Zone1 Are Catholics not also Christians?

[BackAgain]

Mormonism categorizes itself within Christianity, and nearly all Mormons self-identify as Christian. For some who define Christianity within the doctrines of Catholicism, Eastern and Oriental Orthodoxy, the Churches of the East, and Protestantism, Mormonism's differences place it outside the umbrella of Christianity.

Yep. All a matter of definition.

But as I see it, where one professes that Jesus Christ was the Messiah and both the Son of God the Father and God in his own right, that person (by a standard definition) is a “Christian.”

 

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Yep. All a matter of definition.

But as I see it, where one professes that Jesus Christ was the Messiah and both the Son of God the Father and God in his own right, that person (by a standard definition) is a “Christian.”

The primary theological difference between LDS (Latter-day Saints) and mainstream Christianity lies in the understanding of the Godhead and the nature of God. LDS theology rejects the Trinity, viewing God the Father, Jesus Christ, and the Holy Spirit as distinct, separate beings, while Christian theology generally affirms the Trinity as one God in three co-equal persons. Additionally, LDS theology emphasizes the pre-mortal existence of humans, their potential to become gods, and the importance of obedience to ordinances for exaltation.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

Weren't we given free will? Were you expecting everyone to believe the same thing?

As for the bible, if you read it such that you think it is promoting violence, then you are reading it wrong.

I am not Sure Two seed Baptists believe that.

 

[PeterPilot]

Weren't we given free will? Were you expecting everyone to believe the same thing?

As for the bible, if you read it such that you think it is promoting violence, then you are reading it wrong.

It turns out that humans acting as a herd DO pretty much believe the same thing, and that they react by emotions and not by reason. That was recently demonstrated with the Scamdemic--about 2 out of 3 in the US took the shot for a disease with a greater than 99% survival rate. That was emotions driving the herd, not reason.

As the old saying goes, when everybody is thinking the same way, nobody is thinking at all.

If you update your knowledge of the old testament by reading Deut 7 & 20, and perhaps Genesis 15 you will discover that violence and murder and plunder is very strongly encouraged by "The Lord", whoever on earth that might be. Inform yourself sir. The Old Testament certainly promotes violence in certain parts.

After Jesus, the New Testament mostly promotes love and tolerance. What's happening in Gaza in the name of religion is violence and mayhem.

 

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It turns out that humans acting as a herd DO pretty much believe the same thing, and that they react by emotions and not by reason. That was recently demonstrated with the Scamdemic--about 2 out of 3 in the US took the shot for a disease with a greater than 99% survival rate. That was emotions driving the herd, not reason.

As the old saying goes, when everybody is thinking the same way, nobody is thinking at all.

If you update your knowledge of the old testament by reading Deut 7 & 20, and perhaps Genesis 15 you will discover that violence and murder and plunder is very strongly encouraged by "The Lord", whoever on earth that might be. Inform yourself sir. The Old Testament certainly promotes violence in certain parts.

After Jesus, the New Testament mostly promotes love and tolerance. What's happening in Gaza in the name of religion is violence and mayhem.

God didn't write Deut 7 & 20, or Genesis 15. Men did.

 

[PeterPilot]

God didn't write Deut 7 & 20, or Genesis 15. Men did.

That is my point sir. And one of the most toxic versions was written by Scofield a century ago, commanded and paid by Zionists.

 

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That is my point sir. And one of the most toxic versions was written by Scofield a century ago, commanded and paid by Zionists.

What does that have to do with deciphering the author's descriptive portrayal of reality? Scofield had absolutely nothing to do with what the authors were saying. He can have any interpretation he likes. That won't change what the authors were actually conveying with their narratives.

If you think the point the authors were trying to convey in these accounts is that God is cruel, unjust and condones violence, then you are missing the intent of the narrative. You have made something that wasn't central to the account, the most central thing of the account.

For instance the Tower of Babel isn't about a petty God halting progress of man, it was an allegorical account of the great migration away from Mesopotamia. The central point of that account is the historical migration away from the cradle of civilization.

 

[GMCGeneral]

The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints is a Christian religion, of course.

The hint is in their name.

Actually. No. Joseph and Hiram Smith founded Mormonism just as Charles Taze Russell founded the Watchtower Society. Both are PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN cults that deny the very deity and bodily resurrection of Christ.

 

[BackAgain]

Actually. No. Joseph and Hiram Smith founded Mormonism just as Charles Taze Russell founded the Watchtower Society. Both are PSEUDO-CHRISTIAN cults that deny the very deity and bodily resurrection of Christ.

Nobody asked who founded it.

The question is whether it is a Christian religion.

It is.

 

[GMCGeneral]

Nobody asked who founded it.

The question is whether it is a Christian religion.

It is.

Uhh, no it isn't. I am somewhat well versed in countercult apologetics. Mormons deny that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, they rely on a works based salvation, deny the Triune God head, and much more that 1ualify them as a pseudo Christian cult.

 

[rstrats]

If Mormons and Catholics can be Christians, then Trump can be an American.

And if Mormons and Catholics can't be Christians, Trump is still an American.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

And if Mormons and Catholics can't be Christians, Trump is still an American.

Not really.

 

[TNHarley]

They are more like Romeians.

 

[Unkotare]

often i read things like ....Chritians and Catholics

but is Christian not a cover all term for Protestans and Catholicsvalice?is

"Catholic" means universal.

 

[BreezeWood]

"Catholic" means universal.

does that "mean" the 4th century christian bible - state religion of the roman empire.

is what jesus taught, liberation theology, self determination as meaningful as their 10000 page document or the religion of antiquity the heavenly goal required for judgement that are not included in their bible that does include judaism ...

rather not the judaism message of servitude and denial - as the true 1st century events of liberation and self determination.

 

[Mr Natural]

We were taught back in catechism many years ago that the Catholics were the only true Christians and the rest were all fake, and we were warned to stay out of their churches

 

[BackAgain]

Uhh, no it isn't. I am somewhat well versed in countercult apologetics. Mormons deny that Jesus is God manifest in the flesh, they rely on a works based salvation, deny the Triune God head, and much more that 1ualify them as a pseudo Christian cult.

Wrong. It is unquestionably a Christian religion. There is no other way to put it.

 

[John Edgar Slow Horses]

We were taught back in catechism many years ago that the Catholics were the only true Christians and the rest were all fake, and we were warned to stay out of their churches

I think (but don't know for a fact) that the Mormons were like this in the 1970s and 1980s.

Who can tell us?

 

[Mr Natural]

I think (but don't know for a fact) that the Mormons were like this in the 1970s and 1980s.

Who can tell us?

All religions think they’re the only one.

It’s part of what makes them so ridiculous.