Rhodie it is people like you who are truly the problem.
How is that? Because i anger the anti-semites by detailing the actual history, rather than their propaganda?
I advocate a 2-state solution, with israel inside the greenline only, but i also know - as anyone honest and intelligent enough to admit - that if israel were to completely pull out of the WB today, IT WOULD NOT MAKE THE SLIGHTEST BIT OF DIFFERENCE.
The reason i created the other thread about minorities in arab muslim-majority nations is that arab muslims will not tolerate the self-determination or sovereignty of other groups in the mideast.
Once you embrace and understand that sentence, everything else becomes irrelevant. Because the bottom line, is that it does not matter what israel does or does not do, the arab muslims will not tolerate her existence, period.
A great solution that would serve well in this situation would be one that I think we all probably learned back in grade school "two wrongs don't make a right." Yes Jews have been persecuted in many Arab countries, aside from by the Nazis, but because that happened, how does that warrant absolute destruction and death of people some of which who weren't anymore powerful to change their leadership, then you or I were to kick George Bush out of office.
So now it also the jews' fault that the local arabs picked shitty leadership?
And in 1948, when the arab armies attacked, was that something that the jews, after a massive war, should have just said to the local arabs, ok, we understand your fellow arab muslims are assholes, even though they fought on your behalf - but since the majority of you local arabs left and did not directly fight, we forgive you...
C'mon, you keep pressing for understanding of the arabs' side, and that they bear little responsibility, BUT the israelis are supposed to just accept and tolerate endless wars, terrorism and attacks, and just say, "its ok, we'll just give you one more chance..." And you talk about grade-school level viewpoints...
What's funny is you don't even make at least a pathetic attempt of refuting editec's statements, you just pull the perverbial "oh yeah well what about this that was done to the Jewish people" tired played out argument. Yeah it's kind of hard to argue with the facts isn't it lol?
Because his rant was so absurd and one-sided; the usual canard "the jews stole the land" tripe that it was not worth responding to.
I mean Rhodie another example for instance if you have a crazy guy who throws stuff, or maybe occasionaly takes a few shots at your house, what would the best solution be? Dealing with the guy who is the actual problem to you, and those who live around you? Or are you going to go down to that guys neighborhood, and make everyone who lives anywhere near him suffer, have their homes bulldozed or destroyed?
The IDF for the most part, has destroyed the houses of suicide bombers, which is a far lesser punishment than i would be dishing out. They have also destroyed/cleared out orange groves used by hamas and other winners to conduct sniper fire from...
My guess would be that even though yeah his neighbors know that guy is a nutjob. But they really don't like being in danger, and knowing that you in no way differentiate between them and the crazy guy, my guess is they'd probably join up with the crazy guy in the hopes of putting up at least somewhat of a fight against you. Which in turn begins they back and forth cycle of well you shoot me i'll shoot you. Low and behold here you find yourself in a conflict that is centuries old with no sign of ending.
But again, place SOME responsibility on the arabs. THEY voted to put that crazy guy in power - i.e., hamas, if i understand your analogy - and so many scream how hamas is the democratically elected leadership of the arabs, so they should not be shunned after Bush called for a vote.
You cannot have it both ways, and say that, and then turn around and claim: "well, they are bad people, and therefore even though the local arabs elected them, they shouldn't have to bear any responsibility for doing so."
But honestly I really do beg to differ, think about it. Your ancestors have no claim to anything in this land that they began stealing not even 600 hundred years ago, and my native ancestors have lived in these lands since before the time of Jesus. But I don't see you standing up telling the United States goverment that my people deserve to be resettled in their ancestral homelands, even if the homes of families have to be bulldozed to make way for it, but you'll be all for all of that because the Israelis are doing that to the Arabs, and then deny any wrong doing on the part of the Israelis, am I sensing a bit of a racially motivated bias rhodescholar lol??
The only bias i see here is towards the arabs, whom you seem totally unwilling to place any responsibility on for this conflict.
Let me ask you this, what mistakes would you list that the arab muslims have made in the conflict? Are there any you think they should bear the responsibility for?
