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Why don't you tell us how you would describe the love and intimacy that you experienced to create life?
Go ahead, give us the sex education that you would give your child(ren). Since you think that homosexual parents are teaching their kids about who is the top and who's the bottom, let's just see you type out all the ways in which you would teach a child about heterosexual sex.
(Of course, sex education usually doesn't involve simply an indoctrination into the parents' sex practices, but that's another story.......)
Please. Enlighten us.
JFK_USA
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Again YOU ignore any proof that kids can grow up just fine in homosexual households. I know 3 people who did and they are as normal as can be. Yes they may have issues but everyone has issues but they are very successful people and have done well for themselves.
And every research study has flaws including the one YOU prefer. That's science and statistics 101. That doesn't mean ALL kids in homosexual families are worse off because YOU don't like it.
elektra
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I am speaking of adoption, not simply having a parent who is homosexual.
Stupid comprehension on your part,
elektra
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Again, this thread is not about me, it's about kids.
You stated children should never learn, "a description", dictating what shall not be taught by parents.
Now you dictate that I state details of my intimacy, just like an activist, we must always chase the goal posts which the activist constantly moves.
Always fishing for a fault in heterosexuals, dictating that the discussion is not about homosexuality.
Now we are told that, "Heterosexuals indoctrinate children", that is bad, hence the improper term applied to what is normal and acceptable.
Pretty scary you are
ricechickie
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Yeah, you're all finished.
You're very comfortable putting words into the mouths of gay parents, you're very comfortable telling everyone else what they will teach their hypothetical 9-year-old children, but you refuse to tell anyone how you would educate your kids about sex. Suddenly, this isn't about you. Suddenly, I'm "dictating" the conversation.
I can't dictate what kind of sick **** you are, I can only observe your sick fuckedness.
Enjoy your night.
beagle9
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In case you are forgetting, Sil.
A mardigras parade
Clearly these people are trying to attract children to a sinful heterosexual lifestyle of premarital sex and teenage pregnancy. How dare you allow heterosexuals to get married and adopt children.
Not sure what you are trying to say here, other than this parade or party in the street called mardigra is also shunned by huge amounts of people who do care about their children and themselves upon what they are exposed to upon this nations streets or within the nations schools and/or public places in which they may visit or participate in.
There are people or citizens whom think that this is also wrong for the nation to be agreeing with and/or to be doing such things out in the public that you are using as an example of here in order to enforce somehow your argument that is being made. It's truly a spectacle of pure debauchery at it's worse these types of things are, and yet they were once confined to certain borders or areas where one had to seek these things out instead of them seeking us out like they do now.
Now with that said, such events as these are drenched in sinfulness that many do regret if they had participated in them, and it is that they wished looking back that they had never participated in such events as they had done over the years gone by now.
These days or even in the days of old they were just plain wrong in most peoples minds, because they are over the top and corrupting to any and everything that moves. They need to be cleaned up instead of accepted as um-bridled & worse um-bordered or even worse than that enhanced to the point of having these types of exposures going way to far finally in society. It all probably has gone to far already upon leaving the boundaries in which they were once confined to, but the genie has been let out of the bottle now, and so all the good citizens of this nation can do is damage control or to separate and stay away from it all somehow, but that's getting harder and harder these days for people to do... This type of stuff was always taboo, and people are being ruined by these things anymore, and many are becoming tired of it all I think, so the shift from it might come soon, but I could be wrong yet I hope not...
ricechickie
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So....about the kids.
Kids have the right to a safe and secure home environment. Physical, mental, and emotional safety. Education is important, and parents are the first teachers of their children. Parents have the responsibility to educate in an age-appropriate way.
None of the above is impeded or enhanced by skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, or economic circumstances (except for the most extreme poverty).
Kids have the right to a safe and secure home environment. Physical, mental, and emotional safety. Education is important, and parents are the first teachers of their children. Parents have the responsibility to educate in an age-appropriate way.
None of the above is impeded or enhanced by skin color, sexual orientation, gender, religion, or economic circumstances (except for the most extreme poverty).
Rikurzhen
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Let's flip the situation but use the same methods these homosexual "researchers" use. Let's say that a "researcher" has sympathy for KKK members. He goes to a Klan meeting and puts out the word that he wants to show that KKK people raise great children. Well, the meth-head KKK guy isn't going to volunteer but the family doctor will. So you have all these rich, well educated people volunteering and the researcher goes out and conducts his psychological assessments and finds out that the kids are doing just fine being raised in the homes of rick KKK parents.
Then he compares to ordinary folks, people dealing with drug abuse problems in their homes, alcoholism, family violence, single parent homes, families from different racial groups, families from different cultural groups.
The researcher finds that KKK families do very well compared to the general public and then goes onto all the media and pushes that message, he politicizes the message.
The problem is that his study is garbage. He self-selected an elite group, rich well educated people who belong to the KKK. He didn't get a representative sample of all KKK members. Then he compared his rich, selective group to the general population.
That study would be as worthless as all those homosexual studies pushed by gay advocates. The Census studies bypass all of this bad study design. They look at EVERYONE.
ShackledNation
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So in other words you can't refute the study. That's what I thought.
elektra
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I will enjoy my night, thank you.
Ricechickie exposed ricechickie, you described heterosexual parents teachings as indoctrination, correct that if that is not what you meant.
Ricechickie also stated heterosexuals can not describe our intimacy with our wife to our children.
I will sleep good knowing all is quoted and saved so that those who read without posting, know the facts as well as the tactics of those who are homosexual activists.
The Icing on the Cake is when I asked a specific relevant question in which if anyone answered, would show their views contradictory to their position.
I am a sick ****, proven here, as ricechickie states, should sick - ****'s adopt 9 year old boys, and remember, I am gay, so as a gay sick ****, should I be allowed to adopt 9 year old boys?
Once again, a question put to ricechickie,
ShackledNation
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First, I will say I respect you for specifically addressing the study I mentioned. Thank you.
1. Researchers advocate their findings in all areas of science. If research reaches one conclusion, but others are assuming another conclusion is true, a research has every right to publicize their research and correct false assumptions.
2. The section you references was brief literature review. The study was referencing current research to date, criticizing the limits of other studies prior to it and then explaining how this study, although suffering from limitations like any other study, is better than the prior studies.
3. Convenience sampling is perfectly valid. It has it's drawbacks, but so do other methods of sampling. And the researchers were very honest about those intentions. However, as they noted, if systemic bias was at play "it would be anticipated that all outcome variables would demonstrate higher scores across the sample." This was not, in fact, the case.
4. The comparisons in the study control for those differences.
5. Before any interview participants must be consulted. That is done for ethical reasons, and was done for the heterosexual parents as well. Furthermore, there were two measures of the well-being of children in heterosexual relationships. The health of young Victorians survey was a paper survey. You are correct that the other was a phone survey, but comparing phone survey results and electronic/paper results is not invalid.
6. Age was also controlled for and data adjusted to account for differences. Furthermore, you are comparing median ages of the homosexual group to the age range of the heterosexual group. Those aren't even comparable values. The age range of the homosexual group was 0-17 years. The age range of the heterosexual group, as you pointed out, was either below 13 years or 5-18 years. The range is the same. I cannot find median data for both groups, but page 8 of the study lists the mean age. The heterosexual sample is less than 2 years older than the homosexual sample. Furthermore, age is controlled for regardless.
7. The 2009/2012 difference is simply not an issue whatsoever. There is a more valid point to make about 1997 data, at least potentially, but I don't see what problem that would create that invalidates anything.
8. The study pointed out this fact, controlled for it when comparing groups, and explained that often homosexual couples are better educated and wealthier simply because they have to invest more time and money into having children. It is more planned, in other words. But again, the educational and income differences were controlled for. This is typical for any study in the social science field.
9. The study measures child health and well-being. This includes social well being, with measures such as emotional behavior, mental health, self-esteem, conduct problems, hyperactivity, peer problems, among other variables. These measures are listed right in the study. Immunizations was a very, very minor point in the study.
As to your last bit, that is simply incorrect. In social science studies like this, factors such as age are factored out. The researchers were not comparing 4-year-olds to teenagers.
ShackledNation
Libertarian
The point is to expose the double standard. The "sinfulness" of the straight people I pictured is never used as a reason to deny all heterosexual couples the right to a marriage license and adoption. Yet when gay people show the same behavior, it is used to deny all gay couples the right to a marriage license and adoption.In case you are forgetting, Sil.
A mardigras parade
Clearly these people are trying to attract children to a sinful heterosexual lifestyle of premarital sex and teenage pregnancy. How dare you allow heterosexuals to get married and adopt children.
Not sure what you are trying to say here, other than this parade or party in the street called mardigra is also shunned by huge amounts of people who do care about their children and themselves upon what they are exposed to upon this nations streets or within the nations schools and/or public places in which they may visit or participate in.
There are people or citizens whom think that this is also wrong for the nation to be agreeing with and/or to be doing such things out in the public that you are using as an example of here in order to enforce somehow your argument that is being made. It's truly a spectacle of pure debauchery at it's worse these types of things are, and yet they were once confined to certain borders or areas where one had to seek these things out instead of them seeking us out like they do now.
Now with that said, such events as these are drenched in sinfulness that many do regret if they had participated in them, and it is that they wished looking back that they had never participated in such events as they had done over the years gone by now.
These days or even in the days of old they were just plain wrong in most peoples minds, because they are over the top and corrupting to any and everything that moves. They need to be cleaned up instead of accepted as um-bridled & worse um-bordered or even worse than that enhanced to the point of having these types of exposures going way to far finally in society. It all probably has gone to far already upon leaving the boundaries in which they were once confined to, but the genie has been let out of the bottle now, and so all the good citizens of this nation can do is damage control or to separate and stay away from it all somehow, but that's getting harder and harder these days for people to do... This type of stuff was always taboo, and people are being ruined by these things anymore, and many are becoming tired of it all I think, so the shift from it might come soon, but I could be wrong yet I hope not...
Pop23
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The point is to expose the double standard. The "sinfulness" of the straight people I pictured is never used as a reason to deny all heterosexual couples the right to a marriage license and adoption. Yet when gay people show the same behavior, it is used to deny all gay couples the right to a marriage license and adoption.In case you are forgetting, Sil.
A mardigras parade
Clearly these people are trying to attract children to a sinful heterosexual lifestyle of premarital sex and teenage pregnancy. How dare you allow heterosexuals to get married and adopt children.
Not sure what you are trying to say here, other than this parade or party in the street called mardigra is also shunned by huge amounts of people who do care about their children and themselves upon what they are exposed to upon this nations streets or within the nations schools and/or public places in which they may visit or participate in.
There are people or citizens whom think that this is also wrong for the nation to be agreeing with and/or to be doing such things out in the public that you are using as an example of here in order to enforce somehow your argument that is being made. It's truly a spectacle of pure debauchery at it's worse these types of things are, and yet they were once confined to certain borders or areas where one had to seek these things out instead of them seeking us out like they do now.
Now with that said, such events as these are drenched in sinfulness that many do regret if they had participated in them, and it is that they wished looking back that they had never participated in such events as they had done over the years gone by now.
These days or even in the days of old they were just plain wrong in most peoples minds, because they are over the top and corrupting to any and everything that moves. They need to be cleaned up instead of accepted as um-bridled & worse um-bordered or even worse than that enhanced to the point of having these types of exposures going way to far finally in society. It all probably has gone to far already upon leaving the boundaries in which they were once confined to, but the genie has been let out of the bottle now, and so all the good citizens of this nation can do is damage control or to separate and stay away from it all somehow, but that's getting harder and harder these days for people to do... This type of stuff was always taboo, and people are being ruined by these things anymore, and many are becoming tired of it all I think, so the shift from it might come soon, but I could be wrong yet I hope not...
Us sick people, those that couple together with a combination of everything required to create life?
Those sick people?
Remember, the world depends on those couplings.
True story folks
elektra
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The point is to expose the double standard. The "sinfulness" of the straight people I pictured is never used as a reason to deny all heterosexual couples the right to a marriage license and adoption. Yet when gay people show the same behavior, it is used to deny all gay couples the right to a marriage license and adoption.In case you are forgetting, Sil.
A mardigras parade
Clearly these people are trying to attract children to a sinful heterosexual lifestyle of premarital sex and teenage pregnancy. How dare you allow heterosexuals to get married and adopt children.
Not sure what you are trying to say here, other than this parade or party in the street called mardigra is also shunned by huge amounts of people who do care about their children and themselves upon what they are exposed to upon this nations streets or within the nations schools and/or public places in which they may visit or participate in.
There are people or citizens whom think that this is also wrong for the nation to be agreeing with and/or to be doing such things out in the public that you are using as an example of here in order to enforce somehow your argument that is being made. It's truly a spectacle of pure debauchery at it's worse these types of things are, and yet they were once confined to certain borders or areas where one had to seek these things out instead of them seeking us out like they do now.
Now with that said, such events as these are drenched in sinfulness that many do regret if they had participated in them, and it is that they wished looking back that they had never participated in such events as they had done over the years gone by now.
These days or even in the days of old they were just plain wrong in most peoples minds, because they are over the top and corrupting to any and everything that moves. They need to be cleaned up instead of accepted as um-bridled & worse um-bordered or even worse than that enhanced to the point of having these types of exposures going way to far finally in society. It all probably has gone to far already upon leaving the boundaries in which they were once confined to, but the genie has been let out of the bottle now, and so all the good citizens of this nation can do is damage control or to separate and stay away from it all somehow, but that's getting harder and harder these days for people to do... This type of stuff was always taboo, and people are being ruined by these things anymore, and many are becoming tired of it all I think, so the shift from it might come soon, but I could be wrong yet I hope not...
Homosexuals are adopting, the contention that all Homosexuals are denied adoption is a lie.The point is to expose the double standard. The "sinfulness" of the straight people I pictured is never used as a reason to deny all heterosexual couples the right to a marriage license and adoption. Yet when gay people show the same behavior, it is used to deny all gay couples the right to a marriage license and adoption.In case you are forgetting, Sil.
A mardigras parade
Clearly these people are trying to attract children to a sinful heterosexual lifestyle of premarital sex and teenage pregnancy. How dare you allow heterosexuals to get married and adopt children.
Not sure what you are trying to say here, other than this parade or party in the street called mardigra is also shunned by huge amounts of people who do care about their children and themselves upon what they are exposed to upon this nations streets or within the nations schools and/or public places in which they may visit or participate in.
There are people or citizens whom think that this is also wrong for the nation to be agreeing with and/or to be doing such things out in the public that you are using as an example of here in order to enforce somehow your argument that is being made. It's truly a spectacle of pure debauchery at it's worse these types of things are, and yet they were once confined to certain borders or areas where one had to seek these things out instead of them seeking us out like they do now.
Now with that said, such events as these are drenched in sinfulness that many do regret if they had participated in them, and it is that they wished looking back that they had never participated in such events as they had done over the years gone by now.
These days or even in the days of old they were just plain wrong in most peoples minds, because they are over the top and corrupting to any and everything that moves. They need to be cleaned up instead of accepted as um-bridled & worse um-bordered or even worse than that enhanced to the point of having these types of exposures going way to far finally in society. It all probably has gone to far already upon leaving the boundaries in which they were once confined to, but the genie has been let out of the bottle now, and so all the good citizens of this nation can do is damage control or to separate and stay away from it all somehow, but that's getting harder and harder these days for people to do... This type of stuff was always taboo, and people are being ruined by these things anymore, and many are becoming tired of it all I think, so the shift from it might come soon, but I could be wrong yet I hope not...
Did you just state both as, rights?
Rikurzhen
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No, they do not. They let the science speak on their behalf. They do not engage in public policy debates. That's considered bad form.
When you control for the differences the sample size drops significantly. When 79% of male homosexuals live in households with $100,000 family income, then of the 89 male homosexuals in this study, only 19 lived in households with less than $100,000 family income. Having only 19 households severely limits the ability to tease out what is happening.
It was not. There were no heterosexual parents interviewed at all. The heterosexual control group was represented by old data from two studies dealing with other topics, one from 1997 and the other from 2009. This homosexual study was conducted in 2012. Until we invent time machines, what you say didn't happen.
You change the nature of the sample audience when you present two ways of taking a survey. The paper based survey respondents can fill out the survey at their leisure, they can think about each question, they can fill out the survey over many days/evenings and most importantly they can develop an overview of the entire survey before the respond to the first question, thus enabling them to tailor their response to what they deduce about the survey. A telephone respondent has to answer the survey in one sitting, has to answer each question as it is presented to him and doesn't get to deduce the nature of the survey by reviewing it in its entirety before he commences with they survey.
This is a gross violation of good study design. It's damn atrocious.
Why not use data from the 1950s then?
I take it that you have a surface understanding of social science methods, that you understand what it means to control, but your knowledge doesn't go much beyond the surface. Am I right? The limitations which arise from a small sample size and how controlling for various confounds reduces the samples size of the group under study.
Immunization are an objective metric, well being is a subjective metric dependent on the testing instrument used and the testing instrument can embody bias and when a biased researcher sets out to create a study which support his desired conclusion he can find instruments which will bias the results in his chosen direction. Secondly, and most importantly, when the median age of children being parented by male homosexuals is 2, then the effects of parenting haven't had much time to develop. This study tells us NOTHING about teen outcomes nor adult outcomes yet this researcher is out in the media implying just that. Median age of 2. Goodness gracious, that's astounding.
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