Are Blacks More Racist Than Whites? Most Americans Say Yes

[MizMolly]

I believe that there is such a thing as residual effect on the future because of the past.

No, at some point the babying of any group of people by the generation's that have way since moved on must soon end. It's really embarrassing that a group of people think that they should be treated in a special way at this point in time in our history. At some point the choices people make be it within their culture, finances, lifestyles etc have got to be made freely by those people themselves, and the consequences of their actions must be accounted for in connection to the choices they (the makers of such choices), have since made for themselves and not be blamed on anyone else. The blame game must end.

The governments handling of the history between the blacks and the whites has been flawed big time, and corrections stand to be made in it all.

Depending on how one interprets history

The "shit" that you talk, is your one sided view of what truth is, which makes it "shit". And most of the "shit" that you talk is far from truth.

Case in point:
Why would you insist that I'm a liberal? You have no idea how I vote or who's political views I agree or disagree with. So if you label people, you may get labled as well. Thats how it is here.

There is no argument to lose here. This is a RACE RELATIONS forum, and at some point, everyone who posts here gets called a racist.....by a complete stranger.


If you cannot understand the simplicity of that, then you really are a bigger tool than you appear to be.

Nothing insulting about, it's strictly an opinion and observation of how someone perceives how you reason....or fail to.

The fact that this is the RACE RELATIONS forum, does not justify calling some one a racist.



Calling someone a racist, should be reserved for people who state racist beliefs.




Your friend, in her attempt to support her calling me a racist, cited that I did not answer a question, buried in a large post of hers.


That was her supporting evidence for calling me a vile name.


That is bullshit. And that is what you are defending.


You lose.

There is nothing for me to "lose" here. It's an anonymous forum, frequented by a majority of people like YOU that I am elated to NOT KNOW personally.

Sure there is. You made an argument that your friend was justified in calling me a vile insult for no reason.


You lost that argument. You lose.


That this is an anonymous forum, doesn't change that. That it won't change your life, doesn't change that.


Nothing about my statement implies real significant harm to you.


Yet, you took a stupid stance, and you lost.

In a few cases, there are some here who make sense.

Your warped perception of what is "vile" versus what is not, in a setting like this is childish and resembles the logic of a 10 year old, who failed the 5th grade.

In our society, "racist" is a very serious insult. Careers, lives are ruined by being labeled as such, whether the accusation is true or not.


To deny that it is a vile insult, is absurd.

It is an indisputable fact that in a forum called "Race Relations" even the most benign and innocuous individual will at some point in time be referred to as a "Racist".

Only because assholes like to call people names. Nothing I have said in this thread justifies calling me such a name, and I have demonstrated that, by challenging your friend to back it up, and her utter failure to do so.

You are quick on the trigger to accuse others of "race baiting" and in turn have no moral compass regarding some of what you have stated.

I am quick to call people on race baiting. It is a real problem in our society, and assholes who do it, need to be called on their shit.


My morals are fine.

And when you do get called out, you throw a whiny ***** tantrum.

ANd that's just an ass trying to minimizing my proper response to asses being asses.


Your lie is rejected.

If you can't understand that, and accept that by visiting this forum you WILL be subject to what everyone else here experiences, you're a damn fool.

I'm well aware that the world if full of lefty race baiting assholes, and I enjoy that on this site I get to call them on their bullshit.

You are not unique or above anyone else who posts here.

My arguments stand on their own merits or don't. That you feel a need to attack me personally, shows that my arguments are such that you cannot refute them.

But you appear to believe that you are.

Nope. Nothing I have said supports that stupid claim.

That makes you delusional.

Said the man that thinks that not answering a question is reason to call someone racist.

I get called racist. Nowhere have I even hinted that I am, because I am not.

Ive been called the same, but Ive never implied that any race is superior to another.

Neither have I.

 

[katsteve2012]

Language of Closet Racism

Language of Closet Racism: An Illustration
by Paul Gorski

Any person who has grown up in the American public school system has been educated to hold racial prejudices. To illustrate this point, ask any child to tell you about the first date in history he or she remembers learning: "In 1492 Columbus sailed the ocean blue." What happened in 1492? "Christopher Columbus discovered America." Did he? The history books I prefer to read have informed me that people were actually already here. Remember, the people who would eventually be driven from their sacred lands, forced to surrender their native tongue and customs, and "American-ize"? The result of children learning such "facts" is a depreciation of an entire people--in this case, Native Americans.

So the American education system (with strong reinforcement from the media) has bred a nation of what I will call "closet racists." Closet racists are unaware of their prejudices. They have learned from text books presented to them by people who are supposedly knowledgeable enough to choose the best possible materials. They are trained, or more precisely, coerced into believing in "the system." If a child were to question a teacher's assertion that "Columbus discovered America," it is more likely that the child would be chastised for showing disrespect than the possibility of the teacher initiating a discussion on the discrepancy. A closet racist is defined, then, as simply a person with racial prejudices who is unaware of those prejudices as such, usually because he or she has never been afforded the opportunity to discuss racial prejudices as such.

The question arising from this assertion is clear: Where is the evidence of this nation of so-called "closet racists?" What links them? What are their characteristics?

The answer, emerging from years of experience facilitating conversations on race issues, interviewing specific cases, and participating in a variety of cultural diversity workshops, is equally clear: language. Closet racists share a distinct and surprisingly easily detectable language when observed in a discussion about race or racism. The intention of this paper is to explore this language through the case study of Jen, a third year college student who participated in Multicultural Education, a class designed to help students find, face, and battle their own prejudices. In order to analyze Jen's closet racist language, interviews were conducted and reaction papers written at the end of each class were collected and analyzed.

Based loosely on research conducted for a Master's Thesis completed four months ago, though more focused, this paper will refer to data, analysis, and conclusions from that thesis. The lack of citations from other scholarly sources reflects the lack of material available concerning the language of race issues and unaware racists.

Who Are Closet Racists?

Though everyone who has experienced the American education system is in some degree a closet racist, certain people, and indeed, certain groups, tend to portray the characteristics more than others. At the most basic level, people who have experienced consistent racial discrimination tend to be less assignable the label of closet racist. Such people have, through their personal experiences with discrimination, been afforded opportunities to discuss race issues. As Kim, an African-American student in a Multicultural Education class during Spring semester, 1995 explained,

I live these issues every day. I can't escape them anywhere: stores, classes, the gym. Three, four, five things happen everyday to remind me that, no matter what white people believe, there is still a ton of prejudice out there. It reminds me to think about the things I do and say, and the prejudices I have.

In short, closet racism is a continuum. Those with the least exposure to racial issues fall toward the high end. Experience suggests that those falling on this end are usually "white," or "European-Americans," while "African-Americans" fall toward the low end. So-called "middle-man minorities" tend to be spread between the extremes.

Jen, a white woman, was chosen for the case study because her sheltered home-life and general unaware-ness of race issues have served as catalysts in her formation as a high-end closet racist. An admittedly extreme case, and for that reason purposively chosen, Jen illustrates clearly the language patterns of a closet racist.

The Three Strands of the Language of Closet Racism

Three language indicators of closet racism are evident across the continuum. These are what I refer to as "strands" because, when woven together, they form the language web of closet racists. Again, strength of language and degree of racist attitudes change dramatically across the continuum, and as a result, these strands, or indicators are more readily observable in certain individuals and groups than in others. They include fear, unaware-ness, and dis-ownership.

Consider the following excerpt taken from Jen's reaction paper from the first class meeting of Multicultural Education:

The idea of political correctness with the black race astounds me. I found it extremely interesting that some blacks in our class prefer to be called African American. In all of my classes...I have felt like I was stepping on egg shells as to not offend the blacks in my class. I am honestly glad it is not that big of an issue to my fellow classmates--it promotes a more comfortable, genuine environment for me to be totally honest and carefree.

Jen reflected each strand of the language of closet racism within this short passage. These strands can be un-woven as follows:

1. fear: "I have felt like I was stepping on egg shells as to not offend blacks in my classes..."
2. unaware-ness: "I found it extremely interesting that some blacks in our class prefer to be called African American."
3. dis-ownership: "I am honestly glad it is not that big of an issue to my fellow classmates."

Some would argue that Jen's statements as pulled apart above are arbitrary, or taken out of context. But as we consider a year's worth of interviews and written reactions, and as we discuss each strand separately, a language pattern--the language of a closet racist--undeniably emerges.

Fear

We consider fear first, because it is, on the surface, the most surprising strand to find in the language. If closet racists do not consider themselves racists, then why would they show fear in discussing race issues? In the most simple terms, closet racists do not want other people to consider them racist, either. This is why white people developed "political correctness." The idea was to develop a system in which everyone knew what to say in order to allow everyone to avoid, as Jen mentioned, "walking on egg shells."

Fear also becomes the catalyst for many closet racists' decisions on what information to offer (and likewise, what not to offer) during a discussion of race issues. As Jen explained in her second reaction paper:

I was apprehensive to tell my group that my prejudice experience was within my family. I thought they would think that because my grandfather and father were racist, that I am as well--I thought they would dislike me.

She tended to elevate this apprehensive-ness during interviews, sometimes to the point of censoring herself. In one particular case, as she discussed the racial make-up of her hometown, her fear emerged quite blatantly:

...and where I'm from there were two different types of black...there were...I don't want to say this. Is it all right if I say this?...

Her fear was clear, especially as she continued, deciding, in fact, to "say this":

Blacks and *******, that's how it was defined where I'm from. There were no ******* at my school, they were all black, no *******. The ******* were at [James Monroe], and that's just how it was, and we knew that.

Jen feared being labeled a racist. Again, it is important to note that she did not consider herself a racist, which leads us to the second strand or indicator: unaware-ness.

Unaware-ness

Closet racists are unaware on several levels, illustrations for which can be found in language patterns. On the first level, as emphasized above, they are unaware of racial issues as racial issues. (How many white people insisted that race was never an "issue" in the O.J. Simpson trial?) Illustrating this point, Jen, in her first interview suggested that at her high school, "there was not any sort of black/white issues or anything like that." She made this statement minutes before offering her story about the "two different types of black." In between the two statements she related stories of "some Ku Klux Klan there," "crosses burning, and stuff like that." But nonetheless, just as she did not label herself as a racist, she was unaware that the very issues she discussed were very racial in nature, and as such she did not label those issues in terms of race, either.

On another level, Jen failed to see the racial prejudice as such in the language of others. For example, she defended her grandmother: "...my grandmother on my Mom's side is not prejudice..." But as she continued, Jen, in her unawareness, all but labeled her grandmother a racist:

...but she refers to black people as 'colored.' Like when we have a Christmas party every year and Mark, a guy who lives around the corner from me, came to the party...and was the only black person there and she was like...'Who was that colored boy there?' She doesn't refer to him as 'Mark,' always 'that colored boy.'

On a third level, while Jen could sometimes point out racial prejudice in other places, she was quick to distance herself from that prejudice, as if she was somehow shielded from its permeation. In this sense, Jen was unaware of racism as it exists at the institutional level. Like many closet racists, Jen believed that racism could be found "here, there, and there," but that, in the correct circumstances, racism could be completely avoided. Again, this naivete could be recognized in her language, as in the following passage in which she compared her high school to the "other public high school" in her hometown:

James Monroe was a predominantly black school, and the only white people that did go to school there were wealthy, and so there was like the wealthy and then there was African- Americans. There was a huge line between them, but there wasn't anything like that where I was.

This passage leads directly into the third strand of the language of closet racism.

Dis-ownership

Closet racists tend to avoid owning their views on race. They often point to other groups, using terms such as "they," or "those people," instead of refering to themselves. In the previous passage, Jen clearly utilized the language of dis-ownership, thus assessing blame to others. "There was a huge line between them.." "I thought they would dislike me."

Closet racists, in avoiding using "I" and "me" statements in discussions of race issues avoid accepting the responsibility for their perspectives, and in many cases, prejudices. Recent articles in the Cavalier Daily about so-called self-segragation at the University of Virginia have been drowned in this language. White columnists posed questions such as "Why do the African-American students sit together at lunch, congregate at the 'black bus stop,'" etc? "Why do they have organizations like the Black Student Alliance?" In shifting the responsibility to "the African-American students," the columnists dodged the intimidating possibility of accepting equal responsibility for the separation.

The Result of Closet Racism

As is most clearly illustrated by the dis-ownership strand of the language of closet racism, closet racists will observe other groups segragating themselves, and suddenly race becomes an issue. But, for example, white students fail to notice that white students do not approach tables filled with African-American students during lunch. And white students clearly have congregation spots (i.e. Rugby Road).

The attractiveness--even if it exists at a subconscious level--of closet racism to those who retain it is that if one never labels himself or herself a racist, then (s)he is free from the obligation of doing something about it. For Jen and many others, closet racism becomes routine, easy, and comfortable. With blinders on their eyes, and the shield of manipulated language in their repertoire, closet racists can live a full life never confronting their own prejudices.

In fact, if the assertion holds up that white people tend to be toward the high end of the closet racist continuum, then the result of closet racism is clear. The phenomenon of closet racism is yet another catalyst in the cycle of discrimination experienced by racial minorities in America since the conception of this nation. Only individuals have the power to change themselves. In the socio-political structure in this country, it stands to reason that those in power will at all costs attempt to retain that power. In "coming out of the closet," labeling their prejudices as such, owning those prejudices, thus placing on their shoulders the responsibility to address those prejudices, those in power fear the loss of their comfortable seat atop the nations's socio-political hierarchy. The status quo is maintained.

So how, then, is the study of the language of closet racism useful? Sometimes people I've labeled as closet racists want to change themselves. Jen was one such person. The study of the language she used when discussing race (and other multicultural) issues, and how this language changed, helped me understand the stages she experienced on her trek toward race awareness and appreciation.

Valuable further study concerning the language of closet racism would include the metamorphosis of the language as an individual becomes more aware, thus working toward the lower end of the closet racism continuum. Also, further study is necessary in addressing the meshing of the strands, and the meanings that derive from such meshing.
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Children in school were not educated to hold racial prejudices. They learned about Christopher Columbus, that did not put anything racial into their (our) minds.

Actually they did. I was bussed to a predominately white middle school in the 60"s and encountered everything from apathetic, racist teachers, who assumed that I was inferior, in spite of being an advanced honor society student at my previous school.

To white boys in gym class who were actually taught that black people had tails.

This thing is, knowing your ABCs by your senior year was not that great of an achievement even in the 1960s.

I agree. Was that the case with you?

You didn't you know your ABCs before your senior year and I hadn't learned how to properly kiss your ass in order to hold my own opinion was equal how?

Why would I expect you to kiss my ass? Thankfully, I don't even know you

Nor do you have a clue what I knew by my senior year.

Whats your problem? Besides the obvious?

 

[IM2]

Unlike yourself, I have not made a religion out of race. I don't have the time nor the inclination to become an absolute authority on the subject, but smarter men than you and I have already debated this. When the people at Harvard University broached the subject, they said what many others don't. And they saw the problem I face in their opening paragraphs:

Why do you think I'm here? And it's not to 'make a religion out of race'.

The reason you keep getting the push back that you do is because you all for some reason are unable to 'hear' what we have been stating. This has never been a competition of who has suffered more or that whites haven't suffered too in various ways. It's not about individuals, it's about the white and black races as a whole. If we can't answer the basic question we're never going to get to the actual race relation issues, but I've begun suspecting that the other side is only here to do damage, not work on improving race relations.

Admit or Deny:
The white race considered themselves to be superior to the black race

Admit or Deny:
There exists historical documents in which white racists verbalize their belief of racial superiority and the inferiority of the black race

Admit or Deny:
There exists a Supreme Court ruling in which the justice stated that the black man has no rights which a white man need respect

Admit or Deny:
There existed specific laws for the purpose of limiting or restricting the rights of people of African descent, also known as Jim Crow laws or Black Codes

Admit or Deny:
There exists legislative, court or other history documents in which the black race has declared their belief in racial superiority over the white race

Admit or Deny:
There exists specific laws for the purpose of limiting or restricting the rights of white Americans while granting additional rights to blacks

Admit or Deny:
There exists a Supreme Court Ruling in which a justice rules that the white man is so far below the black man that he has no rights of which need be respected

and so on and so forth.

These are historical, in the past

Yes and they are historically irrelevant... considering the fact that blacks started the slave trade and we are not talking about holding them accountable.

Oddly, black people don't care about the racist countries of the world with North Korea at 98 + percent one people, China is 98 + percent Han Chinese, Japanese (which calls itself the most racist nation on earth with about 97 percent or so Japanese. No way. How about Zimbabwe with 99.7 percent black?

The black extremists make much ado about Freedom, but in reality they hate the concept. They've made that clear to me.

.
Definition of extremism

1 : the quality or state of being extreme

2 : advocacy of extreme measures or views : radicalism

So now it is become extreme to oppose the racism of whites.

We are in here with a bunch of foaming at the mouth mind added white racist lunatics.

 

[Humorme]

Children in school were not educated to hold racial prejudices. They learned about Christopher Columbus, that did not put anything racial into their (our) minds.

Actually they did. I was bussed to a predominately white middle school in the 60"s and encountered everything from apathetic, racist teachers, who assumed that I was inferior, in spite of being an advanced honor society student at my previous school.

To white boys in gym class who were actually taught that black people had tails.

This thing is, knowing your ABCs by your senior year was not that great of an achievement even in the 1960s.

I agree. Was that the case with you?

You didn't you know your ABCs before your senior year and I hadn't learned how to properly kiss your ass in order to hold my own opinion was equal how?

Why would I expect you to kiss my ass? Thankfully, I don't even know you

Nor do you have a clue what I knew by my senior year.

Whats your problem? Besides the obvious?

My problem here is that we cannot have a civil conversation. It's all about some folks laying out a mandate that one must sign onto in order to address a group of people that don't have the decency, courage, and moral capacity to disavow those among their own race that treat whites the way black extremists claim they're being treated.

 

[Humorme]

Unlike yourself, I have not made a religion out of race. I don't have the time nor the inclination to become an absolute authority on the subject, but smarter men than you and I have already debated this. When the people at Harvard University broached the subject, they said what many others don't. And they saw the problem I face in their opening paragraphs:

Why do you think I'm here? And it's not to 'make a religion out of race'.

The reason you keep getting the push back that you do is because you all for some reason are unable to 'hear' what we have been stating. This has never been a competition of who has suffered more or that whites haven't suffered too in various ways. It's not about individuals, it's about the white and black races as a whole. If we can't answer the basic question we're never going to get to the actual race relation issues, but I've begun suspecting that the other side is only here to do damage, not work on improving race relations.

Admit or Deny:
The white race considered themselves to be superior to the black race

Admit or Deny:
There exists historical documents in which white racists verbalize their belief of racial superiority and the inferiority of the black race

Admit or Deny:
There exists a Supreme Court ruling in which the justice stated that the black man has no rights which a white man need respect

Admit or Deny:
There existed specific laws for the purpose of limiting or restricting the rights of people of African descent, also known as Jim Crow laws or Black Codes

Admit or Deny:
There exists legislative, court or other history documents in which the black race has declared their belief in racial superiority over the white race

Admit or Deny:
There exists specific laws for the purpose of limiting or restricting the rights of white Americans while granting additional rights to blacks

Admit or Deny:
There exists a Supreme Court Ruling in which a justice rules that the white man is so far below the black man that he has no rights of which need be respected

and so on and so forth.

These are historical, in the past

Yes and they are historically irrelevant... considering the fact that blacks started the slave trade and we are not talking about holding them accountable.

Oddly, black people don't care about the racist countries of the world with North Korea at 98 + percent one people, China is 98 + percent Han Chinese, Japanese (which calls itself the most racist nation on earth with about 97 percent or so Japanese. No way. How about Zimbabwe with 99.7 percent black?

The black extremists make much ado about Freedom, but in reality they hate the concept. They've made that clear to me.

.
Definition of extremism

1 : the quality or state of being extreme

2 : advocacy of extreme measures or views : radicalism

So now it is become extreme to oppose the racism of whites.

We are in here with a bunch of foaming at the mouth mind added white racist lunatics.

The problem is, you are projecting.

I came here FIRST, challenging you and those like you, to disavow a racist that attacked me on a thread while admitting that "I stopped reading at..." So, bottom line, he attacks me while admitting he didn't read the freaking post!

YOU and your entourage that think you have the Internet sown up and can keep whites out by tolerating that kind of hatred and ignorance fulfill the very definition you posted.

I'm not allowed to be in the conversation until I stipulate, up front, to many things that, if I agreed, we'd all be wrong about. WTF? You have a problem with the First Amendment? It's not worth the paper it's printed on when you have extremists that do not allow for an equal exchange of ideas, thoughts, and opinions.

 

[IM2]

Molly doesn't seem to understand why she's been called a racist. In her mind she's has never made a racist commemt.

.]
You would think using the "N" word amongst themselves would be nothing but a reason to incite anger with white people, why use a word you hate to be called by white people, unless it is to start shit?

These ae just 2..
.

 

[Humorme]

Molly doesn't seem to understand why she's been called a racist. In her mind she's has never made a racist commemt.

.]
You would think using the "N" word amongst themselves would be nothing but a reason to incite anger with white people, why use a word you hate to be called by white people, unless it is to start shit?

These ae just 2..
.

You call people racists (as I've pointed out before.) You just dance around the subject and let others hint at it while you second their sentiment. You're part of that group people call the KIan with a tan.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

To white boys in gym class who were actually taught that black people had tails.

You know this reminds me of some of my college classmates who were from Nigeria. Some of the white guys actually would make mocking statements about them living among the zebras and such never realizing how all that they were doing was putting their own ignorance on full display for everyone to see.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

I'm not allowed to be in the conversation until I stipulate, up front, to many things that, if I agreed, we'd all be wrong about.

Why is it so difficult to admit the U.S. of A. has racists origins? It's not like it's a secret or anything.

 

[katsteve2012]

Actually they did. I was bussed to a predominately white middle school in the 60"s and encountered everything from apathetic, racist teachers, who assumed that I was inferior, in spite of being an advanced honor society student at my previous school.

To white boys in gym class who were actually taught that black people had tails.

This thing is, knowing your ABCs by your senior year was not that great of an achievement even in the 1960s.

I agree. Was that the case with you?

You didn't you know your ABCs before your senior year and I hadn't learned how to properly kiss your ass in order to hold my own opinion was equal how?

Why would I expect you to kiss my ass? Thankfully, I don't even know you

Nor do you have a clue what I knew by my senior year.

Whats your problem? Besides the obvious?

My problem here is that we cannot have a civil conversation. It's all about some folks laying out a mandate that one must sign onto in order to address a group of people that don't have the decency, courage, and moral capacity to disavow those among their own race that treat whites the way black extremists claim they're being treated.

Well, here is my take on that "observation". The vast majority of people will be civil in return, if addressed in a civil manner.

Whatever your definition of "extreme" is, you have not really presented it in clearly expressed manner.

You continually bring up "black extremists" and how you want other blacks here to "disavow" them, and then when you don't see them jump to attention and heed your wishes(whatever they are) immediately, then you categorize ALL blacks as being exactly the same.

It is incumbent on you, if you really want "civil dialogue" to be objective enough to use your own filter to determine who fits into your ubiquitous category of "extreme", and who does not.

JMO

 

[katsteve2012]

To white boys in gym class who were actually taught that black people had tails.

You know this reminds me of some of my college classmates who were from Nigeria. Some of the white guys actually would make mocking statements about them living among the zebras and such never realizing how all that they were doing was putting their own ignorance on full display for everyone to see.

I was on an amatuer boxing team after school, so I steered clear of most of them, and no one bothered me. But there were a few other black kids there who were picked on and their lives were miserable.

The school administrators turned a blind eye to it until one day in my second year there, one of the kids had enough and took one of grandfathers handguns to school and pulled it on two white boys that had been bullying him.

Needless to say he was expelled and got sent up for it.

After rhat incident, all 50 or so of the black students there began to hang together in groups, and never left one alone by themselves.

 

[katsteve2012]

Unlike yourself, I have not made a religion out of race. I don't have the time nor the inclination to become an absolute authority on the subject, but smarter men than you and I have already debated this. When the people at Harvard University broached the subject, they said what many others don't. And they saw the problem I face in their opening paragraphs:

Why do you think I'm here? And it's not to 'make a religion out of race'.

The reason you keep getting the push back that you do is because you all for some reason are unable to 'hear' what we have been stating. This has never been a competition of who has suffered more or that whites haven't suffered too in various ways. It's not about individuals, it's about the white and black races as a whole. If we can't answer the basic question we're never going to get to the actual race relation issues, but I've begun suspecting that the other side is only here to do damage, not work on improving race relations.

Admit or Deny:
The white race considered themselves to be superior to the black race

Admit or Deny:
There exists historical documents in which white racists verbalize their belief of racial superiority and the inferiority of the black race

Admit or Deny:
There exists a Supreme Court ruling in which the justice stated that the black man has no rights which a white man need respect

Admit or Deny:
There existed specific laws for the purpose of limiting or restricting the rights of people of African descent, also known as Jim Crow laws or Black Codes

Admit or Deny:
There exists legislative, court or other history documents in which the black race has declared their belief in racial superiority over the white race

Admit or Deny:
There exists specific laws for the purpose of limiting or restricting the rights of white Americans while granting additional rights to blacks

Admit or Deny:
There exists a Supreme Court Ruling in which a justice rules that the white man is so far below the black man that he has no rights of which need be respected

and so on and so forth.

These are historical, in the past

Yes and they are historically irrelevant... considering the fact that blacks started the slave trade and we are not talking about holding them accountable.

Oddly, black people don't care about the racist countries of the world with North Korea at 98 + percent one people, China is 98 + percent Han Chinese, Japanese (which calls itself the most racist nation on earth with about 97 percent or so Japanese. No way. How about Zimbabwe with 99.7 percent black?

The black extremists make much ado about Freedom, but in reality they hate the concept. They've made that clear to me.

.
Definition of extremism

1 : the quality or state of being extreme

2 : advocacy of extreme measures or views : radicalism

So now it is become extreme to oppose the racism of whites.

We are in here with a bunch of foaming at the mouth mind added white racist lunatics.

The problem is, you are projecting.

I came here FIRST, challenging you and those like you, to disavow a racist that attacked me on a thread while admitting that "I stopped reading at..." So, bottom line, he attacks me while admitting he didn't read the freaking post!

YOU and your entourage that think you have the Internet sown up and can keep whites out by tolerating that kind of hatred and ignorance fulfill the very definition you posted.

I'm not allowed to be in the conversation until I stipulate, up front, to many things that, if I agreed, we'd all be wrong about. WTF? You have a problem with the First Amendment? It's not worth the paper it's printed on when you have extremists that do not allow for an equal exchange of ideas, thoughts, and opinions.

Why does anyone have to "disavow" someone else in order to permit you to have what you call "civil dialogue"?

Are you not capable of judging individuals based in their own actions towards YOU?

 

[IM2]

Unlike yourself, I have not made a religion out of race. I don't have the time nor the inclination to become an absolute authority on the subject, but smarter men than you and I have already debated this. When the people at Harvard University broached the subject, they said what many others don't. And they saw the problem I face in their opening paragraphs:

Why do you think I'm here? And it's not to 'make a religion out of race'.

The reason you keep getting the push back that you do is because you all for some reason are unable to 'hear' what we have been stating. This has never been a competition of who has suffered more or that whites haven't suffered too in various ways. It's not about individuals, it's about the white and black races as a whole. If we can't answer the basic question we're never going to get to the actual race relation issues, but I've begun suspecting that the other side is only here to do damage, not work on improving race relations.

Admit or Deny:
The white race considered themselves to be superior to the black race

Admit or Deny:
There exists historical documents in which white racists verbalize their belief of racial superiority and the inferiority of the black race

Admit or Deny:
There exists a Supreme Court ruling in which the justice stated that the black man has no rights which a white man need respect

Admit or Deny:
There existed specific laws for the purpose of limiting or restricting the rights of people of African descent, also known as Jim Crow laws or Black Codes

Admit or Deny:
There exists legislative, court or other history documents in which the black race has declared their belief in racial superiority over the white race

Admit or Deny:
There exists specific laws for the purpose of limiting or restricting the rights of white Americans while granting additional rights to blacks

Admit or Deny:
There exists a Supreme Court Ruling in which a justice rules that the white man is so far below the black man that he has no rights of which need be respected

and so on and so forth.

These are historical, in the past

Yes and they are historically irrelevant... considering the fact that blacks started the slave trade and we are not talking about holding them accountable.

Oddly, black people don't care about the racist countries of the world with North Korea at 98 + percent one people, China is 98 + percent Han Chinese, Japanese (which calls itself the most racist nation on earth with about 97 percent or so Japanese. No way. How about Zimbabwe with 99.7 percent black?

The black extremists make much ado about Freedom, but in reality they hate the concept. They've made that clear to me.

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Definition of extremism

1 : the quality or state of being extreme

2 : advocacy of extreme measures or views : radicalism

So now it is become extreme to oppose the racism of whites.

We are in here with a bunch of foaming at the mouth mind added white racist lunatics.

The problem is, you are projecting.

I came here FIRST, challenging you and those like you, to disavow a racist that attacked me on a thread while admitting that "I stopped reading at..." So, bottom line, he attacks me while admitting he didn't read the freaking post!

YOU and your entourage that think you have the Internet sown up and can keep whites out by tolerating that kind of hatred and ignorance fulfill the very definition you posted.

I'm not allowed to be in the conversation until I stipulate, up front, to many things that, if I agreed, we'd all be wrong about. WTF? You have a problem with the First Amendment? It's not worth the paper it's printed on when you have extremists that do not allow for an equal exchange of ideas, thoughts, and opinions.

I've projected nothing..

.You've been in the conversation. So what's your point? .
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You didn't come here exchange ideas, you came here telling me I how you were going to stand up to me because I bully whites. So you put on supermans cape and proceeded to spit into the wind. You need to understand there has not been on case taken to supreme court by blacks that challenges equal rights for whites. No black person would get a case heard in kangaroo court, much less the supreme court claiming racial discrimination when 84 out of 100 slots are reserved for blacks. Every 20 or so years the right of whites to vote doesn't get voted on by congress.

For some reason whites like yourself think being called a name is equal to us losing some of our rights and chances at equal opportunity. You exercised your first amendment rights pal, but your ideas were opposed. We have that right under the first amendment. You and the other white republicans here are the extremists trying to shut people down. .
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[IM2]

LOL you are blaming whites for destroying black communities? Anyone in their own communities can make it a good place to live or a dump. Whites do not go into black neighborhoods and destroy it.

So it appears I was pretty much on the mark when I previously mentioned the lack of reading comprehension.

What I was discussing in that comment was FBI statistics and how not collecting & including certain attributes of an incident will not allow the accurate depiction of race & crime in America.

And yeah, that's exactly what the whites I was referring to in my comment did. And even if the FBI had been collecting crime statistics at that time, their statics would have shown that the black residents were the perpetrators of the riots that destroyed their entire community and shown no white people to be at fault. Just because you personally have no knowledge or understanding of a particular situation doesn't mean it's not true.

The Tulsa Race Riots of 1921
Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 (Paper)

1921

1776?

 

[IM2]

Molly doesn't seem to understand why she's been called a racist. In her mind she's has never made a racist commemt.

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You would think using the "N" word amongst themselves would be nothing but a reason to incite anger with white people, why use a word you hate to be called by white people, unless it is to start shit?

These ae just 2..
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You call people racists (as I've pointed out before.) You just dance around the subject and let others hint at it while you second their sentiment. You're part of that group people call the KIan with a tan.

There is no klan with a tan. What you define as racism is not racism.

 

[NewsVine_Mariyam]

Feigned affront
vs.
The following - the first image should be very familiar to some of you - what were you all saying about "that's the past"? I'd swear I've heard some of these "slogans" as recently as the last 30 days)

 

[Correll]

Even if true, its in the past.

I believe that there is such a thing as residual effect on the future because of the past.

No, at some point the babying of any group of people by the generation's that have way since moved on must soon end. It's really embarrassing that a group of people think that they should be treated in a special way at this point in time in our history. At some point the choices people make be it within their culture, finances, lifestyles etc have got to be made freely by those people themselves, and the consequences of their actions must be accounted for in connection to the choices they (the makers of such choices), have since made for themselves and not be blamed on anyone else. The blame game must end.

The governments handling of the history between the blacks and the whites has been flawed big time, and corrections stand to be made in it all.

Depending on how one interprets history

The "Shit" I talk is the Truth, that you lefties can't refute, which is why you so often go to the Logical Fallacy of Ad Hominem.


Your "feelings hurt" is just spin on your common lefty desire to be able to lie and insult without being called on your shit.


Your "girly" is just an insult and a lie. As I already explained.



This is not a verbal beating. This is libs losing an argument and being assholes because of it.


SOP.

The "shit" that you talk, is your one sided view of what truth is, which makes it "shit". And most of the "shit" that you talk is far from truth.

Case in point:
Why would you insist that I'm a liberal? You have no idea how I vote or who's political views I agree or disagree with. So if you label people, you may get labled as well. Thats how it is here.

There is no argument to lose here. This is a RACE RELATIONS forum, and at some point, everyone who posts here gets called a racist.....by a complete stranger.


If you cannot understand the simplicity of that, then you really are a bigger tool than you appear to be.

Nothing insulting about, it's strictly an opinion and observation of how someone perceives how you reason....or fail to.

The fact that this is the RACE RELATIONS forum, does not justify calling some one a racist.



Calling someone a racist, should be reserved for people who state racist beliefs.




Your friend, in her attempt to support her calling me a racist, cited that I did not answer a question, buried in a large post of hers.


That was her supporting evidence for calling me a vile name.


That is bullshit. And that is what you are defending.


You lose.

There is nothing for me to "lose" here. It's an anonymous forum, frequented by a majority of people like YOU that I am elated to NOT KNOW personally.

Sure there is. You made an argument that your friend was justified in calling me a vile insult for no reason.


You lost that argument. You lose.


That this is an anonymous forum, doesn't change that. That it won't change your life, doesn't change that.


Nothing about my statement implies real significant harm to you.


Yet, you took a stupid stance, and you lost.

In a few cases, there are some here who make sense.

Your warped perception of what is "vile" versus what is not, in a setting like this is childish and resembles the logic of a 10 year old, who failed the 5th grade.

In our society, "racist" is a very serious insult. Careers, lives are ruined by being labeled as such, whether the accusation is true or not.


To deny that it is a vile insult, is absurd.

It is an indisputable fact that in a forum called "Race Relations" even the most benign and innocuous individual will at some point in time be referred to as a "Racist".

Only because assholes like to call people names. Nothing I have said in this thread justifies calling me such a name, and I have demonstrated that, by challenging your friend to back it up, and her utter failure to do so.

You are quick on the trigger to accuse others of "race baiting" and in turn have no moral compass regarding some of what you have stated.

I am quick to call people on race baiting. It is a real problem in our society, and assholes who do it, need to be called on their shit.


My morals are fine.

And when you do get called out, you throw a whiny ***** tantrum.

ANd that's just an ass trying to minimizing my proper response to asses being asses.


Your lie is rejected.

If you can't understand that, and accept that by visiting this forum you WILL be subject to what everyone else here experiences, you're a damn fool.

I'm well aware that the world if full of lefty race baiting assholes, and I enjoy that on this site I get to call them on their bullshit.

You are not unique or above anyone else who posts here.

My arguments stand on their own merits or don't. That you feel a need to attack me personally, shows that my arguments are such that you cannot refute them.

But you appear to believe that you are.

Nope. Nothing I have said supports that stupid claim.

That makes you delusional.

Said the man that thinks that not answering a question is reason to call someone racist.

You are a ridiculous drama queen. If your idea of a "vile insult" is being called a racist on a "race relations" message board you are a fool just as you were accurately called.

It is a vile insult in our culture, and your denial of this just reveals you to be a liar.

There are no winners or losers here, and if in your little mind, there are, then that makes you look even more foolish, and hypersensitive than you actually are, if thats possible.

Says the man arguing that "racist" is not a vile insult in our culture. AND that not answering a question is reason enough to be called one.

You got called a racist, and to a number of people here, you appear to be.

Which is interesting, because NOTHING I say actually fits the actual definition of racist.

When people call me a racist, they are lying and race baiting.

Name one person who post here who has not been called a racist, quite a few have been by none other than you.

1. That a lot of people throw that word around stupidly and wrongly and vilely, does not support your argument. It just shows that there are a lot of assholes in the world.


2. I actually call people racist, when they are saying racist things or supporting racist policies, like discriminating against people based on race.

That's when it is i reasonable to call someone a racist. Not when they do not answer a question and so you assume their answer and then judge them based on your assumption.

And if you continue to post here, you will be called one again.

No doubt. And I will call you race baiters on your behavior, when you do it.

Get over it. You aren't special.

Again with the trying to make it about me.


My arguments stand or don't stand, based on their own merits. I have never claimed any special Authority, where you should just bow to my decree.


And my arguments are sound. Which is WHY you lefties always drop the discussion about the topic, and start with personal attacks.


Because you are wrong, and you are too dishonest to admit it.

 

[Correll]

I believe that there is such a thing as residual effect on the future because of the past.

No, at some point the babying of any group of people by the generation's that have way since moved on must soon end. It's really embarrassing that a group of people think that they should be treated in a special way at this point in time in our history. At some point the choices people make be it within their culture, finances, lifestyles etc have got to be made freely by those people themselves, and the consequences of their actions must be accounted for in connection to the choices they (the makers of such choices), have since made for themselves and not be blamed on anyone else. The blame game must end.

The governments handling of the history between the blacks and the whites has been flawed big time, and corrections stand to be made in it all.

Depending on how one interprets history

The "shit" that you talk, is your one sided view of what truth is, which makes it "shit". And most of the "shit" that you talk is far from truth.

Case in point:
Why would you insist that I'm a liberal? You have no idea how I vote or who's political views I agree or disagree with. So if you label people, you may get labled as well. Thats how it is here.

There is no argument to lose here. This is a RACE RELATIONS forum, and at some point, everyone who posts here gets called a racist.....by a complete stranger.


If you cannot understand the simplicity of that, then you really are a bigger tool than you appear to be.

Nothing insulting about, it's strictly an opinion and observation of how someone perceives how you reason....or fail to.

The fact that this is the RACE RELATIONS forum, does not justify calling some one a racist.



Calling someone a racist, should be reserved for people who state racist beliefs.




Your friend, in her attempt to support her calling me a racist, cited that I did not answer a question, buried in a large post of hers.


That was her supporting evidence for calling me a vile name.


That is bullshit. And that is what you are defending.


You lose.

There is nothing for me to "lose" here. It's an anonymous forum, frequented by a majority of people like YOU that I am elated to NOT KNOW personally.

Sure there is. You made an argument that your friend was justified in calling me a vile insult for no reason.


You lost that argument. You lose.


That this is an anonymous forum, doesn't change that. That it won't change your life, doesn't change that.


Nothing about my statement implies real significant harm to you.


Yet, you took a stupid stance, and you lost.

In a few cases, there are some here who make sense.

Your warped perception of what is "vile" versus what is not, in a setting like this is childish and resembles the logic of a 10 year old, who failed the 5th grade.

In our society, "racist" is a very serious insult. Careers, lives are ruined by being labeled as such, whether the accusation is true or not.


To deny that it is a vile insult, is absurd.

It is an indisputable fact that in a forum called "Race Relations" even the most benign and innocuous individual will at some point in time be referred to as a "Racist".

Only because assholes like to call people names. Nothing I have said in this thread justifies calling me such a name, and I have demonstrated that, by challenging your friend to back it up, and her utter failure to do so.

You are quick on the trigger to accuse others of "race baiting" and in turn have no moral compass regarding some of what you have stated.

I am quick to call people on race baiting. It is a real problem in our society, and assholes who do it, need to be called on their shit.


My morals are fine.

And when you do get called out, you throw a whiny ***** tantrum.

ANd that's just an ass trying to minimizing my proper response to asses being asses.


Your lie is rejected.

If you can't understand that, and accept that by visiting this forum you WILL be subject to what everyone else here experiences, you're a damn fool.

I'm well aware that the world if full of lefty race baiting assholes, and I enjoy that on this site I get to call them on their bullshit.

You are not unique or above anyone else who posts here.

My arguments stand on their own merits or don't. That you feel a need to attack me personally, shows that my arguments are such that you cannot refute them.

But you appear to believe that you are.

Nope. Nothing I have said supports that stupid claim.

That makes you delusional.

Said the man that thinks that not answering a question is reason to call someone racist.

I get called racist. Nowhere have I even hinted that I am, because I am not.

Ive been called the same, but Ive never implied that any race is superior to another.

Do you support discrimination based on race? Do you think that blacks have a right to judge whites and decide if something they said is a micro agression?

 

[Correll]

LOL you are blaming whites for destroying black communities? Anyone in their own communities can make it a good place to live or a dump. Whites do not go into black neighborhoods and destroy it.

So it appears I was pretty much on the mark when I previously mentioned the lack of reading comprehension.

What I was discussing in that comment was FBI statistics and how not collecting & including certain attributes of an incident will not allow the accurate depiction of race & crime in America.

And yeah, that's exactly what the whites I was referring to in my comment did. And even if the FBI had been collecting crime statistics at that time, their statics would have shown that the black residents were the perpetrators of the riots that destroyed their entire community and shown no white people to be at fault. Just because you personally have no knowledge or understanding of a particular situation doesn't mean it's not true.

The Tulsa Race Riots of 1921
Tulsa Race Riot of 1921 (Paper)

1921

1776?

We've built ON 1776. We've worked hard to leave behind 1921.


And we have.


And you are what we got out of that.

 

[katsteve2012]

No, at some point the babying of any group of people by the generation's that have way since moved on must soon end. It's really embarrassing that a group of people think that they should be treated in a special way at this point in time in our history. At some point the choices people make be it within their culture, finances, lifestyles etc have got to be made freely by those people themselves, and the consequences of their actions must be accounted for in connection to the choices they (the makers of such choices), have since made for themselves and not be blamed on anyone else. The blame game must end.

The governments handling of the history between the blacks and the whites has been flawed big time, and corrections stand to be made in it all.

Depending on how one interprets history

The fact that this is the RACE RELATIONS forum, does not justify calling some one a racist.



Calling someone a racist, should be reserved for people who state racist beliefs.




Your friend, in her attempt to support her calling me a racist, cited that I did not answer a question, buried in a large post of hers.


That was her supporting evidence for calling me a vile name.


That is bullshit. And that is what you are defending.


You lose.

There is nothing for me to "lose" here. It's an anonymous forum, frequented by a majority of people like YOU that I am elated to NOT KNOW personally.

Sure there is. You made an argument that your friend was justified in calling me a vile insult for no reason.


You lost that argument. You lose.


That this is an anonymous forum, doesn't change that. That it won't change your life, doesn't change that.


Nothing about my statement implies real significant harm to you.


Yet, you took a stupid stance, and you lost.

In a few cases, there are some here who make sense.

Your warped perception of what is "vile" versus what is not, in a setting like this is childish and resembles the logic of a 10 year old, who failed the 5th grade.

In our society, "racist" is a very serious insult. Careers, lives are ruined by being labeled as such, whether the accusation is true or not.


To deny that it is a vile insult, is absurd.

It is an indisputable fact that in a forum called "Race Relations" even the most benign and innocuous individual will at some point in time be referred to as a "Racist".

Only because assholes like to call people names. Nothing I have said in this thread justifies calling me such a name, and I have demonstrated that, by challenging your friend to back it up, and her utter failure to do so.

You are quick on the trigger to accuse others of "race baiting" and in turn have no moral compass regarding some of what you have stated.

I am quick to call people on race baiting. It is a real problem in our society, and assholes who do it, need to be called on their shit.


My morals are fine.

And when you do get called out, you throw a whiny ***** tantrum.

ANd that's just an ass trying to minimizing my proper response to asses being asses.


Your lie is rejected.

If you can't understand that, and accept that by visiting this forum you WILL be subject to what everyone else here experiences, you're a damn fool.

I'm well aware that the world if full of lefty race baiting assholes, and I enjoy that on this site I get to call them on their bullshit.

You are not unique or above anyone else who posts here.

My arguments stand on their own merits or don't. That you feel a need to attack me personally, shows that my arguments are such that you cannot refute them.

But you appear to believe that you are.

Nope. Nothing I have said supports that stupid claim.

That makes you delusional.

Said the man that thinks that not answering a question is reason to call someone racist.

I get called racist. Nowhere have I even hinted that I am, because I am not.

Ive been called the same, but Ive never implied that any race is superior to another.

Do you support discrimination based on race? Do you think that blacks have a right to judge whites and decide if something they said is a micro agression?

I do not support discrimination of any kind, but no race of people has a monopoly on doing so.

People are judged here everyday, based on what they take personally. What I see as a "micro agression may differ from someone elses perception.

Speaking for myself, I refuse to give someone on an anonymous message board that kind of power over me.

Face to face in real time will get a much different reaction.