Arab-Israeli conflict Q&A

[montelatici]

 

[montelatici]

 

[RoccoR]

Humanity,

This has to do with the range and capacity of modern weapons.

In what way are the borders indefensible?

You've never seen a map, boy?

Why is it that people cannot answer a freaking question around here....
Always a question with a question...

(COMMENT)

It is about 45 miles between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea.

• A Iranian Ghassed 3 AGM (Air-to-Ground Missile) can be fired 62 miles (from deep inside any of the surrounding Arab controlled territory) away with a 2000 lbs warhead.
• A Chinese made WM-120-type multi-barrel rocket launcher system can be fired from 74 miles away.
• A typical AAM (Air-to-Air Missile) manufactured today (21st Century) has the range of between 49-74 miles.

The natural and defensible topological feature to the East is the Jordan Rift Valley. The Central Mountain Ridge, running north-south, from the Jezreel Valley to the Negev Desert, is a essential landscape to maintain for air defense and to keep clean of hostile artillery and rocket positions.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[montelatici]

So, there can never be a sovereign Palestinian state. Apartheid is the only solution. Own goal, moron.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

At the opening of hostilities, the territory agreed upon by the Jewish Agency and the UN Palestine Commission, was that approved by the General Assembly was outlined in Resolution 181(II), and Annex "A".

Where was Israel's land? What were its borders?

(COMMENT)

However the military invasion of the Arab League Armies changed the borders. And the Forward Edge of the Battle Area (FEBA) became the 1949 Armistice Lines. Subsequent wars further adjusted the Armistice Lines to the new resulting FEBA.

There were no borders prior to the Arab-Israeli Conflict except that designated as the Territory to with the Mandate of Palestine applied; and the quasi-border for the Article 25 territory for Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

At the opening of hostilities, the territory agreed upon by the Jewish Agency and the UN Palestine Commission, was that approved by the General Assembly was outlined in Resolution 181(II), and Annex "A".

Where was Israel's land? What were its borders?

(COMMENT)

However the military invasion of the Arab League Armies changed the borders. And the Forward Edge of the Battle Area (FEBA) became the 1949 Armistice Lines. Subsequent wars further adjusted the Armistice Lines to the new resulting FEBA.

There were no borders prior to the Arab-Israeli Conflict except that designated as the Territory to with the Mandate of Palestine applied; and the quasi-border for the Article 25 territory for Jordan.

Most Respectfully,
R

When did Israel declare the resolution 181 proposed to be its international borders?

When did the UN transfer that land to Israel?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Over and Over again.

When did Israel declare the resolution 181 proposed to be its international borders?

When did the UN transfer that land to Israel?

(COMMENT)

• ISSUED PROCLAMATION DECLARING FOLLOWING “ON NOVEMBER 29 1947 GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF UNITED NATIONS ADOPTED RESOLUTION FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF INDEPENDENT JEWISH STATE IN PALESTINE

The UN doesn't transfer land. They are not a Real-Estate Agency.

The Jewish Agency coordinated their exercise of the "right to self-determination" with the UN Palestine Commission, after having completed the "Step Preparatory to Independence IAW the Resolution passed by the General Assembly; and Article 76b of the UN Charter:

b. to promote the political, economic, social, and educational advancement of the inhabitants of the trust territories, and their progressive development towards self-government or independence as may be appropriate to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned, and as may be provided by the terms of each trusteeship agreement;​

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Over and Over again.

When did Israel declare the resolution 181 proposed to be its international borders?

When did the UN transfer that land to Israel?

(COMMENT)

• ISSUED PROCLAMATION DECLARING FOLLOWING “ON NOVEMBER 29 1947 GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF UNITED NATIONS ADOPTED RESOLUTION FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF INDEPENDENT JEWISH STATE IN PALESTINE

The UN doesn't transfer land. They are not a Real-Estate Agency.

The Jewish Agency coordinated their exercise of the "right to self-determination" with the UN Palestine Commission, after having completed the "Step Preparatory to Independence IAW the Resolution passed by the General Assembly; and Article 76b of the UN Charter:

b. to promote the political, economic, social, and educational advancement of the inhabitants of the trust territories, and their progressive development towards self-government or independence as may be appropriate to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned, and as may be provided by the terms of each trusteeship agreement;​

Most Respectfully,
R

Then where did Israel get the land it sits on?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Over and Over again.

When did Israel declare the resolution 181 proposed to be its international borders?

When did the UN transfer that land to Israel?

(COMMENT)

• ISSUED PROCLAMATION DECLARING FOLLOWING “ON NOVEMBER 29 1947 GENERAL ASSEMBLY OF UNITED NATIONS ADOPTED RESOLUTION FOR ESTABLISHMENT OF INDEPENDENT JEWISH STATE IN PALESTINE

The UN doesn't transfer land. They are not a Real-Estate Agency.

The Jewish Agency coordinated their exercise of the "right to self-determination" with the UN Palestine Commission, after having completed the "Step Preparatory to Independence IAW the Resolution passed by the General Assembly; and Article 76b of the UN Charter:

b. to promote the political, economic, social, and educational advancement of the inhabitants of the trust territories, and their progressive development towards self-government or independence as may be appropriate to the particular circumstances of each territory and its peoples and the freely expressed wishes of the peoples concerned, and as may be provided by the terms of each trusteeship agreement;​

Most Respectfully,
R

Including taking over the UN run international city of Jerusalem?

Got a link?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a combination of the territory under which the resolution was declared, the first Armistice was concluded, and the line on which the 1967 war ended.

Then where did Israel get the land it sits on?

(COMMENT)

What is your point?

v/r
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a combination of the territory under which the resolution was declared, the first Armistice was concluded, and the line on which the 1967 war ended.

Then where did Israel get the land it sits on?

(COMMENT)

What is your point?

v/r
R

A legitimate state needs a defined territory.

Where is it?

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Did I mention "Jerusalem?" No, I don't think so.

Including taking over the UN run international city of Jerusalem?

Got a link?

(COMMENT)

Jerusalem has its own legend and history:

• 1948: The Jewish army takes control of western Jerusalem, as well as a corridor from the coastal regions. Jordan occupies the eastern parts with all the holy places.
• 1950: West Jerusalem is declared capital of Israel. East Jerusalem becomes part of Jordan, when the West Bank is annexed.
• 1967 June: Israel occupies all of Jerusalem as well as all land on the western side of Jordan river.
• 1980: The undivided Jerusalem is declared the eternal capital of Israel. This is received with protests from an entire international community, which with only 2 exceptions move embassies to Tel Aviv.
• 1981: The Old City of Jerusalem is designated a UNESCO World Heritage site.
• 1993 September: With the Oslo Agreement the future political status of Jerusalem is defined as a debatable issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Did I mention "Jerusalem?" No, I don't think so.

Including taking over the UN run international city of Jerusalem?

Got a link?

(COMMENT)

Jerusalem has its own legend and history:

• 1948: The Jewish army takes control of western Jerusalem, as well as a corridor from the coastal regions. Jordan occupies the eastern parts with all the holy places.
• 1950: West Jerusalem is declared capital of Israel. East Jerusalem becomes part of Jordan, when the West Bank is annexed.
• 1967 June: Israel occupies all of Jerusalem as well as all land on the western side of Jordan river.
• 1980: The undivided Jerusalem is declared the eternal capital of Israel. This is received with protests from an entire international community, which with only 2 exceptions move embassies to Tel Aviv.
• 1981: The Old City of Jerusalem is designated a UNESCO World Heritage site.
• 1993 September: With the Oslo Agreement the future political status of Jerusalem is defined as a debatable issue.

Most Respectfully,
R

Nice deflection.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Like several other counties in the world, it is in Armistice dispute.

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a combination of the territory under which the resolution was declared, the first Armistice was concluded, and the line on which the 1967 war ended.

Then where did Israel get the land it sits on?

(COMMENT)

What is your point?

v/r
R

A legitimate state needs a defined territory.

Where is it?

(COMMENT)

Israel is recognized.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Like several other counties in the world, it is in Armistice dispute.

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a combination of the territory under which the resolution was declared, the first Armistice was concluded, and the line on which the 1967 war ended.

Then where did Israel get the land it sits on?

(COMMENT)

What is your point?

v/r
R

A legitimate state needs a defined territory.

Where is it?

(COMMENT)

Israel is recognized.

Most Respectfully,
R

Political recognition doesn't mean anything.

Where is it?

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Like several other counties in the world, it is in Armistice dispute.

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a combination of the territory under which the resolution was declared, the first Armistice was concluded, and the line on which the 1967 war ended.

Then where did Israel get the land it sits on?

(COMMENT)

What is your point?

v/r
R

A legitimate state needs a defined territory.

Where is it?

(COMMENT)

Israel is recognized.

Most Respectfully,
R

None of Palestine's borders are disputed.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, maybe that is true (maybe)!

None of Palestine's borders are disputed.

(OBSERVATION)

Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;

Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD) Key Facts

• The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
• A basic principle of international law is that no state may acquire territory by force. Israel has no valid claim to any part of the territory it occupied in 1967.
• The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over any part of the oPt, including East Jerusalem.

Borders:

• Israel has no valid claim to any part of the West Bank or Gaza Strip. However, in the interest of peace, we have been willing to discuss minor, equitable, and mutually-agreed territorial exchanges should we decide that it is in our interest to do so.

(COMMENT)

I suppose that this is close.

An "A"-to-"B" subtraction if the territory, less Palestine, must be an indication when including the two treaties and the two outstanding Armistice arrangements.

Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Grendelyn]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Like several other counties in the world, it is in Armistice dispute.

P F Tinmore, et al,

It is a combination of the territory under which the resolution was declared, the first Armistice was concluded, and the line on which the 1967 war ended.

Then where did Israel get the land it sits on?

(COMMENT)

What is your point?

v/r
R

A legitimate state needs a defined territory.

Where is it?

(COMMENT)

Israel is recognized.

Most Respectfully,
R

None of Palestine's borders are disputed.

True . . . unless, of course, you happen to be a psychotic, Israeli land-thief whom Zionists euphemistically refer to as being a 'settler'. ~ Susan

 

[P F Tinmore]

P F Tinmore, et al,

Oh, maybe that is true (maybe)!

None of Palestine's borders are disputed.

(OBSERVATION)

Affirms its determination to contribute to the achievement of the inalienable rights of the Palestinian people and the attainment of a peaceful settlement in the Middle East that ends the occupation that began in 1967 and fulfils the vision of two States: an independent, sovereign, democratic, contiguous and viable State of Palestine living side by side in peace and security with Israel on the basis of the pre-1967 borders;

Affirms the need to enable the Palestinian people to exercise their sovereignty over their territory occupied since 1967;

PLO Negotiations Affairs Department (NAD) Key Facts

• The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
• A basic principle of international law is that no state may acquire territory by force. Israel has no valid claim to any part of the territory it occupied in 1967.
• The international community does not recognize Israeli sovereignty over any part of the oPt, including East Jerusalem.

Borders:

• Israel has no valid claim to any part of the West Bank or Gaza Strip. However, in the interest of peace, we have been willing to discuss minor, equitable, and mutually-agreed territorial exchanges should we decide that it is in our interest to do so.

(COMMENT)

I suppose that this is close.

An "A"-to-"B" subtraction if the territory, less Palestine, must be an indication when including the two treaties and the two outstanding Armistice arrangements.

Most Respectfully,
R

The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.​

Based on bullshit. It is not a border.

 

[RoccoR]

P F Tinmore, et al,

This is an example of the befuddled and confused nature of the Palestinian and the varied perceptions they hold in contemporary times.

The 1967 border is the internationally-recognized border between Israel and the oPt.
Based on bullshit. It is not a border.

(COMMENT)

The bewildered and incohesive political positions that the many Palestinian mindsets exhibit is a very strong contributing factor to the lack of progress in the development of peace.

Like yourself, there are those still stuck in time and unable to grasp the realities of the here and now. Somehow, they think that the clock can be rolled back and the decisions made by the Arab Palestinians can be reversed.

We have to work with what is in play today, or allow the Arab Palestinians to continue to pursue their unproductive course.

Most Respectfully,
R