Are all of God's instructions for stoning sluts to be ignored?

[Neubarth]

According to n00barf, anyone that doesn't believe in the God of hellfire and brimstone is going to hell.

And, again according to n00barf, if you don't believe in God, you're going to hell, and therefore a demon.

Again, I caught you in another of your satanic lies. Nobody becomes a demon. They can be possessed by a demon, like you and skydancer. Skydancer is possessed by Satan. Of that, I am absolutely certain because she constantly blasphemes the Holy Spirit of God. Because of that God has condemned her to death.

 

[Neubarth]

Although execution is mentioned frequently in the Torah, the criteria for implementing it are so strongly to make it nearly impossible.

In fact, a jewish court that had an execution once in 70 years was considered a blood thirsty court.

The Death Penalty in Jewish Tradition - My Jewish Learning


According to the Mishnah (Sanhedrin 1:4) the death penalty could only be inflicted, after trial, by a Sanhedrin composed of twenty-three judges and there were four types of death penalty (Sanhedrin 7:1): stoning, burning, slaying (by the sword), and strangling. A bare reading of these and the other accounts in the tractate would seem to suggest a vast proliferation of the death penalty. Yet, throughout the Talmudic literature, this whole subject is viewed with unease, so much so that according to the rules stated in that literature the death penalty could hardly ever have been imposed.

For instance, it is ruled that two witnesses are required to testify not only that they witnessed the act for which the criminal has been charged but that they had warned him beforehand that if he carried out the act he would be executed, and he had to accept the warning, stating his willingness to commit the act despite his awareness of its consequences. The criminal's own confession is not accepted as evidence. Moreover, circumstantial evidence is not admitted.

I am well aware of the interpretation of Jewish tradition and Jewish Law. Many of my Jewish friends were appalled that Eichmann was killed. Many of the oldtimers who fought for independence told me that the best way to kill people like Eichmann is in time of war. Peaceful civil courts in Israel are too liberal for me. Military judgment appears to be more efficient.

 

[Immanuel]

Well, I have to admit, I have only skimmed over most of that and will go back an try to read it shortly.

Couple of points I see off the bat here... I do not think God makes allowances for the "it depends on how you define adultery" argument. Adultery is adultery and by my reading of the Word of God, I'm a layman so please forgive me if I am incorrect, adultery is any sex outside of marriage. I do not recall an exclusion for having been an atheist at the time. I do, however, recall that Our Lord, Jesus Christ died on the cross to take on the sins of the world, which I understand to be limited to the sins of believers, therefore, your sins would have now... assuming you are a true believer and I take your word that you are... been forgiven.

I'm currently studying the Book of Leviticus and I had a question just a little while ago. I was studying chapter 20 in which the laws against adultery are characterized as being punishable by death, funny how I hit that particular chapter today. My question is regarding the stoning and opportunity for repentance. Is there any length of time in which the adulterer and/or the adulteress are given to repent? I read Leviticus 20 and I think what God is saying is that if someone is caught in the sin of adultery we are to pull them out of the tent and stone them right then and there. Are they given even a second's worth of time to repent of their sins?

But here I am, pure as the driven snow, forgiven of all sin and ready to go to battle for God. All He has to do is tell me who He wants me to kill. Go into the land and slay all of the inhabitants thereof.

Scary thought, because I can imagine Scott Roeder, Paul Hill, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph all saying the same thing before they went out and killed for their god.

Immie

Immie, different religions define adultery differently. Different denominations define adultery differently. So when responding to a question, it depends upon what the person posing the question believes. Personally, I am prone to believe that any sex before marriage or after the marriage vows is adultery if it is not with the person you have married. Other people tell me I am wrong. At any rate, I have not had sex with another while married. Conservative Christian denominations tell me that the first marriage was not really a marriage because it was not blessed by God in a church ceremony. If that is what they believe, then who am I to argue with them. Did I commit the sin of fornication? Hell yes! I was a fornicator from the depths of hell, and quite frankly I enjoyed it and reverted back to my old ways after my first wife had her affair. But eventually, I got my act straight.

As regards being a soldier for God. Go talk to Joshua and Caleb. Seeing that you made the other comparisons, do you think that Joshua was like onto Hitler or Stalin?

I believe you stated you were Lutheran. As am I, LCMS. I condemn you not. Just asking questions and trying to get a feel for what you are saying here, because as I said before, I believe that you had a point to this thread and I am waiting to see exactly what point that might be.

Since you state that you are a Lutheran and a minister, I expect that the Gospel is soon to follow the Law and I am looking for it. If there is one thing my pastor taught me, it is that one must listen for both the Law and the Gospel in a sermon. I think it is safe to say that if both are not present, then it is not a sermon... or would that be that if both are not present it is not a good sermon?

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So, is it safe to say that you put Paul Hill on Joshua's level? I have always considered Joshua to be a rather sane man.

Immie

 

[Neubarth]

You are the only demon that I know of. You are possessed by Satan himself. Totally evil in everything that you do and say.

but newbarf,
how come sky dancer is the only one that gets to play demon?

He forgets that he calls Echo Zulu and Care4all demons. ...

Anybody who does the bidding of Satan or his demons can be possessed by Satan or the various demons. That possession can be temporary for a few minutes of for hours like we saw with Care4None when I caught her in lie after lie after lie after lie after lie on this forum and this string. Echo Zulu was just having some kind of perverse fun and she kept on winking at me, so I made her an honorary Satanic Whore, which for her was a high badge of distinction. She wore her title proudly.

 

[uscitizen]

You may have a promising career in fiction n00barf.

BTW........what was your rate/rating? (Methinks I smells a rat..........)

I was a Nuc EM.

Because I needed corrective lenses, I was restricted to Surface ships, and when I graduated from Nuc School (After half a year in Vallejo and half a year in Idaho Falls, Idaho) I had to wait until a nuc billet opened up on one of the four surface ships (Enterprise, Long Beach, Bainbridge and the Truxtun)

To wait my turn, I was assigned to Mine Squadron Ten in Charleston, South Carolina where I went through another six months of training to be a mine countermeasures specialist. I sailed over to the Med on two occasions.

Eventually, I went to the West Coast and served a year on the Truxtun DDGN 35, where in 1972 -1973 we were air traffic control ship for North Vietnam. We stood off of Haiphong Harbor and vectored in all of the bombing runs over that country when Nixon was trying to bomb them into submission.

Now we know that the navy uses inadequate radiation safeguards for their sailors.

 

[Neubarth]

You may have a promising career in fiction n00barf.

BTW........what was your rate/rating? (Methinks I smells a rat..........)

I was a Nuc EM.

Because I needed corrective lenses, I was restricted to Surface ships, and when I graduated from Nuc School (After half a year in Vallejo and half a year in Idaho Falls, Idaho) I had to wait until a nuc billet opened up on one of the four surface ships (Enterprise, Long Beach, Bainbridge and the Truxtun)

To wait my turn, I was assigned to Mine Squadron Ten in Charleston, South Carolina where I went through another six months of training to be a mine countermeasures specialist. I sailed over to the Med on two occasions.

Eventually, I went to the West Coast and served a year on the Truxtun DDGN 35, where in 1972 -1973 we were air traffic control ship for North Vietnam. We stood off of Haiphong Harbor and vectored in all of the bombing runs over that country when Nixon was trying to bomb them into submission.

Now we know that the navy uses inadequate radiation safeguards for their sailors.

My total radiation exposure for Six years enlisted in the Navy was less than if I lived in Denver Colorado during those six years. I then put in almost six years as an officer (Nuclear Weapons Officer, ASW, DCA......) My radiation exposure was about 60 percent of what it would have been if I lived in Denver. Man, it is not safe to live in Denver.

 

[Neubarth]

Well, I have to admit, I have only skimmed over most of that and will go back an try to read it shortly.

Couple of points I see off the bat here... I do not think God makes allowances for the "it depends on how you define adultery" argument. Adultery is adultery and by my reading of the Word of God, I'm a layman so please forgive me if I am incorrect, adultery is any sex outside of marriage. I do not recall an exclusion for having been an atheist at the time. I do, however, recall that Our Lord, Jesus Christ died on the cross to take on the sins of the world, which I understand to be limited to the sins of believers, therefore, your sins would have now... assuming you are a true believer and I take your word that you are... been forgiven.

I'm currently studying the Book of Leviticus and I had a question just a little while ago. I was studying chapter 20 in which the laws against adultery are characterized as being punishable by death, funny how I hit that particular chapter today. My question is regarding the stoning and opportunity for repentance. Is there any length of time in which the adulterer and/or the adulteress are given to repent? I read Leviticus 20 and I think what God is saying is that if someone is caught in the sin of adultery we are to pull them out of the tent and stone them right then and there. Are they given even a second's worth of time to repent of their sins?



Scary thought, because I can imagine Scott Roeder, Paul Hill, Tim McVeigh, Eric Rudolph all saying the same thing before they went out and killed for their god.

Immie

Immie, different religions define adultery differently. Different denominations define adultery differently. So when responding to a question, it depends upon what the person posing the question believes. Personally, I am prone to believe that any sex before marriage or after the marriage vows is adultery if it is not with the person you have married. Other people tell me I am wrong. At any rate, I have not had sex with another while married. Conservative Christian denominations tell me that the first marriage was not really a marriage because it was not blessed by God in a church ceremony. If that is what they believe, then who am I to argue with them. Did I commit the sin of fornication? Hell yes! I was a fornicator from the depths of hell, and quite frankly I enjoyed it and reverted back to my old ways after my first wife had her affair. But eventually, I got my act straight.

As regards being a soldier for God. Go talk to Joshua and Caleb. Seeing that you made the other comparisons, do you think that Joshua was like onto Hitler or Stalin?

I believe you stated you were Lutheran. As am I, LCMS. I condemn you not. Just asking questions and trying to get a feel for what you are saying here, because as I said before, I believe that you had a point to this thread and I am waiting to see exactly what point that might be.

Since you state that you are a Lutheran and a minister, I expect that the Gospel is soon to follow the Law and I am looking for it. If there is one thing my pastor taught me, it is that one must listen for both the Law and the Gospel in a sermon. I think it is safe to say that if both are not present, then it is not a sermon... or would that be that if both are not present it is not a good sermon?

****************************************************************

So, is it safe to say that you put Paul Hill on Joshua's level? I have always considered Joshua to be a rather sane man.

Immie

You keep on making false assumptions. I am not a Lutheran. I was married in a Lutheran Church to my second wife. I am a minister of my own non denominational church. Almost all of the Christian churches have departed from the faith as they are not doing the bidding of God. When was the last time your church attacked an abortion mill? Have you set any bars on fire lately? When was the last time you stoned somebody?

Do you think that you do not have to obey God now that it is 2010? The Bible says that God in unchanging. His commandments do not change. Why have all of the churches of the modern age turned their backs on his instruction? Do you have an explanation for it, or do you just go with the flow and pretend that you are a Christian??????

 

[Immanuel]

Immie, different religions define adultery differently. Different denominations define adultery differently. So when responding to a question, it depends upon what the person posing the question believes. Personally, I am prone to believe that any sex before marriage or after the marriage vows is adultery if it is not with the person you have married. Other people tell me I am wrong. At any rate, I have not had sex with another while married. Conservative Christian denominations tell me that the first marriage was not really a marriage because it was not blessed by God in a church ceremony. If that is what they believe, then who am I to argue with them. Did I commit the sin of fornication? Hell yes! I was a fornicator from the depths of hell, and quite frankly I enjoyed it and reverted back to my old ways after my first wife had her affair. But eventually, I got my act straight.

As regards being a soldier for God. Go talk to Joshua and Caleb. Seeing that you made the other comparisons, do you think that Joshua was like onto Hitler or Stalin?

I believe you stated you were Lutheran. As am I, LCMS. I condemn you not. Just asking questions and trying to get a feel for what you are saying here, because as I said before, I believe that you had a point to this thread and I am waiting to see exactly what point that might be.

Since you state that you are a Lutheran and a minister, I expect that the Gospel is soon to follow the Law and I am looking for it. If there is one thing my pastor taught me, it is that one must listen for both the Law and the Gospel in a sermon. I think it is safe to say that if both are not present, then it is not a sermon... or would that be that if both are not present it is not a good sermon?

****************************************************************

So, is it safe to say that you put Paul Hill on Joshua's level? I have always considered Joshua to be a rather sane man.

Immie

You keep on making false assumptions. I am not a Lutheran. I was married in a Lutheran Church to my second wife. I am a minister of my own non denominational church. Almost all of the Christian churches have departed from the faith as they are not doing the bidding of God. When was the last time your church attacked an abortion mill? Have you set any bars on fire lately? When was the last time you stoned somebody?

Do you think that you do not have to obey God now that it is 2010? The Bible says that God in unchanging. His commandments do not change. Why have all of the churches of the modern age turned their backs on his instruction? Do you have an explanation for it, or do you just go with the flow and pretend that you are a Christian??????

Ah, okay, thank you for that information.

In other words, you are a cult leader.

Nice to know.

Immie

 

[Neubarth]

I believe you stated you were Lutheran. As am I, LCMS. I condemn you not. Just asking questions and trying to get a feel for what you are saying here, because as I said before, I believe that you had a point to this thread and I am waiting to see exactly what point that might be.

Since you state that you are a Lutheran and a minister, I expect that the Gospel is soon to follow the Law and I am looking for it. If there is one thing my pastor taught me, it is that one must listen for both the Law and the Gospel in a sermon. I think it is safe to say that if both are not present, then it is not a sermon... or would that be that if both are not present it is not a good sermon?

****************************************************************

So, is it safe to say that you put Paul Hill on Joshua's level? I have always considered Joshua to be a rather sane man.

Immie

You keep on making false assumptions. I am not a Lutheran. I was married in a Lutheran Church to my second wife. I am a minister of my own non denominational church. Almost all of the Christian churches have departed from the faith as they are not doing the bidding of God. When was the last time your church attacked an abortion mill? Have you set any bars on fire lately? When was the last time you stoned somebody?

Do you think that you do not have to obey God now that it is 2010? The Bible says that God in unchanging. His commandments do not change. Why have all of the churches of the modern age turned their backs on his instruction? Do you have an explanation for it, or do you just go with the flow and pretend that you are a Christian??????

Ah, okay, thank you for that information.

In other words, you are a cult leader.

Nice to know.

Immie

Not a cult leader. I am a pure Christian. The Lutherans have so departed from the Bible it is wrong to say they are Christian. They are a cult that pretends to be Christian. The Southern Baptists just had a narrow vote on whether or not they would accept the Bible as the Word of God. If I remember right, the Bible won by a very narrow majority. The Southern Baptists are flirting with Blasphemy of the Holy Spirit. The regular Baptist churches are no longer Christian. These are all examples of the apostasy in the last days that we are warned about in the beginning of Revelation. The seven churches are examples of what we are going to see in the Church Age. Well, the church age is dying as the Bible predicted. My church is the church of Philadelphia, and it will be raptured in a few more months before the killing of everybody on Earth starts.

 

[Immanuel]

You keep on making false assumptions. I am not a Lutheran. I was married in a Lutheran Church to my second wife. I am a minister of my own non denominational church. Almost all of the Christian churches have departed from the faith as they are not doing the bidding of God. When was the last time your church attacked an abortion mill? Have you set any bars on fire lately? When was the last time you stoned somebody?

Do you think that you do not have to obey God now that it is 2010? The Bible says that God in unchanging. His commandments do not change. Why have all of the churches of the modern age turned their backs on his instruction? Do you have an explanation for it, or do you just go with the flow and pretend that you are a Christian??????

Ah, okay, thank you for that information.

In other words, you are a cult leader.

Nice to know.

Immie

Not a cult leader. I am a pure Christian.

Didn't Jim Jones say something like that as his people were handing out cyanide laced kool-aid?

Immie

 

[Sky Dancer]

Ah, okay, thank you for that information.

In other words, you are a cult leader.

Nice to know.

Immie

Not a cult leader. I am a pure Christian.

Didn't Jim Jones say something like that as his people were handing out cyanide laced kool-aid?

Immie

[ame]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBeUGqeYsQg[/ame]

 

[uscitizen]

Jesus started out as a clut leader.
All religions did/do.

 

[Sky Dancer]

Actually, we often consider other peoples religions as cults. No one owns being in a cult.

 

[uscitizen]

yep basically any religion or sect that is not widely recognized as a valid religion is a cult.
Kinda has to do with size and acceptance to go from cult to religion.

 

[Sky Dancer]

yep basically any religion or sect that is not widely recognized as a valid religion is a cult.
Kinda has to do with size and acceptance to go from cult to religion.

Buddhism is the fourth largest religion on earth yet some Christians think it's a cult. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination but some people think they're a cult too.

I wonder if you think some other group is a cult, YOU"RE in a cult!

 

[Care4all]

as with everything, there have been both good and bad cults

 

[uscitizen]

yep basically any religion or sect that is not widely recognized as a valid religion is a cult.
Kinda has to do with size and acceptance to go from cult to religion.

Buddhism is the fourth largest religion on earth yet some Christians think it's a cult. The Roman Catholic Church is the largest Christian denomination but some people think they're a cult too.

I wonder if you think some other group is a cult, YOU"RE in a cult!

Well some Christians and some People are stupid, but that has nothing to do with my statement.

 

[Sky Dancer]

as with everything, there have been both good and bad cults

Good and bad is in the eye of the beholder. Both Buddhism and Catholicism are considered bad cults by some.

Truth is some forms of Buddhism seem cult-like to me. Here's one:
http://www.rickross.com/reference/gakkai/gakkai19.html

 

[Care4all]

yes, obviously this is ALWAYS in the eye of the beholder.

 

[Modbert]

Never sure there was a "good" cult.

cult - definition of cult by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

A religion or religious sect generally considered to be extremist or false, with its followers often living in an unconventional manner under the guidance of an authoritarian, charismatic leader.