Arabs get back West Bank land!!!

[Hoffstra]

In rare case, Palestinians reclaim settlement land

the land was stolen in the 1970s.

settlements were built there, but removed a few years ago.

..but Israel refused to give back the land to its rightful owners.

Finally, the courts have decided to give the land back to its owners and today they reclaimed their land.

VICTORY FOR PALESTINE!!!!!!!

 

[Roudy]

In rare case, Palestinians reclaim settlement land

the land was stolen in the 1970s.

settlements were built there, but removed a few years ago.

..but Israel refused to give back the land to its rightful owners.

Finally, the courts have decided to give the land back to its owners and today they reclaimed their land.

VICTORY FOR PALESTINE!!!!!!!

Oh wow, so Israeli courts decided to give land to the Palestinians. How exciting. Not.

 

[Hoffstra]

its a beautiful thing.

justice is done.

 

[Roudy]

Yes, Israel is a country of laws and equality. It's quite beautiful, considering the neighborhood.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YHbCGC6amdk]Arabs for Israel - X-Muslims for Israel - Hamas leader's son - YouTube[/ame]

 

[Hoffstra]

Yes, Israel is a country of laws and equality. It's quite beautiful, considering the neighborhood.

actually Israel usually ignores its own laws when it comes to the West Bank.

this is one very good exception.

 

[RoccoR]

et al,

As I said before, the Arab Palestinian will eventually get their land back (West Bank and Gaza).

In rare case, Palestinians reclaim settlement land

the land was stolen in the 1970s.

settlements were built there, but removed a few years ago.

..but Israel refused to give back the land to its rightful owners.

Finally, the courts have decided to give the land back to its owners and today they reclaimed their land.

VICTORY FOR PALESTINE!!!!!!!

Oh wow, so Israeli courts decided to give land to the Palestinians. How exciting. Not.

(COMMENT)

The Israelis cannot keep the land. It is sovereign territory of the State of Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

et al,

As I said before, the Arab Palestinian will eventually get their land back (West Bank and Gaza).

In rare case, Palestinians reclaim settlement land

the land was stolen in the 1970s.

settlements were built there, but removed a few years ago.

..but Israel refused to give back the land to its rightful owners.

Finally, the courts have decided to give the land back to its owners and today they reclaimed their land.

VICTORY FOR PALESTINE!!!!!!!

Oh wow, so Israeli courts decided to give land to the Palestinians. How exciting. Not.

(COMMENT)

The Israelis cannot keep the land. It is sovereign territory of the State of Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

How is Palestine more sovereign now than it was when they declared independence in 1948?

 

[R.C. Christian]

Sounds like a good thing.

 

[Moonglow]

Never ending see-saw.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; et al,

I think we've gone over this at least once a month.

How is Palestine more sovereign now than it was when they declared independence in 1948?

(COMMENT)

Even the Arab League knew that the attempt by Pasha Ahmed Hilmi and the Arab Higher Committee, in 1948 (months after Israeli Independence), to Declare Independence over the same territory Israel already accepted in GA/RES/181(II) --- was a no go.

However, in November 1988, the PLO accepted the legitimacy of GA/RES/181(II), and Declared Independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; et al,

I think we've gone over this at least once a month.

How is Palestine more sovereign now than it was when they declared independence in 1948?

(COMMENT)

Even the Arab League knew that the attempt by Pasha Ahmed Hilmi and the Arab Higher Committee, in 1948 (months after Israeli Independence), to Declare Independence over the same territory Israel already accepted in GA/RES/181(II) --- was a no go.

However, in November 1988, the PLO accepted the legitimacy of GA/RES/181(II), and Declared Independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

I know you keep saying that but it is not true.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; et al,

How is it "no true." It is a matter of record.

P F Tinmore; et al,

I think we've gone over this at least once a month.

How is Palestine more sovereign now than it was when they declared independence in 1948?

(COMMENT)

Even the Arab League knew that the attempt by Pasha Ahmed Hilmi and the Arab Higher Committee, in 1948 (months after Israeli Independence), to Declare Independence over the same territory Israel already accepted in GA/RES/181(II) --- was a no go.

However, in November 1988, the PLO accepted the legitimacy of GA/RES/181(II), and Declared Independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

I know you keep saying that but it is not true.

(COMMENT)

What is "not ture?"

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; et al,

How is it "no true." It is a matter of record.

P F Tinmore; et al,

I think we've gone over this at least once a month.


(COMMENT)

Even the Arab League knew that the attempt by Pasha Ahmed Hilmi and the Arab Higher Committee, in 1948 (months after Israeli Independence), to Declare Independence over the same territory Israel already accepted in GA/RES/181(II) --- was a no go.

However, in November 1988, the PLO accepted the legitimacy of GA/RES/181(II), and Declared Independence.

Most Respectfully,
R

I know you keep saying that but it is not true.

(COMMENT)

What is "not ture?"

Most Respectfully,
R

Resolution 181 transferred no land to Israel.

Israel never claimed nor did it ever recognize, either before or after its declaration, the borders proposed by resolution 181.

Palestine's declaration was within its already existing and still valid borders. There was no other claim on that land.

 

[Roudy]

et al,

As I said before, the Arab Palestinian will eventually get their land back (West Bank and Gaza).

Oh wow, so Israeli courts decided to give land to the Palestinians. How exciting. Not.

(COMMENT)

The Israelis cannot keep the land. It is sovereign territory of the State of Palestine.

Most Respectfully,
R

How is Palestine more sovereign now than it was when they declared independence in 1948?

What a joke that statement is.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; et al,

Your statement is correct, but entirely misleading. (In every piece of good propaganda, there is some truth.)

P F Tinmore; et al,

How is it "no true." It is a matter of record.

I know you keep saying that but it is not true.

(COMMENT)

What is "not ture?"

Most Respectfully,
R

Resolution 181 transferred no land to Israel.

Israel never claimed nor did it ever recognize, either before or after its declaration, the borders proposed by resolution 181.

Palestine's declaration was within its already existing and still valid borders. There was no other claim on that land.

(COMMENT)

Sovereignty is not a real estate transaction. Of all the Arab States that were created out of the various Mandates (in fact all the Mandates combined), there was no land transfer. Land transfers are related to ownership, not the creation of states and the establishment of sovereignty.

The Jewish Agency accepted provisions of GA/RES/181(II) in its Declaration of Independence, as well as, in the implementation process prior to the Declaration of Independence.

In spite of the heavy sacrifices which the Jewish State would have to make in this matter also, the Jewish Agency accepted the proposal for an economic union, terming it a promising and statesmanlike conception. The limit to the sacrifices to which the Jewish Agency could consent was clear: a Jewish State must have in its own hands those instruments of financing and economic control necessary to carry out large-scale Jewish immigration and the related economic development, and it must have independent access to those world sources of capital and raw materials indispensable for the accomplishment of these purposes.

"PART I.

"The consultations among the permanent members of the Security Council and informal communications with the Palestine Commission, the Mandatory Power, the Jewish Agency and the Arab Higher Committee, held since March 5, 1948, have developed the following facts regarding the situation with respect to Palestine:

"1. The Jewish Agency accepts the partition plan, considers it to be the irreducible minimum acceptable to the Jews, and insists upon the implementation of the plan without modification.

"2. The Arab Higher Committee rejects any solution based on partition in any form and considers that the only acceptable solution is the formation of one independent State for the whole of Palestine, whose constitution would be based on democratic principles and which would include adequate safeguards for minorities and the safety of the Holy Places.[​

/QUOTE]

SOURCE: 1949.I.13 31 December 1948

The Jewish Agency accepted the terms of GA/RES/181(II) and Declared Independence of "The State of Israel" on 15 May 1948. The Arab Higher Committee independently Declared Independence of the "All Palestine Government" on 28 September 1948. Anyone with eyes can see that the Administrative Council for Palestine formed by Arab Higher Committee, thinking the military outcome of the invasion by the five Arab Armies would turnout in their favor (all but assured), made their declaration 4 months after the the establishment of Israel and four months into the First Arab-Israeli War for independence.

NOTE: The Administrative Council for Palestine actually established the All Palestine Government on 22 September, 1948 by vote in Gaza. However, it took a week to secure Arab League approval. The 28 September date is the official "announcement date." The All Palestine Government declared sovereignty over the expanse of the territory formerly under British Mandate (less Jordan).​

(EPILOG)

So, out of the three claims you make, supra, only one has some truth to it - but even it is divisive.

The All Palestine Government disolved in 1950, after the establishment of the Armistice Lines. Ahmed Hilmi Pasha (self-proclaimed "Premier" of the Government and former General of the defeated enemy empire of the Ottomans) was the first and last Prime Minister of the All Palestine Government. He later became the Military District Governor of the West Bank under Jordanian Occupation.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Lipush]

In rare case, Palestinians reclaim settlement land

the land was stolen in the 1970s.

settlements were built there, but removed a few years ago.

..but Israel refused to give back the land to its rightful owners.

Finally, the courts have decided to give the land back to its owners and today they reclaimed their land.

VICTORY FOR PALESTINE!!!!!!!

Jewish settlers were exchange with Arab settlers.

Wow.

Now they'll kill more Jews, to show how thankful they are.

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore; et al,

Your statement is correct, but entirely misleading. (In every piece of good propaganda, there is some truth.)

P F Tinmore; et al,

How is it "no true." It is a matter of record.


(COMMENT)

What is "not ture?"

Most Respectfully,
R

Resolution 181 transferred no land to Israel.

Israel never claimed nor did it ever recognize, either before or after its declaration, the borders proposed by resolution 181.

Palestine's declaration was within its already existing and still valid borders. There was no other claim on that land.

(COMMENT)

Sovereignty is not a real estate transaction. Of all the Arab States that were created out of the various Mandates (in fact all the Mandates combined), there was no land transfer. Land transfers are related to ownership, not the creation of states and the establishment of sovereignty.

You always try to smokescreen the issues, don't you?

You know, or should know, that when I speak about the people "owning" a country or a country "owning" land I am not speaking about deeds to little pieces property.

Somebody who lives in an apartment in NYC "owns" the US as much as a farmer in Missouri. The deed to a piece of land is irrelevant. People "own" their country by right not by the purchase of land. Everybody has equal rights to their country.

If somebody from Argentina buys land in the US it is still US land. It surely does not belong to Argentina. When the Jews bought land in Palestine it was still Palestinian land. When land is purchased it does not remove that land from a country.

There were no transfers in the countries created out of the ottoman Empire. Lebanon belonged to the Lebanese. Syria belonged to the Syrians. Palestine belonged to the Palestinians. The only transfer required was Palestinian land to Israel. That has never happened.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore; et al,

Yes, and you should know that none of those sovereign countries today existed at the time of the Treaty of Sevres.

P F Tinmore; et al,

Your statement is correct, but entirely misleading. (In every piece of good propaganda, there is some truth.)

Resolution 181 transferred no land to Israel.

Israel never claimed nor did it ever recognize, either before or after its declaration, the borders proposed by resolution 181.

Palestine's declaration was within its already existing and still valid borders. There was no other claim on that land.

(COMMENT)

Sovereignty is not a real estate transaction. Of all the Arab States that were created out of the various Mandates (in fact all the Mandates combined), there was no land transfer. Land transfers are related to ownership, not the creation of states and the establishment of sovereignty.

There were no transfers in the countries created out of the ottoman Empire. Lebanon belonged to the Lebanese. Syria belonged to the Syrians. Palestine belonged to the Palestinians. The only transfer required was Palestinian land to Israel. That has never happened.

(COMMENT)

There was even a territory called Lebanon; it being the part included in the territory of Syria. And Palestine was an undefined region with no borders.

ARTICLE 95.

The High Contracting Parties agree to entrust, by application of the provisions of Article 22, the administration of Palestine, within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers, to a Mandatory to be selected by the said Powers. The Mandatory will be responsible for putting into effect the declaration originally made on November 2, 1917, by the British Government, and adopted by the other Allied Powers, in favour of the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people, it being clearly understood that nothing shall be done which may prejudice the civil and religious rights of existing non-Jewish communities in Palestine, or the rights and political status enjoyed by Jews in any other country.

The Mandatory undertakes to appoint as soon as possible a special Commission to study and regulate all questions and claims relating to the different religious communities. In the composition of this Commission the religious interests concerned will be taken into account. The Chairman of the Commission will be appointed by the Council of the League of Nations.​

ARTICLE 96.

The terms of the mandates in respect of the above territories will be formulated by the Principal Allied Powers and submitted to the Council of the League of Nations for approval.​

ARTICLE 97.

Turkey hereby undertakes, in accordance with the provisions of Article 132, to accept any decisions which may be taken in relation to the questions dealt with in this Section.​

SOURCE: SECTION VII. SYRIA, MESOPOTAMIA, PALESTINE.

Unfortunately, your theory that Lebanon belonged to the Lebanese; Syria belonged to the Syrians; and that Palestine belonged to the Palestinians is not correct. Lebanon was partitioned off from Syrian territory. Jordan was partition off from Palestinian territory. And Israel was partition off under the UN Partition Plan via GA/RES/181(II); call at the time: The Jewish State.

The State of Israel was created when the Jewish Agency and people exercised their right of self-determination in full cooperation with the Mandatory Power and the UN Palestine Commission acting under the direction of the Security Council. There was no land transfer.​

Remember, even the territory of Palestine is an artificial assignment by the Allied Powers (within such boundaries as may be determined by the Principal Allied Powers).

Your position is not so different for that taken by the Arab Higher Committee back in 1949; a position which has evolved little over the last half century.

That resolution disappointed the Arabs, and destroyed the hope and faith which they had put in the United Nations. They saw that the recommendations to partition Palestine was contrary to the aims, principles, and spirit of the United Nations charter, and their reaction was one of deep concern and anxiety. They therefore rejected the resolution, and declared their refusal to be bound by it, or by anything deriving therefrom. The said resolution not only failed to respect Arab demands, but was in complete violation of the spirit of the charter, contrary to the principle of self-determination, and embodied the elements of aggression and injustice. For the Arabs of Palestine are the real owners the country, and they compose by far the greatest majority of its ‘‘lawful inhabitants."

SOURCE: A/AC.25/Org/9 4 May 1949

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

Yes, and you should know that none of those sovereign countries today existed at the time of the Treaty of Sevres.

Irrelevant point.

 

[P F Tinmore]

There was even a territory called Lebanon; it being the part included in the territory of Syria. And Palestine was an undefined region with no borders.

Irrelevant point. Palestine's international borders were defined by 1922.