Zone1 Are any Christians here interested to know WHY Jews don’t believe Jesus was the Messiah?

[BS Filter]

Who said that? That wasn't in what I said so I'm not sure what you are saying is "correct".

The Scriptures say that. God was teaching us that the consequence for sin is death.

 

[rosends]

So now you're backtracking. You admit that there are sacrifices for sin. Thank you. That's all I needed, some honesty.

when did I say there weren't? I actually quoted and cited websites that said that there are. Can you show me where I said that there aren't sacrifices for sins? It is dishonest to mischaracterize what someone else has said.

 

[rosends]

The Scriptures say that. God was teaching us that the consequence for sin is death.

but you wrote "correct" in response to what I wrote and I didn't say any of that.

 

[BS Filter]

That's a fair question. The answer has a couple of elements to it:
the first is that not all sacrifice was animal based, so there is no absolute statement that the relationship needs a dead animal. What strenghtens the relationship is A) following what God asks for B) giving up something of value to another as a show of submission and/or C) acknowledging that all is God's

but the second is equally important -- that insincere sacrifice, or sacrifice when one is not following the laws is useless. God wants obedience. If that obedience includes sacrifice then that's great. But sacrifice without obedience is useless.

God makes Covenants to establish a relationship with man. It started after the fall in the Garden of Eden. There was a sacrifice.

 

[BS Filter]

but you wrote "correct" in response to what I wrote and I didn't say any of that.

You're confused.

 

[BS Filter]

when did I say there weren't? I actually quoted and cited websites that said that there are. Can you show me where I said that there aren't sacrifices for sins? It is dishonest to mischaracterize what someone else has said.

Go play your game with someone else.

 

[rosends]

You're confused.

you need to reread post 858 and get your story straight.

 

[rosends]

Go play your game with someone else.

What game? I'm just pointing out your dishonesty. I notice you can't respond with any substance. Point taken.

 

[BS Filter]

you need to reread post 858 and get your story straight.

You need to quit playing games.

 

[BS Filter]

What game? I'm just pointing out your dishonesty. I notice you can't respond with any substance. Point taken.

You're a dishonest liar.

 

[AsherN]

Correct. Death was to show the penalty for sin. God isn't pleased with death, but uses it to teach us that sin has a consequence.

You can make a sin offering of oil and flour.

 

[AsherN]

God makes Covenants to establish a relationship with man. It started after the fall in the Garden of Eden. There was a sacrifice.

Fall is a Christian interpretation. It was a test of Man's exercise of free will. And Man passed.

 

[BS Filter]

You can make a sin offering of oil and flour.

Please provide the Scripture.

 

[BS Filter]

Fall is a Christian interpretation. It was a test of Man's exercise of free will. And Man passed.

Not according to Scripture. God made a sacrifice to cover Adam and Eve.

 

[AsherN]

Not according to Scripture. God made a sacrifice to cover Adam and Eve.

According to Christian interpretations. We view it as a test. we also don't ascribe to the concept of original sin.

 

[buttercup]

That's a fair question. The answer has a couple of elements to it:
the first is that not all sacrifice was animal based, so there is no absolute statement that the relationship needs a dead animal. What strenghtens the relationship is A) following what God asks for B) giving up something of value to another as a show of submission and/or C) acknowledging that all is God's

but the second is equally important -- that insincere sacrifice, or sacrifice when one is not following the laws is useless. God wants obedience. If that obedience includes sacrifice then that's great. But sacrifice without obedience is useless.

Thanks for your thoughts.

I agree with some of the things you said, but overall I see it differently. First, I don't believe that God ever wanted animal sacrifices in the first place. But I think that often God meets us where we're at, and works to change us from there. I'll try to explain what I mean by that.

In the ancient world, animal sacrifice was a common practice that was already taking place in many cultures (some say it originated in Egypt.) It would make sense that God's people would begin sacrificing animals, since they were in Egypt for hundreds of years.

So assuming the passages regarding animal sacrifices are legit (btw, the Bible itself mentions "lying scribes," but that's a topic for another thread) God enacted laws on animal sacrifices, not because it's what He wanted, but to gradually move His people to what He does want, and to correct two things:

1) People were sacrificing to false gods, that was the first correction.
2) God doesn't want innocent animals to die at all, but they were just a shadow of what is to come, the ultimate sacrifice, the true spotless 'lamb of God', of course I'm talking about Yeshua. So this was the second correction.

I know this video is long, but if anyone is interested in this topic, I think it's a very good teaching on it:

 

[BreezeWood]

Well, I disagree with that. Because Catholics rock!

- is that liberation theology, self determination, what jesus taught ... the heavenly religion of antiquity granted a&e for their journey and remission to paradise.

or 4th century christianity.

 

[BreezeWood]

There are many sacrifices (of animals and plants) that have nothing to do with sin.

oh ... the heavenly version

Then God said, “Let us make life in our image, in our likeness, the fish in the sea and the birds in the sky the livestock and all the wild animals, and all the creatures that move along the ground.”

moses corrupted ... for himself and his kind.

“Take your son to the land of Moriah and kill your son there as a sacrifice for me. This must be Isaac, your only son, the one you love. Use him ...

the jews will destroy life, just not their own, to defy the heavens - their paterfamilias - hereditary idolatry ... they still defiantly claim. good luck wherever they are going.

 

[BreezeWood]

But G-d never intended for the sacrifice to go on, hence the ram/

why in that case any life - jew.

jews failed their test - paterfamilias is heavenly forbidden - good luck again for wherever you are going.

 

[BreezeWood]

And to purify and consecrate.

taking a life - you people haven't a clue ...

where's the admonition for supper time, you were hungry weren't you. you're not going anywhere either.