Are Biden's issuance of presidential pardons going too far?

[Hollie]

How very fascist that you think you can declare a former presidents actions to be void.

How would that be " fascist"?

Take the time to learn the slogans you hurl.

 

[Marener]

How would that be " fascist"?

Take the time to learn the slogans you hurl.

Because it’s an authoritarian power grab. It would give a sitting president incredible abilities.

 

[rightwinger]

Accepting a pardon is an admission of guilt.

Burdick v United States


The Supreme Court's opinion stated that a pardon carries "an imputation of guilt and acceptance of a confession of it,"

Only if they had been convicted in a court of law
When charges were dropped against Trump, they made it clear it was because of respect for the office of President, not for Trump himself

Was Trump accepting an admission of guilt?

 

[Marener]

What offenses? Ones that anyone could claim to have occurred in the past?

How convenient. A "retroactive pardon" for offenses that maybe, kinda' sorta' occurred or maybe not.

So, we can agree that the pardon for Hunter Biden included offenses he committed in the past, we just have to guess what those offenses are.

Super.

All pardons are retroactive.

You don’t have to guess what the offenses are because they’re not going to be prosecuted.

 

[Hollie]

A pardon is a pardon…pure and simple
Partisan Republicans can call anyone they want

They will come p empty, just like they did in their attempt to pin something on Biden

Pretty simple minded. A pardon is for offenses. Biden's blanket use of pardons describes no offenses to warrant those pardons.

Pardons for crimes to be named at a later date?

 

[Hollie]

All pardons are retroactive.

You don’t have to guess what the offenses are because they’re not going to be prosecuted.

Pardons are for offenses committed.

You don't have to guess what the offense was because that is identified with the pardon.

 

[Marener]

Nixon was actually charged with 3 crimes!

Nope. Never charged. Moreover, the pardon of Nixon says he’s pardoned for any and all crimes.

 

[Cellblock2429]

How would that be " fascist"?

Take the time to learn the slogans you hurl.

For some reason, I cannot reply directly to Marener's post.
/---/ Did you not see the first word of my post: "Maybe?" How is maybe a declaration?

may·be
[ˈmābē]
adverb

1. perhaps; possibly:
   "maybe I won't go back" · "maybe she'd been wrong to accept this job"
   Similar:
   perhaps
   possibly
   conceivably
   happen
   peradventure
   noun

dec·la·ra·tion
[ˌdekləˈrāSHən]
noun

1. a formal or explicit statement or announcement:

 

[Marener]

Once again, Biden's pardons aren't going to protect anyone from future process crimes, like lying to Congress.

Okay.

 

[Marener]

Pardons are for offenses committed.

You don't have to guess what the offense was because that is identified with the pardon.

Offenses committed in the past. Meaning it’s retroactive.

The offenses identified in the pardon are “any and all”. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that.

 

[Marener]

For some reason, I cannot reply directly to Marener's post.
/---/ Did you not see the first word of my post: "Maybe?" How is maybe a declaration?

may·be
[ˈmābē]
adverb

1. perhaps; possibly:
   "maybe I won't go back" · "maybe she'd been wrong to accept this job"
   Similar:
   perhaps
   possibly
   conceivably
   happen
   peradventure
   noun

dec·la·ra·tion
[ˌdekləˈrāSHən]
noun

1. a formal or explicit statement or announcement:

Okay. Maybe you’re fascist.

 

[Hollie]

Because it’s an authoritarian power grab. It would give a sitting president incredible abilities.

Incredible abilities like retroactive pardons for crimes unnamed or identified?

 

[ColonelAngus]

Did dropping felony charges against Trump make it clear he broke the law?

You are full of shit.

Now we know for sure Fauci, Milley, and the J6 committee committed crimes.

Fauci got MILLIONS OF PEOPLE KILLED. LITERALLY MILLIONS.

As long as all the evidence is made public, it is ok if these people do not go to prison.

They also no longer have 5th amendment protection.

 

[Marener]

Incredible abilities like retroactive pardons for crimes unnamed or identified?

Constitutional pardon power could be described as such. We could reform it. I’d like that actually.

 

[ColonelAngus]

Every Trump voter should get blanket lifetime federal pardons.

 

[rightwinger]

Pretty simple minded. A pardon is for offenses. Biden's blanket use of pardons describes no offenses to warrant those pardons.

Pardons for crimes to be named at a later date?

Then there is nothing for you to be upset about is there?

 

[rightwinger]

Every Trump voter should get blanket lifetime federal pardons.

History will not pardon Trump voters

 

[Hollie]

Offenses committed in the past. Meaning it’s retroactive.

The offenses identified in the pardon are “any and all”. Not sure what’s so hard to understand about that.

So. No named offenses. Just a blanket pardon for anything that may have occurred.

Identify where in the Constitution retroactive pardons for unnamed offenses are identified.

 

[Calypso Jones]

Trump is attacking anyone who ever testified against him

Biden is just protecting them from retribution

He's protecting because they are guilty, conspiracies, traitors , enemies of the American people. They will get 'theirs'.

 

[Hollie]

Then there is nothing for you to be upset about is there?

Of course there is. Retroactive pardons for unnamed offenses are identified nowhere in the Constitution.