Are All Black Americans Racist?

[MarcATL]

What about labels such as....

Jewish-American
Irish-American
German-American
Italian-American

Those are racist ones too that's intended to divide and should be done away with?

Stupid labels too. I don't think it's a coincidence that most Black American Democrats are bigots. It's all they know. In a sense they are still slaves. The Democratic Party pulls their strings. They have to keep Black Americans angry & bigoted. That's the only way to guarantee they will be Democrats. If most black Americans stopped using the label "African American" their minds would probably spring open and some might even decide to ditch the Democratic Party and join the Republican Party. The Democrats can't have that. Gotta keep the sheep angry & bitter. That's the Democratic way. It's pretty sad.

Stupid. But are they racist?!??

 

[Wicked Jester]

So, um, demographics are only important to the left?

Actually, I agree with it. We should drop every label other than 'American' - that is the tie that binds us. And I do think it is used to divide.... it plays on the 'fear' of minorities.... although I can understand why some (not all) minorities take comfort in the 'African' or 'Hispanic' part. It is their right to hold on to a label, but I don't think it is a positive thing, generally.

Italians and Polish Americans have festivals every summer too. The food is THE SHIT!
The block parties back in my old hood? The food there was also to die for.
You wander around, you get to know people, you get recipes and invites to dinner. Life is good.

There is no such things as "Italian and Polish americans".

 

[Barb]

Actually, I agree with it. We should drop every label other than 'American' - that is the tie that binds us. And I do think it is used to divide.... it plays on the 'fear' of minorities.... although I can understand why some (not all) minorities take comfort in the 'African' or 'Hispanic' part. It is their right to hold on to a label, but I don't think it is a positive thing, generally.

Italians and Polish Americans have festivals every summer too. The food is THE SHIT!
The block parties back in my old hood? The food there was also to die for.
You wander around, you get to know people, you get recipes and invites to dinner. Life is good.

There is no such things as "Italian and Polish americans".

Then the Italian Fests aren't real, and the Polish American club I drive past is a mirage.
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[Ozmar]

Actually, I agree with it. We should drop every label other than 'American' - that is the tie that binds us. And I do think it is used to divide.... it plays on the 'fear' of minorities.... although I can understand why some (not all) minorities take comfort in the 'African' or 'Hispanic' part. It is their right to hold on to a label, but I don't think it is a positive thing, generally.

Italians and Polish Americans have festivals every summer too. The food is THE SHIT!
The block parties back in my old hood? The food there was also to die for.
You wander around, you get to know people, you get recipes and invites to dinner. Life is good.

There is no such things as "Italian and Polish americans".

No doubt. But it's okay for people with that heritage to celebrate it? Are they racists?

 

[Lonestar_logic]

I didn't say the government GAVE it to the Black Panthers. I'm saying that the government ALLOWED it to enter into the Black communities without problems.

They did however frame some Black Panthers of drug deals, which none of them ever touched drugs, they were strict on that.

This is what you said you lying ****!

"Crack-Cocaine? Do you know how that came about? The war the government waged against The Black Panther Party, which was a community organization intended to further strengthen black families by educating themselves and strengthening their communities. The administration at the time considered them a threat and waged an open war against them. Infiltrating them and sabotaging them, etc. And in the end unleashed the deadly drug upon their communities in a final successful attempt to crush them out of existence."

Now show proof that black panthers were framed. And you say that none of them done drugs and that is another lie. Huey Newton was a coke addict and it's been well documented.


Your crediblity or what's left of it, is fading away.

What you QUOTED from what Mark posted proves the truth of what he did say. I would still like a link to the part where he said the Black Panthers were framed for drugs. It is common knowledge that they were infiltrated and framed for other activities.

The prosecution of the drug trade, ironic to say the least given the SOURCE of its supply DID decimate the poorest and predominantly black AMERICAN communities:

From the same paper I quoted before, and the same bibliography:

However, the socially constructed image clearly shifts in the mid-eighties. In his history of dug policy, Baum notes that, by the end of 1985, media no longer show the cocaine user as white, rich, attractive and tragic. Now the user is black or Hispanic, and menacing as well. ​

When crack use did become more of a problem in the inner cities than suburbia, it came in tandem with the results of Reaganomics, the outsourcing of factory jobs, as well as white and black middle class flight from the cities. The only growth market in the inner city community was drug sales, and if one lived, one could make a comfortable living in the dismal1980s economy.

Without any critical thought, government acknowledgment of guilt, or media analysis regarding how the crack trade came about, the crack “epidemic” served the twin theories of flawed character and racial inferiority that white middle class communities find so comforting in dismissing urban poverty as just desserts for their own bad acts. As quiet as it is kept, while the distribution of crack and other forms of cocaine is conducted in the inner cities, use is still more far-reaching than many like to believe.

The War on Drugs and Racialized Incarceration

The war on drugs intensified in response to media portrayals of frightening black gang members and irresponsible welfare mothers smoking crack while pregnant. These were the public faces of the crack cocaine epidemic, and in response to the fear and disgust generated, the sentencing guidelines became stricter for the crack form of cocaine while sentencing for powdered cocaine remained at pre-crack levels. Budget allocations for the war on drugs were 50% more for incarceration and punishment than for treatment or prevention, and the war on the growth industry of the 1980s inner cities became a very profitable growth industry in itself.

Michelle Alexander explained the racial motivation of the Reagan Revolution regarding the administrations’ focus in the “War on Drugs:”

President Ronald Reagan officially declared the current drug war in 1982, when drug crime was declining, not rising. From the outset, the war had little to do with drug crime and nearly everything to do with racial politics. The drug war was part of a grand and highly successful Republican Party strategy of using racially coded political appeals on issues of crime and welfare to attract poor and working class white voters who were resentful of, and threatened by, desegregation, busing, and affirmative action. ​

Alexander went on to assess how successful in re-segregating and disenfranchising the black population these policies were.

• More black people are in prison or parole today than were slaves in 1850.
• “Felon disenfranchisement laws” effectively and legally evade the Fifteenth Amendment.
• Coupled with the label of “felons for life,” these laws also permit discrimination in housing, employment, education, and deny participation in the political and justice systems that decide the fates of those so branded, and the fate of their children.
• Because of the enormously high rate of imprisonment of black fathers, and increasingly of mothers, a black child today is less likely to live with both parents than they would have during slavery.

Tony Whitehead wrote about the “incarceration epidemic” in Marion Barry, the Incarceration Epidemic, and the Prison-to-Community Cultural Continuum in Washington, DC, and noted that at 6% of the US population, black males make up 70% of the population in prison or on parole, and that this has occurred even as crime rates have “steadily declined since the late 1990s.” Whitehead also noted that while consequences for individuals are well documented, less has been written about the consequences to the communities they are taken from and recycled back into, their families, or particularly their children.

The Smallest Victims

Andrea Victoria Martinez argued that the federal sentencing guidelines adopted in 1984 anticipated the removal of much bigger fish in the drug trade than the application of those guidelines have achieved. Martinez went on to note that the “true victims” of the “War on Drugs” have been the very people the government ostensibly went to war to protect, and that to avoid compounding those errors, there must be a policy shift away from crime and punishment towards treatment and prevention.

Instead of “kingpins,” the largest demographic imprisoned by the federal government have been “street-level dealers and couriers,” or the “single impoverished mothers in relationships or working for the targeted kingpins that are filling the prisons for drug offenses. It is the children of these all too often imprisoned mothers that eventually enter the criminal system themselves” The smallest victims of the federal governments systemic failure to apply the drug laws without prejudice are abandoned to a punishing and impersonal child welfare system that too often separates siblings at a time when they just experienced severance from their parents. The trauma caused by the upheavals and dislocations in these children’s lives are causative of their future contact with the penal system.

Because the “Adoption and Safe Families Act of 1977” mandated the states to “initiate the termination of parental rights proceedings” in the cases of children in placement for 15 of 22 months, mandatory drug sentencing guidelines too often serve to permanently rip children from their families. As a result of the racialized nature of the targeted arrests and sentencing in poor communities, loving and perfectly stable family members can be disqualified from keeping a child within the family by offering their home as refuge. This disqualification can be based on any minor criminal offense, “such as resisting arrest, or drug related offenses as much as five to ten years old.”

While the motivation of erring on the side of caution can be appreciated, the best interests of the children are not served by separating them from their family, and too often an allowed consideration becomes a mandatory requirement to prevent the reunification of family ties. This has grave consequences for children ripped from their parents, from their siblings, and finally from any sense of family or community care. What must these children think of a society that treats them so carelessly? How should they feel about such a society?

Bradley Schiller, in The Economics of Poverty and Discrimination noted that there is less resentment in a society that believes the system is fair, but when society perceives that winners win by creating losers and preventing mobility and participation in the political process through predatory practices in a rigged system, the clash between economic classes becomes much more relevant. The ‘War on Drugs” and the problems caused by the racialized application of the laws created just such a rigged system. The biggest “kingpins” responsible for flooding America’s streets with cocaine worked in or closely with our own federal government. While investigated and found guilty, not one was ever convicted. That is a stunning miscarriage of justice in itself, but when we consider who has born the ultimate burdens of the results of that crime, and the casual malice of the “War on Drugs,” it becomes a national disgrace.

You're an idiot if you think there's any truth to what Marc said. He never shown evidence that supported his claim and neither did you.

 

[MarcATL]

Looks like according to people like The Jester and his ilk, we need their permission to celebrate and promote our various rich heritages.

CLASSIC!!!!

 

[MarcATL]

You're an idiot.

WoW!!! What a profound explanation.

 

[Ozmar]

Looks like according to people like The Jester and his ilk, we need their permission to celebrate and promote our various rich heritages.

CLASSIC!!!!

It must be that whole white privilege thing, as in "we know best" for the brown people.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Legally there is no such thing as some of the labels that have been mentioned. If you're a "Polish American" or "Italian American" you are labelled a Caucasian or White American. Which gets back to my initial point. These labels are just stupid & divisive. But like i said,the Democrats love racial division. Without it,they might not ever win an Election again.

 

[Ozmar]

You're an idiot.

WoW!!! What a profound explanation.

Well look at his name...

Lonestar_logic is an oxymoron at best.

 

[MarcATL]

I think the LoneStar has to do with Texas...as you can see the logic does as well.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Mark, could you please link to where you stated that "the govt. gave drugs to the black panther party that wound up ending their little gang."
I can't find it.

You're not gonna believe that LYING liar are you?

You've been caught in several lies and anyone with a brain can see it. You claimed that the govt. "unleashed" crack cocaine into the neighborhoods and it resulted in the demise of the black panther party. That was a lie. You claimed that no member of the BPP were involved in drugs. That again was a lie. You claimed that the BPP was framed and I have to assume that is a lie also because you, like many of the other left wings loons. never supports claims with evidence.

You sir are a liar.

 

[Wicked Jester]

Looks like according to people like The Jester and his ilk, we need their permission to celebrate and promote our various rich heritages.

CLASSIC!!!!

When did I say that, ya' friggin' racist moron?

I'm of Norwegian/Greek DESCENT. I'm not "Norwegian/Greek American", I'm an AMERICAN and damn proud of it, unlike your sorry ass.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

Mark, could you please link to where you stated that "the govt. gave drugs to the black panther party that wound up ending their little gang."
I can't find it.

You're not gonna believe that LYING liar are you?

Nope, that's why I asked YOU.

Ah, so it never WAS said.

Shocked I tell you, and appalled!

Okay, more appalled than shocked.

You stupid shit, I just showed you where he made that claim. Damn you people are ******* dense!

 

[Wicked Jester]

Mark, could you please link to where you stated that "the govt. gave drugs to the black panther party that wound up ending their little gang."
I can't find it.

You're not gonna believe that LYING liar are you?

You've been caught in several lies and anyone with a brain can see it. You claimed that the govt. "unleashed" crack cocaine into the neighborhoods and it resulted in the demise of the black panther party. That was a lie. You claimed that no member of the BPP were involved in drugs. That again was a lie. You claimed that the BPP was framed and I have to assume that is a lie also because you, like many of the other left wings loons. never supports claims with evidence.

You sir are a liar.

Did he really make those claims?

If he did, he's a friggin' idiot to the core.

 

[Barb]

You're an idiot if you think there's any truth to what Marc said. He never shown evidence that supported his claim and neither did you.

I referenced a previous bibliography to support what I wrote, you tool.

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're an idiot.

WoW!!! What a profound explanation.

But accurate.

 

[LibocalypseNow]

Take away the stupid & divisive labels the Government forces on us and we're all just fellow Americans. "Fellow Americans" Hmm? See how much better and peaceful that sounds? Some just can't allow that to happen though. Some thrive on racial division and aren't ever going to let it go. Just look a little deeper the next time you see someone Race-Baiting. There's always an ulterior motive involved. The day our Government allows these stupid & divisive labels to be removed is the day the races will begin to live in harmony. Try not calling yourself an "African" American or a "Hispanic" American for awhile. It will be hard at first but you can do it. Good luck.

 

[MarcATL]

I never made those claims and the Liar from the Lone Star state is still insisting that I did.

WoW!!!

 

[Lonestar_logic]

You're not gonna believe that LYING liar are you?

You've been caught in several lies and anyone with a brain can see it. You claimed that the govt. "unleashed" crack cocaine into the neighborhoods and it resulted in the demise of the black panther party. That was a lie. You claimed that no member of the BPP were involved in drugs. That again was a lie. You claimed that the BPP was framed and I have to assume that is a lie also because you, like many of the other left wings loons. never supports claims with evidence.

You sir are a liar.

Did he really make those claims?

If he did, he's a friggin' idiot to the core.

Yes he did and he's been trying to spin it ever since. Not one iota of evidence mind you, just his say so.