Any Document Signed by Biden with Autopen is Terminated –

[Fort Fun Indiana]

I'm good with Trump doing the same as Biden did with the auto pen?

Well yes, of course, use of the autopen is fine.

 

[Crepitus]

when did you start believing that?

Right from the start, I'm no bloody tRumpling.

 

[meaner gene]

Lies.

Learn to read.
The DOJ spokesman admitted they copied a single Trump signature onto the seven pardons.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Learn to read.
The DOJ spokesman admitted they copied a single Trump signature onto the seven pardons.

To hide the fact that autopen was used, naturally.

 

[meaner gene]

Pardons whose images had to be created via photoshop (or similar graphic editing software program)

 

[jknowgood]

Well yes, of course, use of the autopen is fine.

I've saved this one!

 

[meaner gene]

Seven pardons from November 7th. All with identical signatures.

That they admitted they created in error, by using the same signature on all seven of them.

 

[meaner gene]

Not the first time the Trump white house has been caught using photoshop images.

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

So, riddle me this:

How is one to argue that Biden did not know about or authorize the 1500 commutations he issued in December 2024, when Biden went on TV and announced he was doing it, and announced why he was doing it?

Contrast that to the video of Trump, admitting he had no idea who he pardoned or why.

 

[meaner gene]

So, riddle me this:

How is one to argue that Biden did not know about or authorize the 1500 commutations he issued in December 2024, when Biden went on TV and announced he was doing it, and announced why he was doing it?

Contrast that to the video of Trump, admitting he had no idea who he pardoned or why.

Actually one law professor said that the public announcement of a pardon, is enough to grant a pardon.
And transcribing the pardon onto paper for admission to a court of law is a mere ministerial act, that can be done by anyone in the administration.

 

[meaner gene]

So, riddle me this:

Contrast that to the video of Trump, admitting he had no idea who he pardoned or why.

Actually if the president has no knowledge of the pardon, or even of the person pardoned, that sounds like a case of the presidents chief of staff or aides handing the CEO president a stack of papers to sign. That he does without reading them.

 

[Hollie]

The mistake was admitting they were photoshopping Trumps pardons.

There was a mistake acknowledged and taken responsibility for.

Who took responsibility for Biden’s autopen abuse?

 

[Lesh]

Um...yeah..thats kind of the point...there is no proof he authorized the autopen.

The president has to specifically authorize its use, if there is no documentation required, how do we know biden have authorizarion? Allegedly, most of everything biden signed was with auto pen. The house report that was put out says people signed things without bidens authorization.

Ya say it was done without Biden’s authorization?

Prove it

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Actually one law professor said that the public announcement of a pardon, is enough to grant a pardon.

I read the same thing. There is nothing in the Constitution that says it requires a document or a signature from anyone.

And transcribing the pardon onto paper for admission to a court of law is a mere ministerial act, that can be done by anyone in the administration.

That too.

Here is the MAGA fantasy witch hunt, in total:

MAGA decided Joe Biden had terminal dementia and didn't know what was happening, therefore he could not have authorized the pardons. Nevermind any other Presidential order, but the MAGA high priests have them focused on pardons.

Their effort to prove this consisted 100% of asking aides if they hid Biden's declining mental state.

When of course the aides all gave them the middle finger and/or pleaded the 5th (same thing), they referred it to the DOJ to be investigated. And that's where we are today.

That's all.

And, therefore, all Biden pardons are void, per the criminal in the White House and his dutiful cult, who is programmed to regurgitate what he says.

 

[leftwinger]

So, riddle me this:

How is one to argue that Biden did not know about or authorize the 1500 commutations he issued in December 2024, when Biden went on TV and announced he was doing it, and announced why he was doing it?

Contrast that to the video of Trump, admitting he had no idea who he pardoned or why.

Stupid OX. They had emails proving he was not in in it.

The Oversight committee interviewed his people and they confirmed he did not know.

Is that fact or did I make it up? Go read up (or scan thru) about it like I did and shup.

 

[Hollie]

Ya say it was done without Biden’s authorization?

Prove it

Oversight Committee Releases Report on the Biden Autopen Presidency - United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

United States House Committee on Oversight and Government Reform

oversight.house.gov

 

[Fort Fun Indiana]

Stupid OX. They had emails proving he was not in in it.

Nonsense. Biden went on television and announced them and announced why he was doing them.

If they met the criteria, they got the commutation.

And the vast majority of those were done to suit current sentencing guidelines. And nothing more.

There is no "there", there. You've been hornswaggled again, neighbor.

 

[meaner gene]

Ya say it was done without Biden’s authorization?

Prove it

First, understand that an auto pen is not a pen. It’s a table-top device programmed to replicate a person’s signature.

Presidents have used, and have been ABLE to use, auto pens for decades. Harry Truman use the first one in the 1940s. Many others have used auto pens because. frankly, as President, you have a LOT of shit to sign day-in and day-out. A LOT of busy people - executives, Senators, Congresspersons, celebrities, etc use auto pens to sign things. trump himself has used one, both as President and when not in office.

So, how do you keep a medium-sized piece of table-top equipment out of the wrong hands?

Lock the damn door! The Presidential auto pen is kept under lock-and-key. It is only used upon direct orders OF the President. It’s not just sitting on a random secretary’s desk somewhere in the White House steno pool, It’s locked up, and access is restricted to only those members of the White House staff the President himself has assigned to have that access.

 

[meaner gene]

The Oversight committee interviewed his people and they confirmed he did not know.

This on it's face seems strange. That they would have to be high enough up to have direct access to the president, and have talked with him about the pardons. Or they would have had to be the one's to have clandestinely used the presidents auto pen to sign pardons that they had forged.

Neither sounds very plausible.

 

[Meathead]

That is what the autopen is supposed to be for. That and an 'emergency' signature if a piece of legislation or other essential document needs immediate signature when the President is away from the White House. The latter is always documented and confirmed as the order of the President though. I'm reasonably certain that President Trump has not needed to use that in any situation yet though.

Autopens are normally used for mass mailings when you can't expect a single person to sign 1000 or more times. When I worked at AARP the director had one but didn't use it on relatively important documents.