Anyone know what caliber would be referred to as a "9.9"?

[WinterBorn]

Wow.

So you think America was better- when companies locked their doors so workers could not get out when there was a fire?

I prefer our America to your America.

Sorry do you have a link that says company owners all locker their doors to kill their workers?? Thanks

You idiot. Nobody said ALL. You can't get that through your think head? Not all.

But some did and would, if it weren't for the regulations.

Link?

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

Locked, Blocked Exits Blamed for Chicken Plant Fire Deaths

from: Back to Basics: Safe Egress -- Occupational Health & Safety
"An example is the Station fire that took place in a nightclub in West Warwick, R.I, in 2003. In this case, theatrical pyrotechnics used on stage as part of a performance by the band Great White ignited combustible soundproofing foam, and fire spread quickly through the unsprinklered nightclub. One hundred of the approximately 462 occupants inside the club at the time died and 230 were injured. Most of the panicked occupants attempted to exit through the same front entrance by which they had arrived, unaware of or disregarding three other direct exits that were present. Part of the reason they might not know the locations of the other exits was that these were not readily discernible to occupants because of their placement or insufficient exit identification."

Just 3 links about locked doors that accounted for 270 deaths from pure negligence.

Ohhh I thought you said the owners locked them in purposefully.. so you lied lol ok

Yes I did. Mainly referring to the Triangle Shirt factory and the Hamlet Chicken plant. But not marking exits is part of the same regulations that YOU want to see flushed.

 

[Jitss617]

Sorry buddy we built America without your regulations.. gtfo

Sure- America was built without regulations.

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

On March 25, 1911, the Triangle Shirtwaist Company factory in New York City burned, killing 145 workers. It is remembered as one of the most infamous incidents in American industrial history, as the deaths were largely preventable–most of the victims died as a result of neglected safety features and locked doors within the factory building. The tragedy brought widespread attention to the dangerous sweatshop conditions of factories, and led to the development of a series of laws and regulations that better protected the safety of workers.

And Americans died because of it.

Capitalism does work- but a pure capitalism does not care at all about the health of the labor- only what produces the most profits. The history of America is rife with examples of companies who put profits ahead of worker safety. And workers died because of it- virtually every industry- coal, railroads, oil, chemicals.

Oh and before the safety of consumers too. Think food safety- water safety- polution.

And people died in work accidents this year with regulations dumb ass

So if we can't prevent ALL workplace fatalities just say fuck it and let 3 or 4 TIMES as many workers die? No. Fuck you and the "let'em die" bullshit.

You need to GTFO for that kind of thinking.

No one made you king, this is a
Free country we have a right to choose if we want that job or not. Your over regulations are killing thousands every year of drug over doses. Free men are meant to be free. Leave us alone

You are an idiot. Freedom is not freedom to kill yourself or (more often) someone else.

Tell me what safety regulations are preventing people from getting a job?

Well the Casino in Boston, they missed the opening by 6 moths because of over regulation,, many kids went to drugs

 

[WinterBorn]

That is a flat out lie.

I have never said all Americans are bad people. Not once. So you can take that shit and shove it.

But obviously there are employers who do not care about their employees. Should we just ignore the bad ones? Should we just shrug our shoulders at 10,000 more workplace deaths and say "Oh well".

How many people have died of drug over doses last year because of a Bureaucracy over regulation?

Tell me what safety regulations cause people to overdose on drugs.

Got a link? I provided you with one.

What safety regulations are causing people to do drugs or preventing their getting a job?

STATCAST - Week of September 9, 2019


since the increase of regulations there’s been an increase of drug overdose deaths
They go hand and hand

Got a link that they go hand in hand?

Go ask them they will tell you

Oh, so no link? Figures.

Its funny that you repeatedly demand links. But have none to offer yourself.

I'm still waiting to hear what safety regulations prevent people from getting a job.

 

[Syriusly]

Wow.

So you think America was better- when companies locked their doors so workers could not get out when there was a fire?

I prefer our America to your America.

Sorry do you have a link that says company owners all locker their doors to kill their workers?? Thanks

You idiot. Nobody said ALL. You can't get that through your think head? Not all.

But some did and would, if it weren't for the regulations.

Link?

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

Locked, Blocked Exits Blamed for Chicken Plant Fire Deaths

from: Back to Basics: Safe Egress -- Occupational Health & Safety
"An example is the Station fire that took place in a nightclub in West Warwick, R.I, in 2003. In this case, theatrical pyrotechnics used on stage as part of a performance by the band Great White ignited combustible soundproofing foam, and fire spread quickly through the unsprinklered nightclub. One hundred of the approximately 462 occupants inside the club at the time died and 230 were injured. Most of the panicked occupants attempted to exit through the same front entrance by which they had arrived, unaware of or disregarding three other direct exits that were present. Part of the reason they might not know the locations of the other exits was that these were not readily discernible to occupants because of their placement or insufficient exit identification."

Just 3 links about locked doors that accounted for 270 deaths from pure negligence.

Ohhh I thought you said the owners locked them in purposefully.. so you lied lol ok

The Triangle factory, owned by Max Blanck and Isaac Harris, was located in the top three floors of the Asch Building, on the corner of Greene Street and Washington Place, in Manhattan. It was a true sweatshop, employing young immigrant women who worked in a cramped space at lines of sewing machines. Nearly all the workers were teenaged girls who did not speak English and worked 12 hours a day, every day. In 1911, there were four elevators with access to the factory floors, but only one was fully operational and the workers had to file down a long, narrow corridor in order to reach it. There were two stairways down to the street, but one was locked from the outside to prevent stealing and the other only opened inward. The fire escape was so narrow that it would have taken hours for all the workers to use it, even in the best of circumstances.

The danger of fire in factories like the Triangle Shirtwaist was well-known, but high levels of corruption in both the garment industry and city government generally ensured that no useful precautions were taken to prevent fires. Blanck and Harris already had a suspicious history of factory fires. The Triangle factory was twice scorched in 1902, while their Diamond Waist Company factory burned twice, in 1907 and in 1910. It seems that Blanck and Harris deliberately torched their workplaces before business hours in order to collect on the large fire-insurance policies they purchased, a not uncommon practice in the early 20th century. While this was not the cause of the 1911 fire, it contributed to the tragedy, as Blanck and Harris refused to install sprinkler systems and take other safety measures in case they needed to burn down their shops again.

Added to this delinquency were Blanck and Harris’ notorious anti-worker policies. Their employees were paid a mere $15 a week, despite working 12 hours a day, every day. When the International Ladies Garment Workers Union led a strike in 1909 demanding higher pay and shorter and more predictable hours, Blanck and Harris’ company was one of the few manufacturers who resisted, hiring police as thugs to imprison the striking women, and paying off politicians to look the other way.

On March 25, a Saturday afternoon, there were 600 workers at the factory when a fire began in a rag bin. The manager attempted to use the fire hose to extinguish it, but was unsuccessful, as the hose was rotted and its valve was rusted shut. As the fire grew, panic ensued. The young workers tried to exit the building by the elevator but it could hold only 12 people and the operator was able to make just four trips back and forth before it broke down amid the heat and flames. In a desperate attempt to escape the fire, the girls left behind waiting for the elevator plunged down the shaft to their deaths. The girls who fled via the stairwells also met awful demises–when they found a locked door at the bottom of the stairs, many were burned alive.

 

[WinterBorn]

Sure- America was built without regulations.

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

On March 25, 1911, the Triangle Shirtwaist Company factory in New York City burned, killing 145 workers. It is remembered as one of the most infamous incidents in American industrial history, as the deaths were largely preventable–most of the victims died as a result of neglected safety features and locked doors within the factory building. The tragedy brought widespread attention to the dangerous sweatshop conditions of factories, and led to the development of a series of laws and regulations that better protected the safety of workers.

And Americans died because of it.

Capitalism does work- but a pure capitalism does not care at all about the health of the labor- only what produces the most profits. The history of America is rife with examples of companies who put profits ahead of worker safety. And workers died because of it- virtually every industry- coal, railroads, oil, chemicals.

Oh and before the safety of consumers too. Think food safety- water safety- polution.

And people died in work accidents this year with regulations dumb ass

So if we can't prevent ALL workplace fatalities just say fuck it and let 3 or 4 TIMES as many workers die? No. Fuck you and the "let'em die" bullshit.

You need to GTFO for that kind of thinking.

No one made you king, this is a
Free country we have a right to choose if we want that job or not. Your over regulations are killing thousands every year of drug over doses. Free men are meant to be free. Leave us alone

You are an idiot. Freedom is not freedom to kill yourself or (more often) someone else.

Tell me what safety regulations are preventing people from getting a job?

Well the Casino in Boston, they missed the opening by 6 moths because of over regulation,, many kids went to drugs

Link?

 

[Jitss617]

That is a flat out lie.

I have never said all Americans are bad people. Not once. So you can take that shit and shove it.

But obviously there are employers who do not care about their employees. Should we just ignore the bad ones? Should we just shrug our shoulders at 10,000 more workplace deaths and say "Oh well".

How many people have died of drug over doses last year because of a Bureaucracy over regulation?

Tell me what safety regulations cause people to overdose on drugs.

Got a link? I provided you with one.

What safety regulations are causing people to do drugs or preventing their getting a job?

STATCAST - Week of September 9, 2019


since the increase of regulations there’s been an increase of drug overdose deaths
They go hand and hand

Got a link that they go hand in hand?

I don't think he can provide a link to his ass, which is where that claim was pulled from.

I think that there can be a reasonable argument that regulations should be reviewed to ensure that they a) work and b) make sense.

But to blame regulations on our opioid crisis- and not the very industries that spent millions convincing doctors that opioids were safe to prescribe without worrying about addiction is just bizarrely ignorant.

I live in a urban city, my biological family is all addicted to meth.. you think you know more then me? lol

 

[Jitss617]

Sure- America was built without regulations.

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

On March 25, 1911, the Triangle Shirtwaist Company factory in New York City burned, killing 145 workers. It is remembered as one of the most infamous incidents in American industrial history, as the deaths were largely preventable–most of the victims died as a result of neglected safety features and locked doors within the factory building. The tragedy brought widespread attention to the dangerous sweatshop conditions of factories, and led to the development of a series of laws and regulations that better protected the safety of workers.

And Americans died because of it.

Capitalism does work- but a pure capitalism does not care at all about the health of the labor- only what produces the most profits. The history of America is rife with examples of companies who put profits ahead of worker safety. And workers died because of it- virtually every industry- coal, railroads, oil, chemicals.

Oh and before the safety of consumers too. Think food safety- water safety- polution.

And people died in work accidents this year with regulations dumb ass

So if we can't prevent ALL workplace fatalities just say fuck it and let 3 or 4 TIMES as many workers die? No. Fuck you and the "let'em die" bullshit.

You need to GTFO for that kind of thinking.

No one made you king, this is a
Free country we have a right to choose if we want that job or not. Your over regulations are killing thousands every year of drug over doses. Free men are meant to be free. Leave us alone

You are an idiot. Freedom is not freedom to kill yourself or (more often) someone else.

Tell me what safety regulations are preventing people from getting a job?

Well lets see- there was that tragic factory collapse in Bangladesh(?) a few years back- because the owners didn't care that the building was safe.

I think Jitsy is saying that if American factory owners were able to run deathtrap factories like some countries allow, that more Americans would have jobs until they get killed by their job.

Your again talking about mistakes.. mistakes happen all the time

 

[Jitss617]

enforces safety rules,

What happens to the employee that tells you to fuck off I know what I’m doing?

 

[Jitss617]

Sorry do you have a link that says company owners all locker their doors to kill their workers?? Thanks

You idiot. Nobody said ALL. You can't get that through your think head? Not all.

But some did and would, if it weren't for the regulations.

Link?

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

Locked, Blocked Exits Blamed for Chicken Plant Fire Deaths

from: Back to Basics: Safe Egress -- Occupational Health & Safety
"An example is the Station fire that took place in a nightclub in West Warwick, R.I, in 2003. In this case, theatrical pyrotechnics used on stage as part of a performance by the band Great White ignited combustible soundproofing foam, and fire spread quickly through the unsprinklered nightclub. One hundred of the approximately 462 occupants inside the club at the time died and 230 were injured. Most of the panicked occupants attempted to exit through the same front entrance by which they had arrived, unaware of or disregarding three other direct exits that were present. Part of the reason they might not know the locations of the other exits was that these were not readily discernible to occupants because of their placement or insufficient exit identification."

Just 3 links about locked doors that accounted for 270 deaths from pure negligence.

Ohhh I thought you said the owners locked them in purposefully.. so you lied lol ok

Yes I did. Mainly referring to the Triangle Shirt factory and the Hamlet Chicken plant. But not marking exits is part of the same regulations that YOU want to see flushed.

Ohh so you made it up .. we’re you there?

 

[Jitss617]

How many people have died of drug over doses last year because of a Bureaucracy over regulation?

Tell me what safety regulations cause people to overdose on drugs.

Got a link? I provided you with one.

What safety regulations are causing people to do drugs or preventing their getting a job?

STATCAST - Week of September 9, 2019


since the increase of regulations there’s been an increase of drug overdose deaths
They go hand and hand

Got a link that they go hand in hand?

Go ask them they will tell you

Oh, so no link? Figures.

Its funny that you repeatedly demand links. But have none to offer yourself.

I'm still waiting to hear what safety regulations prevent people from getting a job.

I asked you if someone tells you to fuck off I know what I’m doing does it doesn’t get hurt do you fire him?

 

[Syriusly]

How many people have died of drug over doses last year because of a Bureaucracy over regulation?

Tell me what safety regulations cause people to overdose on drugs.

Got a link? I provided you with one.

What safety regulations are causing people to do drugs or preventing their getting a job?

STATCAST - Week of September 9, 2019


since the increase of regulations there’s been an increase of drug overdose deaths
They go hand and hand

Got a link that they go hand in hand?

I don't think he can provide a link to his ass, which is where that claim was pulled from.

I think that there can be a reasonable argument that regulations should be reviewed to ensure that they a) work and b) make sense.

But to blame regulations on our opioid crisis- and not the very industries that spent millions convincing doctors that opioids were safe to prescribe without worrying about addiction is just bizarrely ignorant.

I live in a urban city, my biological family is all addicted to meth.. you think you know more then me? lol

Based upon that- maybe your family is all addicted to meth because of you?

Remember- you offer nothing but your bizarre unsubstantiated opinions.

But I will humor you- tell us all about how your entire biological family became addicted to meth because of 'regulations'.

 

[Syriusly]

enforces safety rules,

What happens to the employee that tells you to fuck off I know what I’m doing?

In most companies that employee gets fired.

 

[Jitss617]

Sorry do you have a link that says company owners all locker their doors to kill their workers?? Thanks

You idiot. Nobody said ALL. You can't get that through your think head? Not all.

But some did and would, if it weren't for the regulations.

Link?

https://www.history.com/topics/early-20th-century-us/triangle-shirtwaist-fire

Locked, Blocked Exits Blamed for Chicken Plant Fire Deaths

from: Back to Basics: Safe Egress -- Occupational Health & Safety
"An example is the Station fire that took place in a nightclub in West Warwick, R.I, in 2003. In this case, theatrical pyrotechnics used on stage as part of a performance by the band Great White ignited combustible soundproofing foam, and fire spread quickly through the unsprinklered nightclub. One hundred of the approximately 462 occupants inside the club at the time died and 230 were injured. Most of the panicked occupants attempted to exit through the same front entrance by which they had arrived, unaware of or disregarding three other direct exits that were present. Part of the reason they might not know the locations of the other exits was that these were not readily discernible to occupants because of their placement or insufficient exit identification."

Just 3 links about locked doors that accounted for 270 deaths from pure negligence.

Ohhh I thought you said the owners locked them in purposefully.. so you lied lol ok

The Triangle factory, owned by Max Blanck and Isaac Harris, was located in the top three floors of the Asch Building, on the corner of Greene Street and Washington Place, in Manhattan. It was a true sweatshop, employing young immigrant women who worked in a cramped space at lines of sewing machines. Nearly all the workers were teenaged girls who did not speak English and worked 12 hours a day, every day. In 1911, there were four elevators with access to the factory floors, but only one was fully operational and the workers had to file down a long, narrow corridor in order to reach it. There were two stairways down to the street, but one was locked from the outside to prevent stealing and the other only opened inward. The fire escape was so narrow that it would have taken hours for all the workers to use it, even in the best of circumstances.

The danger of fire in factories like the Triangle Shirtwaist was well-known, but high levels of corruption in both the garment industry and city government generally ensured that no useful precautions were taken to prevent fires. Blanck and Harris already had a suspicious history of factory fires. The Triangle factory was twice scorched in 1902, while their Diamond Waist Company factory burned twice, in 1907 and in 1910. It seems that Blanck and Harris deliberately torched their workplaces before business hours in order to collect on the large fire-insurance policies they purchased, a not uncommon practice in the early 20th century. While this was not the cause of the 1911 fire, it contributed to the tragedy, as Blanck and Harris refused to install sprinkler systems and take other safety measures in case they needed to burn down their shops again.

Added to this delinquency were Blanck and Harris’ notorious anti-worker policies. Their employees were paid a mere $15 a week, despite working 12 hours a day, every day. When the International Ladies Garment Workers Union led a strike in 1909 demanding higher pay and shorter and more predictable hours, Blanck and Harris’ company was one of the few manufacturers who resisted, hiring police as thugs to imprison the striking women, and paying off politicians to look the other way.

On March 25, a Saturday afternoon, there were 600 workers at the factory when a fire began in a rag bin. The manager attempted to use the fire hose to extinguish it, but was unsuccessful, as the hose was rotted and its valve was rusted shut. As the fire grew, panic ensued. The young workers tried to exit the building by the elevator but it could hold only 12 people and the operator was able to make just four trips back and forth before it broke down amid the heat and flames. In a desperate attempt to escape the fire, the girls left behind waiting for the elevator plunged down the shaft to their deaths. The girls who fled via the stairwells also met awful demises–when they found a locked door at the bottom of the stairs, many were burned alive.

Sounds like a tragic accident

 

[Jitss617]

And people died in work accidents this year with regulations dumb ass

So if we can't prevent ALL workplace fatalities just say fuck it and let 3 or 4 TIMES as many workers die? No. Fuck you and the "let'em die" bullshit.

You need to GTFO for that kind of thinking.

No one made you king, this is a
Free country we have a right to choose if we want that job or not. Your over regulations are killing thousands every year of drug over doses. Free men are meant to be free. Leave us alone

You are an idiot. Freedom is not freedom to kill yourself or (more often) someone else.

Tell me what safety regulations are preventing people from getting a job?

Well the Casino in Boston, they missed the opening by 6 moths because of over regulation,, many kids went to drugs

Link?

Real life experience, I’m
Reporting it

 

[Jitss617]

Tell me what safety regulations cause people to overdose on drugs.

Got a link? I provided you with one.

What safety regulations are causing people to do drugs or preventing their getting a job?

STATCAST - Week of September 9, 2019


since the increase of regulations there’s been an increase of drug overdose deaths
They go hand and hand

Got a link that they go hand in hand?

I don't think he can provide a link to his ass, which is where that claim was pulled from.

I think that there can be a reasonable argument that regulations should be reviewed to ensure that they a) work and b) make sense.

But to blame regulations on our opioid crisis- and not the very industries that spent millions convincing doctors that opioids were safe to prescribe without worrying about addiction is just bizarrely ignorant.

I live in a urban city, my biological family is all addicted to meth.. you think you know more then me? lol

Based upon that- maybe your family is all addicted to meth because of you?

Remember- you offer nothing but your bizarre unsubstantiated opinions.

But I will humor you- tell us all about how your entire biological family became addicted to meth because of 'regulations'.

Not sure I’ll ask them when I see them

 

[Jitss617]

enforces safety rules,

What happens to the employee that tells you to fuck off I know what I’m doing?

In most companies that employee gets fired.

Because he didn’t follow that regulation.. mic drop

 

[Syriusly]

And people died in work accidents this year with regulations dumb ass

So if we can't prevent ALL workplace fatalities just say fuck it and let 3 or 4 TIMES as many workers die? No. Fuck you and the "let'em die" bullshit.

You need to GTFO for that kind of thinking.

No one made you king, this is a
Free country we have a right to choose if we want that job or not. Your over regulations are killing thousands every year of drug over doses. Free men are meant to be free. Leave us alone

You are an idiot. Freedom is not freedom to kill yourself or (more often) someone else.

Tell me what safety regulations are preventing people from getting a job?

Well lets see- there was that tragic factory collapse in Bangladesh(?) a few years back- because the owners didn't care that the building was safe.

I think Jitsy is saying that if American factory owners were able to run deathtrap factories like some countries allow, that more Americans would have jobs until they get killed by their job.

Your again talking about mistakes.. mistakes happen all the time

No- I am talking at best this would be negligence, and at worse it would be manslaughter. Negligence is not preventing what is easily anticipated- not training your employees on fire safety might be considered negligence if there was a fire and employees died.

Manslaughter would be when factory owners lock doors to prevent employees from getting out when there is a fire, or bribing government officials not to enforce building safety codes.

 

[Syriusly]

STATCAST - Week of September 9, 2019


since the increase of regulations there’s been an increase of drug overdose deaths
They go hand and hand

Got a link that they go hand in hand?

I don't think he can provide a link to his ass, which is where that claim was pulled from.

I think that there can be a reasonable argument that regulations should be reviewed to ensure that they a) work and b) make sense.

But to blame regulations on our opioid crisis- and not the very industries that spent millions convincing doctors that opioids were safe to prescribe without worrying about addiction is just bizarrely ignorant.

I live in a urban city, my biological family is all addicted to meth.. you think you know more then me? lol

Based upon that- maybe your family is all addicted to meth because of you?

Remember- you offer nothing but your bizarre unsubstantiated opinions.

But I will humor you- tell us all about how your entire biological family became addicted to meth because of 'regulations'.

Not sure I’ll ask them when I see them

You were the one who claimed you knew more than me because your family are all addicts.

Once again you are just pulling this out of your ass.

 

[Jitss617]

So if we can't prevent ALL workplace fatalities just say fuck it and let 3 or 4 TIMES as many workers die? No. Fuck you and the "let'em die" bullshit.

You need to GTFO for that kind of thinking.

No one made you king, this is a
Free country we have a right to choose if we want that job or not. Your over regulations are killing thousands every year of drug over doses. Free men are meant to be free. Leave us alone

You are an idiot. Freedom is not freedom to kill yourself or (more often) someone else.

Tell me what safety regulations are preventing people from getting a job?

Well lets see- there was that tragic factory collapse in Bangladesh(?) a few years back- because the owners didn't care that the building was safe.

I think Jitsy is saying that if American factory owners were able to run deathtrap factories like some countries allow, that more Americans would have jobs until they get killed by their job.

Your again talking about mistakes.. mistakes happen all the time

No- I am talking at best this would be negligence, and at worse it would be manslaughter. Negligence is not preventing what is easily anticipated- not training your employees on fire safety might be considered negligence if there was a fire and employees died.

Manslaughter would be when factory owners lock doors to prevent employees from getting out when there is a fire, or bribing government officials not to enforce building safety codes.

They didn’t have to work there ..

 

[Jitss617]

Got a link that they go hand in hand?

I don't think he can provide a link to his ass, which is where that claim was pulled from.

I think that there can be a reasonable argument that regulations should be reviewed to ensure that they a) work and b) make sense.

But to blame regulations on our opioid crisis- and not the very industries that spent millions convincing doctors that opioids were safe to prescribe without worrying about addiction is just bizarrely ignorant.

I live in a urban city, my biological family is all addicted to meth.. you think you know more then me? lol

Based upon that- maybe your family is all addicted to meth because of you?

Remember- you offer nothing but your bizarre unsubstantiated opinions.

But I will humor you- tell us all about how your entire biological family became addicted to meth because of 'regulations'.

Not sure I’ll ask them when I see them

You were the one who claimed you knew more than me because your family are all addicts.

Once again you are just pulling this out of your ass.

I was born addicted to meth,, I’m
From the inner city of Boston i see abandoned commercial buildings everywhere in Boston not able to use because the city has overregulated them.. The meaning of a regulation is telling somebody you can’t do something that you once did before..