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Are Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia two sides of the same coin?
No.

Anti-Semitism is an aversion to Jews attributable to Gentiles looking for scapegoats to cover their own shortcomings.

Islamophobia is an aversion to Muslims attributable to Unbelievers' revulsion at Islam's bloodthirsty warmongering nature.

The former is inappropriate.

The latter is a survival mechanism attributable to an existential threat to Western Civilization.
 

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No, obviously not.

Antisemitism is an extreme prejudice against an ethno-religious group, utilizes falsehoods to spread the hatred and has resulted in genocide.

"Islamophobia" is just a silly, made up word to describe those who reject a totalitarian, supremacist ideology responsible for a huge amount of the world's troubles today.

Islamists and terrorist supporters try to claim they are the same, but that is only because they have a political objective in making the ridiculous claim.
 

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For a point of reference, what other ideology do we treat the rejection of such as a phobia?

Is there a Naziphobia? A Communistiphobia? An anarchophobia? No, of course not. Islam should be no different, and especially concerning that it is a supremacist, totalitarian ideology seeking to annihilate all other ways of life, the rejection of such is entirely logical.

The illogical people who are so afraid of it that they defend it are the ones acting from a truly phobic standpoint.
 
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No, obviously not.

Antisemitism is an extreme prejudice against an ethno-religious group, utilizes falsehoods to spread the hatred and has resulted in genocide.

"Islamophobia" is just a silly, made up word to describe those who reject a totalitarian, supremacist ideology responsible for a huge amount of the world's troubles today.

Islamists and terrorist supporters try to claim they are the same, but that is only because they have a political objective in making the ridiculous claim.

So when a man attacked a Sikh Temple, killing and injuring a number of people, thinking they were Muslims....that is “a rejection of a totalitarian, supremist ideology”.....

How interesting.
 
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For a point of reference, what other ideology do we treat the rejection of such as a phobia?

Is there a Naziphobia? A Communistiphobia? An anarchophobia? No, of course not. Islam should be no different, and especially concerning that it is a supremacist, totalitarian ideology seeking to annihilate all other ways of life, the rejection of such is entirely logical.

The illogical people who are so afraid of it that they defend it are the ones acting from a truly phobic standpoint.
I agree Islamophobia isn’t the best term. Anti-Muslimism is more accurate.
 

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Are Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia two sides of the same coin?
No.

Anti-Semitism is an aversion to Jews attributable to Gentiles looking for scapegoats to cover their own shortcomings.

Islamophobia is an aversion to Muslims attributable to Unbelievers' revulsion at Islam's bloodthirsty warmongering nature.

The former is inappropriate.

The latter is a survival mechanism attributable to an existential threat to Western Civilization.

LOL, Why is one religious criticism so right, and another religious criticism so wrong?
 

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No, obviously not.

Antisemitism is an extreme prejudice against an ethno-religious group, utilizes falsehoods to spread the hatred and has resulted in genocide.

"Islamophobia" is just a silly, made up word to describe those who reject a totalitarian, supremacist ideology responsible for a huge amount of the world's troubles today.

Islamists and terrorist supporters try to claim they are the same, but that is only because they have a political objective in making the ridiculous claim.

Why are anti-Jewish sentiments falsehoods, but anti-Muslim sentiments somehow legit?
 

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Islamophobia is the fear of Islamic hate, violence, Sharia Laws, oppression of Women, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Gays, Buddhist, Atheist, bombings, hijackings, being butchered alive, being burnt alive, hangings, mass shootings....
You can decide for yourself if it is a justified fear.

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Anti-Semitism can be the same kind of valid criticisms you're making.

Israel's IDF has been behind many terroristic massacres as of late, as they shoot into crowds .

Israel's organ trafficking scandals.

Israel's theft, and oppression of Palestinians.

Russian Mafia was founded by Jewish Semion Mogilevich.

Murder INC was founded by Jewish Louis Bulchalter.

NKVD was founded by Jewish Genrikh Yagoda.

The Selk'nam genocides were perpetrated by Jew Julius Popper to cause that Native tribe to go extinct.

Jewish Benjamin Disraeli ruled the British empire during the height of the Late Victorian Holocausts.
 

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Islamophobia is the fear of Islamic hate, violence, Sharia Laws, oppression of Women, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Gays, Buddhist, Atheist, bombings, hijackings, being butchered alive, being burnt alive, hangings, mass shootings....
You can decide for yourself if it is a justified fear.

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Except not all of that is true...for examp,e Buddhists are committing genocide on Muslims, Hindu nationalists are oppressing Muslims and forceably converting Christians to Hinduism, Sharia varies in how or if it is utilized around the world and many of those actions occur with other groups as well. So why are Muslims as anentire work group targeted for the actions of some instead of individual peop,e, cultures or actions targeted?

OK, you are on the unjustified fear side.
The purpose of terrorism is to instill fear.
Don't give other people reasons to be prejudice and the prejudices will go away.
Soooo, stop the terrorism.

Actually no. It won’t go away. There is no rational reason for prejudice against Jews. Yet it has never gone away.

Prejudices are about as rational as you can get, why would anyone go through life thinking everything was equal threat to them, or their society, when it's clearly not the case?
 

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No, obviously not.

Antisemitism is an extreme prejudice against an ethno-religious group, utilizes falsehoods to spread the hatred and has resulted in genocide.

"Islamophobia" is just a silly, made up word to describe those who reject a totalitarian, supremacist ideology responsible for a huge amount of the world's troubles today.

Islamists and terrorist supporters try to claim they are the same, but that is only because they have a political objective in making the ridiculous claim.

It's wrong to pre-judge any group of people, Jews, Muslims, Cops, School Teachers, Gingers, or Shriners based on the actions... good or bad ... of a few.

It's just lazy.
 

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Are Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia two sides of the same coin?
No.

Anti-Semitism is an aversion to Jews attributable to Gentiles looking for scapegoats to cover their own shortcomings.

Islamophobia is an aversion to Muslims attributable to Unbelievers' revulsion at Islam's bloodthirsty warmongering nature.

The former is inappropriate.

The latter is a survival mechanism attributable to an existential threat to Western Civilization.

Exactly what any Anti-semite would say to defend his own beliefs.

What you said is no different from the anti-semites who proclaim that all Jews are thieves and that they secretly sacrifice Christian children.
 

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For a point of reference, what other ideology do we treat the rejection of such as a phobia?

Is there a Naziphobia? A Communistiphobia? An anarchophobia? No, of course not. Islam should be no different, and especially concerning that it is a supremacist, totalitarian ideology seeking to annihilate all other ways of life, the rejection of such is entirely logical.

The illogical people who are so afraid of it that they defend it are the ones acting from a truly phobic standpoint.
I agree Islamophobia isn’t the best term. Anti-Muslimism is more accurate.
Both anti-semitism and Islamophobia are poor linguistic terms.

But we know that anti-semitism refers to prejudice against jews just as we know that islamophobia refers to prejudice against muslims.
 
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Islamophobia is the fear of Islamic hate, violence, Sharia Laws, oppression of Women, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Gays, Buddhist, Atheist, bombings, hijackings, being butchered alive, being burnt alive, hangings, mass shootings....
You can decide for yourself if it is a justified fear.

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Except not all of that is true...for examp,e Buddhists are committing genocide on Muslims, Hindu nationalists are oppressing Muslims and forceably converting Christians to Hinduism, Sharia varies in how or if it is utilized around the world and many of those actions occur with other groups as well. So why are Muslims as anentire work group targeted for the actions of some instead of individual peop,e, cultures or actions targeted?

OK, you are on the unjustified fear side.
The purpose of terrorism is to instill fear.
Don't give other people reasons to be prejudice and the prejudices will go away.
Soooo, stop the terrorism.

Actually no. It won’t go away. There is no rational reason for prejudice against Jews. Yet it has never gone away.

Prejudices are about as rational as you can get, why would anyone go through life thinking everything was equal threat to them, or their society, when it's clearly not the case?
You would have a point if perception of threats were related to reality of threats.
 

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Are Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia two sides of the same coin?
No.

Anti-Semitism is an aversion to Jews attributable to Gentiles looking for scapegoats to cover their own shortcomings.

Islamophobia is an aversion to Muslims attributable to Unbelievers' revulsion at Islam's bloodthirsty warmongering nature.

The former is inappropriate.

The latter is a survival mechanism attributable to an existential threat to Western Civilization.

LOL, Why is one religious criticism so right, and another religious criticism so wrong?
Islam is not a religion.

It is totalitarianism disguised as a religion.
 

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Are Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia two sides of the same coin?
No.

Anti-Semitism is an aversion to Jews attributable to Gentiles looking for scapegoats to cover their own shortcomings.

Islamophobia is an aversion to Muslims attributable to Unbelievers' revulsion at Islam's bloodthirsty warmongering nature.

The former is inappropriate.

The latter is a survival mechanism attributable to an existential threat to Western Civilization.

LOL, Why is one religious criticism so right, and another religious criticism so wrong?
Islam is not a religion.

It is totalitarianism disguised as a religion.

Islam is still better than socialism. In socialism, the bosses of society are formally above God. In Islam, like in a religion, nothing is above God.
 

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Islamophobia is the fear of Islamic hate, violence, Sharia Laws, oppression of Women, Christians, Jews, Hindus, Gays, Buddhist, Atheist, bombings, hijackings, being butchered alive, being burnt alive, hangings, mass shootings....
You can decide for yourself if it is a justified fear.

View attachment 219299

Except not all of that is true...for examp,e Buddhists are committing genocide on Muslims, Hindu nationalists are oppressing Muslims and forceably converting Christians to Hinduism, Sharia varies in how or if it is utilized around the world and many of those actions occur with other groups as well. So why are Muslims as anentire work group targeted for the actions of some instead of individual peop,e, cultures or actions targeted?

OK, you are on the unjustified fear side.
The purpose of terrorism is to instill fear.
Don't give other people reasons to be prejudice and the prejudices will go away.
Soooo, stop the terrorism.

Actually no. It won’t go away. There is no rational reason for prejudice against Jews. Yet it has never gone away.

Prejudices are about as rational as you can get, why would anyone go through life thinking everything was equal threat to them, or their society, when it's clearly not the case?
You would have a point if perception of threats were related to reality of threats.

Islamic terrorism is a threat, even if it's a rather smaller one.
Jewish Liberalism is in fact, even a much bigger threat, it weakens, degrades, and divides the nation from within.
So, are Russia, and China bigger threats than Islamic terrorism too.

Individualism is all about poor planning, and weak reactions, exactly why it belongs in the dust-bin of history.

You don't create a better society by thinking judge everybody as individuals, or everything's equal, and not a threat, that's how you create a terrible society, exactly why everything's going down the tubes in the West.
 

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Are Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia two sides of the same coin?
No.

Anti-Semitism is an aversion to Jews attributable to Gentiles looking for scapegoats to cover their own shortcomings.

Islamophobia is an aversion to Muslims attributable to Unbelievers' revulsion at Islam's bloodthirsty warmongering nature.

The former is inappropriate.

The latter is a survival mechanism attributable to an existential threat to Western Civilization.

LOL, Why is one religious criticism so right, and another religious criticism so wrong?
Islam is not a religion.

It is totalitarianism disguised as a religion.

Islam generally respects Jesus as a prophet, Judaism generally thinks Jesus is boiling in Hell in excrement.
 

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No, obviously not.

Antisemitism is an extreme prejudice against an ethno-religious group, utilizes falsehoods to spread the hatred and has resulted in genocide.

"Islamophobia" is just a silly, made up word to describe those who reject a totalitarian, supremacist ideology responsible for a huge amount of the world's troubles today.

Islamists and terrorist supporters try to claim they are the same, but that is only because they have a political objective in making the ridiculous claim.

It's wrong to pre-judge any group of people, Jews, Muslims, Cops, School Teachers, Gingers, or Shriners based on the actions... good or bad ... of a few.

It's just lazy.

So, why don't you go pet the Bear you meet in the woods, you're not prejudiced against Bear's, are you?

Prejudices are necessary, point blank.

Both Jews, and Muslims are often anti-West, just in different ways, and if people don't react, the West will be gone as we know it.
 
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Except not all of that is true...for examp,e Buddhists are committing genocide on Muslims, Hindu nationalists are oppressing Muslims and forceably converting Christians to Hinduism, Sharia varies in how or if it is utilized around the world and many of those actions occur with other groups as well. So why are Muslims as anentire work group targeted for the actions of some instead of individual peop,e, cultures or actions targeted?

OK, you are on the unjustified fear side.
The purpose of terrorism is to instill fear.
Don't give other people reasons to be prejudice and the prejudices will go away.
Soooo, stop the terrorism.

Actually no. It won’t go away. There is no rational reason for prejudice against Jews. Yet it has never gone away.

Prejudices are about as rational as you can get, why would anyone go through life thinking everything was equal threat to them, or their society, when it's clearly not the case?
You would have a point if perception of threats were related to reality of threats.

Islamic terrorism is a threat, even if it's a rather smaller one.
Jewish Liberalism is in fact, even a much bigger threat, it weakens, degrades, and divides the nation from within.
So, are Russia, and China bigger threats than Islamic terrorism too.

Individualism is all about poor planning, and weak reactions, exactly why it belongs in the dust-bin of history.

You don't create a better society by thinking judge everybody as individuals, or everything's equal, and not a threat, that's how you create a terrible society, exactly why everything's going down the tubes in the West.

Individualism and individual rights is what built this country.
 
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Are Anti-Semitism and Islamophobia two sides of the same coin?
No.

Anti-Semitism is an aversion to Jews attributable to Gentiles looking for scapegoats to cover their own shortcomings.

Islamophobia is an aversion to Muslims attributable to Unbelievers' revulsion at Islam's bloodthirsty warmongering nature.

The former is inappropriate.

The latter is a survival mechanism attributable to an existential threat to Western Civilization.

LOL, Why is one religious criticism so right, and another religious criticism so wrong?
Islam is not a religion.

It is totalitarianism disguised as a religion.

Islam generally respects Jesus as a prophet, Judaism generally thinks Jesus is boiling in Hell in excrement.
Boiling complex faiths down to bumper sticker memes is part of what fuels the rhetoric of intolerance. It shows a general lack of (or cherry picked) knowledge. People pick the ugliest parts, distort them and propagate them.
 

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