Anyone?

[The Sage of Main Street]

You would be removing the only opportunity millions of people have to get educated, and particularly poor people/minorities. Crime and chaos would get a lot worse in a society like that. The tragedy of people never realizing their potential would explode exponentially. What you want should never and will never happen.

Criminals Are Mutant Enemies of the Human Race


Chaos and collapse would happen, but you're overreaching, driven by an aggressive Woke agenda, when you preach that anything but subhuman criminality drives a criminal to crime.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

All those things are taught in schools now.

Not in my kids schools

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I have indirect experience with this as my wife's family lives in Asia.

There was a HUGE uproar in her family a few years ago when one of the younger males tested below the top levels (20th percentile), despite extensive tutoring.

As such he was classed into a room, with students who ranked at a testing levels far below his parent's desire.

Asia, particularly Japan, and China are driven by standardized testing, and placement.

The point being that the subjects taught in them are taught at a higher level.

Competition is high, pressure is high, but the depth of the subjects is also high.

As such the university preparation is much greater because students of like IQ can be grouped and excel together.

All You've Proved Is That College Is for Coolies

America can beat that by offering immediate material rewards for high grades. Unlike sports, winning is not enough of an incentive. Nor is being rewarded 5 to 20 years afterwards. Under our indentured-servitude system, the reward for achievement is not worth the sacrifice the economic bullies demand of us.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Supported literacy?!?.....LMFAO!

We have fucking scads of college freshmen who need to take remedial English and math before they can be allowed into any higher class work.....They think Oliver Twist is a fucking dance move!

supported literacy.....lololololl

The reason these people need remedial instruction is that they should have never been in college in the first place.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Resegregate schools. Or at least class children based upon aptitude.

A Person Does Not Grow Up by Brains Alone

That would be as ineffective as transferring all the star athletes to one special school for jocks. Nerds need social contact with average people.

 

[Gabe Lackmann]

All You've Proved Is That College Is for Coolies

America can beat that by offering immediate material rewards for high grades. Unlike sports, winning is not enough of an incentive. Nor is being rewarded 5 to 20 years afterwards. Under our indentured-servitude system, the reward for achievement is not worth the sacrifice the economic bullies demand of us.

I fully understand that a direct system transfer if not practicable.

But be content to be mediocre?

I think there is a medium.

I think that university has its place.

I also know that university is not for everyone.

In order to push this fallacy of university we have deflated requirements.

As such we have diluted the end product.

We can't all be in the NBA, and we cannot all be heart surgeons.

Standardized tested, and placement separates the wheat from the chaff.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

well your experiences are merely anecdotal Unkotare and i don't know that i should believe a damn word you say and i have answered your questions as IF IT MATTERS.

You can ask every teacher on this message board, and not one agrees with your ridiculous claims.

 

[Admiral Rockwell Tory]

Not in my kids schools

I am sorry that you live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. Perhaps you should consider moving to the United States of Flyover Country.

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

I am sorry that you live in the People's Republic of Massachusetts. Perhaps you should consider moving to the United States of Flyover Country.

I am I am but my mother in law is older and ill. We cannot leave.

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

Hi.

It's nice to find things we can agree on. It's ridiculous that bright students so often have to be stuck at the pace of normal students. I think that's why a lot of gifted people act out so much in school; they're fucking bored.

Students Are Only Motivated If They Team Up and Compete for a Reward.

Does a star high-school athlete get bored because he's so much better than the other players? Only narrow-minded people fail to study and recommend the way to success of developing athletic talent as an insight into America's utter failure to develop our most intelligent human resources.

 

[Unkotare]

I have indirect experience with this as my wife's family lives in Asia.

There was a HUGE uproar in her family a few years ago when one of the younger males tested below the top levels (20th percentile), despite extensive tutoring.

As such he was classed into a room, with students who ranked at a testing levels far below his parent's desire.

Asia, particularly Japan, and China are driven by standardized testing, and placement.

The point being that the subjects taught in them are taught at a higher level.

Competition is high, pressure is high, but the depth of the subjects is also high.

As such the university preparation is much greater because students of like IQ can be grouped and excel together.

We have AP courses and honors courses in the US as well. A lot of the image of the super busy students in the countries you mention comes from parents who enroll their students and after school programs that can be quite rigorous. Because it had gotten a little out of control, countries in Asia are now passing laws to limit the times and amount that students can spend after school at such places. China recently passed a law outlawing private profitable education centers outside of the school system

 

[iamwhatiseem]

Does anyone really want to discuss education? Not rehashing one dead horse talking point endlessly, or decrying all teachers as monsters? Unions tend toward sucking, ALL racism is bad, and every profession has some nut jobs working in it. Ok? Do we have that out of the way now? Anyone interested in really discussing methodologies, challenges, teaching/learning experiences, or possible changes? We have established by now that some people are advocates for home schooling, vouchers, or charter schools. Some people want cameras surgically implanted in all teachers, rigged to explode if a parent sitting on the sofa at home sees something she doesn't like. Got it? Now, how about discussing education?

Our education system has been largely unchanged since the 1950s.
It is amazingly tragic that this is the case.
Perhaps getting private industry involved would be the best solution to both get the unions and the government out of education.
We need to treat students as individuals. With an effort especially on identifying gifted students. As well as identifying students who simply cannot learn well in a "normal" class sitting... but blow other students out of the water in testing.
Our education system treats kids like little robots. As if every "model" is the same. Same lessons, taught the same way, at the same speed with ZERO regard for how well/poorly individual students do.

 

[Oddball]

The reason these people need remedial instruction is that they should have never been in college in the first place.

The reason that they need remedial instruction is that the gubmint schools suck.

 

[Oddball]

Our education system has been largely unchanged since the 1950s.
It is amazingly tragic that this is the case.
Perhaps getting private industry involved would be the best solution to both get the unions and the government out of education.
We need to treat students as individuals. With an effort especially on identifying gifted students. As well as identifying students who simply cannot learn well in a "normal" class sitting... but blow other students out of the water in testing.
Our education system treats kids like little robots. As if every "model" is the same. Same lessons, taught the same way, at the same speed with ZERO regard for how well/poorly individual students do.

Our education system has been largely unchanged since the 1950s for about a century.

Fixed that for ya.

Our education system treats kids like little robots. As if every "model" is the same. Same lessons, taught the same way, at the same speed with ZERO regard for how well/poorly individual students do.

What else do you expect from a bureaucratic monopoly, paid for at the point of a gun?

 

[Unkotare]

Not in my kids schools

What grade?

 

[The Sage of Main Street]

I also know that university is not for everyone.

Mind-Candy Is What Turns High IQs Into Neurotic Desperate Nerds

The university is work without pay. Therefore, it is only for teenagers who are afraid to grow up. Avoiding adult responsibilities has nothing to do with mental talent, despite the fact that everybody who preaches "The university is not for everyone" is brainwashed to believe the untalented, rather than the naturally maturing are the ones who don't belong there. Don't be misled by pushing the assumption that working without pay is only for smart kids, because "they like studying so much they'll do it for free."

 

[AzogtheDefiler]

What grade?

5th and 7th

 

[Unkotare]

Our education system treats kids like little robots. As if every "model" is the same. Same lessons, taught the same way, at the same speed with ZERO regard for how well/poorly individual students do.

That is not accurate.

 

[Oddball]

So I see the educrat OP has no interest in 'splaining why he's fucking off on a message board during school hours, effectively stealing from the taxpayers.

How very interesting.

 

[Unkotare]

5th and 7th

Most of that stuff starts in high school. There’s been a lot of talk lately about starting such things earlier but right now it mostly happens in high school.