AOC and other 'Squad' members need to stop referring to Israel as an "apartheid state"

[alang1216]

E. Jerusalem, should be under the authority of the PA,

Why?

Sorry. . . You are right.

It is none of my business how they solve this.

Either it should be under the authority of the PA, or all 6 million Palestinians in Israel should have citizenship.

Shit or get off the pot.

Unfortunately it is our business. We have put ourselves firmly on the side of Israel and are not viewed as honest brokers by the Palestinians or most of the rest of the world. Any peace plans we propose are viewed with suspicion by the Palestinians.

How's that suspicion working out for the Palestinians?

The opposite of suspicion is trust. Who should the Palestinians trust to have their best interests? Other Arab governments? The Israeli government? The US government?

Arafat? Hamas? Abbas?

Abbas is the best of the three but I wouldn't trust any of them, would you? If they're all you got the Palestinians are screwed so it really doesn't matter what they do.

 

[MisterBeale]

E. Jerusalem, should be under the authority of the PA,

Why?

Sorry. . . You are right.

It is none of my business how they solve this.

Either it should be under the authority of the PA, or all 6 million Palestinians in Israel should have citizenship.

Shit or get off the pot.

Unfortunately it is our business. We have put ourselves firmly on the side of Israel and are not viewed as honest brokers by the Palestinians or most of the rest of the world. Any peace plans we propose are viewed with suspicion by the Palestinians.

Well. . . to a certain extent, you are right. WE give aid to both sides, so in that context, you are right, that makes it our responsibility.

Other than that, no, it is not our concern.

My position? WE should just stop all aid, and leave them to solve their problems.

 

[Lesh]

This whole thing is Netanyahu trying to stay in power

He needs a "crisis" to build a coalition that will keep him in power

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

What makes Israel an apartheid state?

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Obviously AOC and those other darkies just hate Israel and America for that matter...and Israel should arrest them for blasphemy and inciting hate

 

[Lesh]

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Is that the case in the West Bank?

Then why are settlements expanding?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Is that the case in the West Bank?

Then why are settlements expanding?

Because land is important to the overall economy........and having Israelis own that land brings up the value of it -- and isn't that better for everyone?

 

[MisterBeale]

E. Jerusalem, should be under the authority of the PA,

Why?

Sorry. . . You are right.

It is none of my business how they solve this.

Either it should be under the authority of the PA, or all 6 million Palestinians in Israel should have citizenship.

Shit or get off the pot.

Unfortunately it is our business. We have put ourselves firmly on the side of Israel and are not viewed as honest brokers by the Palestinians or most of the rest of the world. Any peace plans we propose are viewed with suspicion by the Palestinians.

How's that suspicion working out for the Palestinians?

The opposite of suspicion is trust. Who should the Palestinians trust to have their best interests? Other Arab governments? The Israeli government? The US government?

On the one hand, throughout history, the PA has had a few opportunities to solve this, before the Netanyahu government came to power and showed its intention to not respect the sovereignty and integrity of the West Bank.

. . . they blew it, they blew their chance.

On the other? The Arabs in the land of Israel have always known they were out gunned, and have always been overwhelmed economically and technologically by the global financial and corporate interests and players around the globe, whether they be the Jewish or Christian interests in the EU and America. They let their silly religious tomes dictate their way forward instead of Realpolitik.

IMO? I am sure this was probably a calculated move by the global oligarchs, because the leaders in the Knesset never really wanted a solution. Having the whole situation stay in a state of limbo was good for their goals, we have many quotes from them in the past that indicate this about their goals.

Hell, even America's own Native Americans have gotten a better deal from their government.

Israel should be responsible for this situation, they have all the power. . . if not for the Palestinians. . then their own people. . . if they were a moral people that saw "the other," as human beings, deserving as the same rights as them, should be free to live their lives as they so chose. But we all know, this is not the case. And the Israeli political elites have no intention to ever make this be the reality on the ground.

It would be as simple as telling the PA, hold a vote, "ONE STATE OR TWO STATES," majority wins. If one state? They pass a law, like America's 14th Amendment.

IF it were ONE STATE that wins the referendum, there would have been millions of Pali voters that could have influenced who was on the bench of the Israeli Supreme court. Not that who owns which property in a ONE STATE solution matters much at that point. Once you have one state, you work on tying a nation together, not creating discord. . . like our media does here. . . for some odd reason.

If TWO STATE wins the referendum , then make the appropriate accommodations, and the spark that lit the latest conflagration would have never happened, b/c the jurisdiction would have been in E. Jerusalem. And thus, it would have fallen to a Palestinian Court to decide.

IMO? The ruling elites in Israel LIKE the situation just as it is.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

Abbas is the best of the three but I wouldn't trust any of them, would you? If they're all you got the Palestinians are screwed so it really doesn't matter what they do.

Based on the screwing they've been giving the "Palestinians" since the 60s, obviously not.

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the sovereignty and integrity of the West Bank.

That's funny.

 

[MisterBeale]

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Is that the case in the West Bank?

Then why are settlements expanding?

Biff is conflating Palestinian citizens of Israel, with Palestinians who fall under the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority.

They do not carry the same passport, so it is not an honest argument.

 

[MisterBeale]

the sovereignty and integrity of the West Bank.

That's funny.

To a die hard Zionist? Of course it is.

The West bank belongs to the Jews, and the Arabs there are just interlopers that need to be dealt with.

 

[Indeependent]

This little ***** and her fellow "squad" members need to stop creating hysteria about the legitimate state of Israel.


News|Israel-Palestine conflict

US legislator AOC calls Israel an ‘apartheid state’​

US progressives have criticised the Biden administration’s support for Israel amid its Gaza bombardment.

US legislator AOC calls Israel an ‘apartheid state’

US progressives have criticised the Biden administration's support for Israel amid its Gaza bombardment.

www.aljazeera.com

My son met AOC; he said she's one of the dumbest people he's ever met.

 

[Indeependent]

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Is that the case in the West Bank?

Then why are settlements expanding?

Biff is conflating Palestinian citizens of Israel, with Palestinians who fall under the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority.

They do not carry the same passport, so it is not an honest argument.

Palestinians who fall under the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority

The Palestinian Authority is as corrupt as the US Congress.

 

[MisterBeale]

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Is that the case in the West Bank?

Then why are settlements expanding?

Because land is important to the overall economy........and having Israelis own that land brings up the value of it -- and isn't that better for everyone?

 

[MisterBeale]

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Is that the case in the West Bank?

Then why are settlements expanding?

Biff is conflating Palestinian citizens of Israel, with Palestinians who fall under the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority.

They do not carry the same passport, so it is not an honest argument.

Palestinians who fall under the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority

The Palestinian Authority is as corrupt as the US Congress.

AND?

 

[Biff_Poindexter]

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Is that the case in the West Bank?

Then why are settlements expanding?

Biff is conflating Palestinian citizens of Israel, with Palestinians who fall under the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority.

They do not carry the same passport, so it is not an honest argument.

All Palestinians have equal rights to Jews -- and that is probably the Jews worst mistake....look at all of the trouble it has caused.....

They should have just expelled all of them way back before there was even a Balfour declaration....******* Rothchilds always sticking their nose in stuff

 

[MisterBeale]

This little ***** and her fellow "squad" members need to stop creating hysteria about the legitimate state of Israel.


News|Israel-Palestine conflict

US legislator AOC calls Israel an ‘apartheid state’​

US progressives have criticised the Biden administration’s support for Israel amid its Gaza bombardment.

US legislator AOC calls Israel an ‘apartheid state’

US progressives have criticised the Biden administration's support for Israel amid its Gaza bombardment.

www.aljazeera.com

My son met AOC; he said she's one of the dumbest people he's ever met.

I wouldn't doubt that.

 

[Indeependent]

The Arabs there have full rights just like the Israelis.....Arabs have the same property rights, they have the same freedom of travel for the most part, etc, etc, etc....

Is that the case in the West Bank?

Then why are settlements expanding?

Biff is conflating Palestinian citizens of Israel, with Palestinians who fall under the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority.

They do not carry the same passport, so it is not an honest argument.

Palestinians who fall under the Jurisdiction of the Palestinian Authority

The Palestinian Authority is as corrupt as the US Congress.

AND?

Life sucks for them.
The British Colonies put their lives on the line for freedom.
When are the Palis going to put their lives on the line for freedom from the PA/Hamas/Hezballah/etc?

 

[Toddsterpatriot]

the sovereignty and integrity of the West Bank.

That's funny.

To a die hard Zionist? Of course it is.

The West bank belongs to the Jews, and the Arabs there are just interlopers that need to be dealt with.

They didn't have sovereignty before.....when did they acquire it?

 

[Dogmaphobe]

Abbas is the best of the three but I wouldn't trust any of them, would you? If they're all you got the Palestinians are screwed so it really doesn't matter what they do.

Based on the screwing they've been giving the "Palestinians" since the 60s, obviously not.

"Palestinians" must be the only people in the world who had to be TOLD what to call themselves.

I am old enough to remember the days when pan-Arabism was the rule, and nobody called themselves "Palestinian". Israel kicks that bellicose piece of shit Nasser in the ass, Arafat rises in power locally, and voila' -- a brand new people complete with a phony history.

It was all about creating a propaganda apparatus to appeal to useful idiots from the beginning. No longer was it Arabs persecuting Jews, but Jews picking on this phony, made up new underdog.

The propaganda techniques the Arabs of the Levant learned through their collaboration with the Nazis before and during WW2 have certainly paid off.