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[harmonica]

point being there is no divine intervention/etc

Not in my case, Divine was the name of the person who I saved from being robbed. (funny coincidence)
Why her? Probably because she and her family took me in during my first Thanksgiving in the new town. They made extra food to be shared with the less fortunate afterwards, just like the Temple sacrafice gathering events used to do in YeruShalem.
I'M a believer that since everything has a process, there is no such thing as miracles, only processes yet to be figured out or advanced into knowing as we get to that time it's revealed.
Even the so called Divine has a process, and where it comes from has always been revealed and that key unlocks the rest.
Heaven derives from the actual Hebrew term "Olam Habah" meaning "World to Come" aka the future to come. Common sense, the more advanced into the future the more unimaginable concepts come to fruition and surpass even
our restricted imaginations.
Which is why the past always describes the vision of this time to come in archaic & poetic terms only they are familiar with.
Using that key, now go back and reread things in a reality based way not mythical.
The message warning is not coming from the sky since the beginning, the start (message that knows history)is at the end of the linear time line, which is why Isaiah says the beginning (non linear time interacting in all time lines) is at the end and maybe why Torah is read from right to left. Olam Habah did not exist since the begining, it's to come when we become Shalem (complete & whole & stable).
You lose that knowledge when you lose the original Hebrew term Olam Habah and redefine it through translation to a new precept in English called Heaven.

there is no divine intervention ..no one can prove it

Yes both existence and nonexistence are equally faith based.
Both rely on whether individuals BELIEVE and call it that or something else.

Just like DREAMS harmonica
We can neither prove nor disprove when someone SAYS they "had a dream" and
what that dream entailed or what it means. All faith based.

Yet we are okay socially with accepting when someone SAYS they dreamed something.
Someday we will be okay with people SAYING they saw spirits or had messages or visions
of something and what it meant to them.

Both are equally faith based and cannot be proven or disproven one way or another.

if you can't prove something, it's not there
.....wrong---everybody dreams and/or most people dream = much more people dream than have ''divine intervention''
Dreams: The Mysteries of Sleep - Canoe.com
you never dreamed?

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

have or have you not ever dreamed?

 

[emilynghiem]

....it's like when one person is saved out of many from a plane crash/etc --they say ''thank god he was saved'' ...''divine intervention saved him'' ...etc

When it happens to other people, you may think it is just rationalization.

But when it happens to you, where you sense some deeper connection, then it's different.

Your comment reminds me of a "divine" coincidence story I read in Reader's Digest.

Of two passengers sitting next to each other on a plane, one had just lost a family
member and was heading that direction, while the other had a sick family member
in desperate need of an transplant. They agreed to have the deceased tested
for possible compatibility. It was a longshot, but it turned out to be a match. So the
deceased person ended up saving the life of someone else, by their family members sitting together on a plane.

point being there is no divine intervention/etc

Not in my case, Divine was the name of the person who I saved from being robbed. (funny coincidence)
Why her? Probably because she and her family took me in during my first Thanksgiving in the new town. They made extra food to be shared with the less fortunate afterwards, just like the Temple sacrafice gathering events used to do in YeruShalem.
I'M a believer that since everything has a process, there is no such thing as miracles, only processes yet to be figured out or advanced into knowing as we get to that time it's revealed.
Even the so called Divine has a process, and where it comes from has always been revealed and that key unlocks the rest.
Heaven derives from the actual Hebrew term "Olam Habah" meaning "World to Come" aka the future to come. Common sense, the more advanced into the future the more unimaginable concepts come to fruition and surpass even
our restricted imaginations.
Which is why the past always describes the vision of this time to come in archaic & poetic terms only they are familiar with.
Using that key, now go back and reread things in a reality based way not mythical.
The message warning is not coming from the sky since the beginning, the start (message that knows history)is at the end of the linear time line, which is why Isaiah says the beginning (non linear time interacting in all time lines) is at the end and maybe why Torah is read from right to left. Olam Habah did not exist since the begining, it's to come when we become Shalem (complete & whole & stable).
You lose that knowledge when you lose the original Hebrew term Olam Habah and redefine it through translation to a new precept in English called Heaven.

Thank you HaShev You bring up a good point about the process "in time."

harmonica some of my friends were discussing the neuroscience research published by a doctor
in the local Med Center in Houston. The study was on brain impulses, and the research showed that
even BEFORE the subject person Consciously decided to take an action such as picking up a coffee cup,
the brain was already reacting and showing impulse activity related to PREPARING for that action.
So the impulse already started before the person made a conscious choice.

Now was this a delay in when someone REALIZES they made that choice?
Or was it really the unconscious planning and preparing in advance before the REAL WILL or consciousness of the
person went there. Was it just a delay in perception that explains this backwards gap in time?

This disturbed some people's perception of what is free will.
How much are unconscious impulses and what is really what we determine and decide on our own volition to do or not.

However, if you take what I am saying and looks like HaShev refers to as well.
The whole process is already in motion, already connected.
And we are just perceiving and working with that process, where past and future events
already correlate and co influence each other (that's how I see it anyway).

The way HaShev describes it above is close enough to what I see going on,
so it may not be perfect but it alludes to similar enough for me to recognize.

Cool!

.....also--there can't be divine intervention since you can't prove there is a ''divine being'' --plain and simple

Dear harmonica
proving or believing there is a divine source is no different from
proving there is a COLLECTIVE society, a COLLECTIVE humanity,
a COLLECTIVE history or knowledge or body of laws universal for "all humanity."

All of that is faith based because our present empirical perception is limited
in time and scope to the finite here and now. Everything else beyond the
current senses is basically FAITH BASED.

We are taking all that which we know on FAITH.

For example, look at the Flat Earth protesters who contest science as faked.
They demonstrate that even established scientific facts are FAITH BASED.
They don't believe the research is real, or the photos, but it's PROPAGANDA.

So all things can be challenged, and nothing can make people BELIEVE it is true or not.
All FAITH BASED.

It serves the same purpose as "believing in a divine source"
to acknowledge there is a COLLECTIVE LEVEL of either truth, laws,
humanity, etc. That serves the same purpose as believing in God.

For example, if you believe the laws of Nature, the forces of Life,
and the Universe are collective and govern all humans on earth, that
takes the same degree of faith as believing in God, such calling it by SECULAR terms.
Laws of God or
Laws of Science, Nature, the Life, Universe
It means the same reference, just not using religious personified terms of deity.
But the content of the laws are the same if you are arguing these are
"universal COLLECTIVELY for ALL HUMANITY"

All faith based.

Another difference besides the terms used to describe Laws of Life in the Universe:
Do you believe in Restorative Justice or Retributive Justice
as the dominating force in life and society?

This also makes all the difference in how people see the world
and human relations.

So that to me is the equivalent of having faith in Christ Jesus
is having faith in Restorative Justice.

Equally faith based, and achieves the same result!

Believing in universal laws of God and of Life as "greater good will" that applies to all people on earth.
Believing in Christ Jesus or Restorative Justice to establish
truth for justice and peace for all humanity.
Believing in the power of Forgiveness to heal wrongs and
relations so problems of social injustice can be corrected in harmony.

This is the same as believing in the meaning behind the Holy Trinity
except spelled out in secular terms. Equally faith based.

 

[emilynghiem]

Not in my case, Divine was the name of the person who I saved from being robbed. (funny coincidence)
Why her? Probably because she and her family took me in during my first Thanksgiving in the new town. They made extra food to be shared with the less fortunate afterwards, just like the Temple sacrafice gathering events used to do in YeruShalem.
I'M a believer that since everything has a process, there is no such thing as miracles, only processes yet to be figured out or advanced into knowing as we get to that time it's revealed.
Even the so called Divine has a process, and where it comes from has always been revealed and that key unlocks the rest.
Heaven derives from the actual Hebrew term "Olam Habah" meaning "World to Come" aka the future to come. Common sense, the more advanced into the future the more unimaginable concepts come to fruition and surpass even
our restricted imaginations.
Which is why the past always describes the vision of this time to come in archaic & poetic terms only they are familiar with.
Using that key, now go back and reread things in a reality based way not mythical.
The message warning is not coming from the sky since the beginning, the start (message that knows history)is at the end of the linear time line, which is why Isaiah says the beginning (non linear time interacting in all time lines) is at the end and maybe why Torah is read from right to left. Olam Habah did not exist since the begining, it's to come when we become Shalem (complete & whole & stable).
You lose that knowledge when you lose the original Hebrew term Olam Habah and redefine it through translation to a new precept in English called Heaven.

there is no divine intervention ..no one can prove it

Yes both existence and nonexistence are equally faith based.
Both rely on whether individuals BELIEVE and call it that or something else.

Just like DREAMS harmonica
We can neither prove nor disprove when someone SAYS they "had a dream" and
what that dream entailed or what it means. All faith based.

Yet we are okay socially with accepting when someone SAYS they dreamed something.
Someday we will be okay with people SAYING they saw spirits or had messages or visions
of something and what it meant to them.

Both are equally faith based and cannot be proven or disproven one way or another.

if you can't prove something, it's not there
.....wrong---everybody dreams and/or most people dream = much more people dream than have ''divine intervention''
Dreams: The Mysteries of Sleep - Canoe.com
you never dreamed?

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

have or have you not ever dreamed?

Yes but you cannot prove or disprove it.
It is based on faith, and we agree or not.

It is not based on scientific proof.

 

[harmonica]

When it happens to other people, you may think it is just rationalization.

But when it happens to you, where you sense some deeper connection, then it's different.

Your comment reminds me of a "divine" coincidence story I read in Reader's Digest.

Of two passengers sitting next to each other on a plane, one had just lost a family
member and was heading that direction, while the other had a sick family member
in desperate need of an transplant. They agreed to have the deceased tested
for possible compatibility. It was a longshot, but it turned out to be a match. So the
deceased person ended up saving the life of someone else, by their family members sitting together on a plane.

point being there is no divine intervention/etc

Not in my case, Divine was the name of the person who I saved from being robbed. (funny coincidence)
Why her? Probably because she and her family took me in during my first Thanksgiving in the new town. They made extra food to be shared with the less fortunate afterwards, just like the Temple sacrafice gathering events used to do in YeruShalem.
I'M a believer that since everything has a process, there is no such thing as miracles, only processes yet to be figured out or advanced into knowing as we get to that time it's revealed.
Even the so called Divine has a process, and where it comes from has always been revealed and that key unlocks the rest.
Heaven derives from the actual Hebrew term "Olam Habah" meaning "World to Come" aka the future to come. Common sense, the more advanced into the future the more unimaginable concepts come to fruition and surpass even
our restricted imaginations.
Which is why the past always describes the vision of this time to come in archaic & poetic terms only they are familiar with.
Using that key, now go back and reread things in a reality based way not mythical.
The message warning is not coming from the sky since the beginning, the start (message that knows history)is at the end of the linear time line, which is why Isaiah says the beginning (non linear time interacting in all time lines) is at the end and maybe why Torah is read from right to left. Olam Habah did not exist since the begining, it's to come when we become Shalem (complete & whole & stable).
You lose that knowledge when you lose the original Hebrew term Olam Habah and redefine it through translation to a new precept in English called Heaven.

Thank you HaShev You bring up a good point about the process "in time."

harmonica some of my friends were discussing the neuroscience research published by a doctor
in the local Med Center in Houston. The study was on brain impulses, and the research showed that
even BEFORE the subject person Consciously decided to take an action such as picking up a coffee cup,
the brain was already reacting and showing impulse activity related to PREPARING for that action.
So the impulse already started before the person made a conscious choice.

Now was this a delay in when someone REALIZES they made that choice?
Or was it really the unconscious planning and preparing in advance before the REAL WILL or consciousness of the
person went there. Was it just a delay in perception that explains this backwards gap in time?

This disturbed some people's perception of what is free will.
How much are unconscious impulses and what is really what we determine and decide on our own volition to do or not.

However, if you take what I am saying and looks like HaShev refers to as well.
The whole process is already in motion, already connected.
And we are just perceiving and working with that process, where past and future events
already correlate and co influence each other (that's how I see it anyway).

The way HaShev describes it above is close enough to what I see going on,
so it may not be perfect but it alludes to similar enough for me to recognize.

Cool!

.....also--there can't be divine intervention since you can't prove there is a ''divine being'' --plain and simple

Dear harmonica
proving or believing there is a divine source is no different from
proving there is a COLLECTIVE society, a COLLECTIVE humanity,
a COLLECTIVE history or knowledge or body of laws universal for "all humanity."

All of that is faith based because our present empirical perception is limited
in time and scope to the finite here and now. Everything else beyond the
current senses is basically FAITH BASED.

We are taking all that which we know on FAITH.

For example, look at the Flat Earth protesters who contest science as faked.
They demonstrate that even established scientific facts are FAITH BASED.
They don't believe the research is real, or the photos, but it's PROPAGANDA.

So all things can be challenged, and nothing can make people BELIEVE it is true or not.
All FAITH BASED.

It serves the same purpose as "believing in a divine source"
to acknowledge there is a COLLECTIVE LEVEL of either truth, laws,
humanity, etc. That serves the same purpose as believing in God.

For example, if you believe the laws of Nature, the forces of Life,
and the Universe are collective and govern all humans on earth, that
takes the same degree of faith as believing in God, such calling it by SECULAR terms.
Laws of God or
Laws of Science, Nature, the Life, Universe
It means the same reference, just not using religious personified terms of deity.
But the content of the laws are the same if you are arguing these are
"universal COLLECTIVELY for ALL HUMANITY"

All faith based.

Another difference besides the terms used to describe Laws of Life in the Universe:
Do you believe in Restorative Justice or Retributive Justice
as the dominating force in life and society?

This also makes all the difference in how people see the world
and human relations.

So that to me is the equivalent of having faith in Christ Jesus
is having faith in Restorative Justice.

Equally faith based, and achieves the same result!

Believing in universal laws of God and of Life as "greater good will" that applies to all people on earth.
Believing in Christ Jesus or Restorative Justice to establish
truth for justice and peace for all humanity.
Believing in the power of Forgiveness to heal wrongs and
relations so problems of social injustice can be corrected in harmony.

This is the same as believing in the meaning behind the Holy Trinity
except spelled out in secular terms. Equally faith based.

whoever thinks the Earth is flat is a dumbass--plain and simple
there is no divine power--plain and simple

 

[harmonica]

there is no divine intervention ..no one can prove it

Yes both existence and nonexistence are equally faith based.
Both rely on whether individuals BELIEVE and call it that or something else.

Just like DREAMS harmonica
We can neither prove nor disprove when someone SAYS they "had a dream" and
what that dream entailed or what it means. All faith based.

Yet we are okay socially with accepting when someone SAYS they dreamed something.
Someday we will be okay with people SAYING they saw spirits or had messages or visions
of something and what it meant to them.

Both are equally faith based and cannot be proven or disproven one way or another.

if you can't prove something, it's not there
.....wrong---everybody dreams and/or most people dream = much more people dream than have ''divine intervention''
Dreams: The Mysteries of Sleep - Canoe.com
you never dreamed?

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

have or have you not ever dreamed?

Yes but you cannot prove or disprove it.
It is based on faith, and we agree or not.

It is not based on scientific proof.

?????????!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!????????????!!!!
what?
so you have dreamed --but you say you can't prove dreaming exists.....???????!!!!!!!!!
huh?????
it's like 1 + 1 =2 ---you CAN'T deny that

 

[captkaos]

I was watching news footage of the school shooting in Highlands Ranch Co. It made me think of an old friend from the Army who lived in Littleton CO. I googled his name did some searching and found out he actually lives in Highlands Ranch Co. things that make you go Hmmmmmm! I sent a letter !

 

[buttercup]

Not in my case, Divine was the name of the person who I saved from being robbed. (funny coincidence)
Why her? Probably because she and her family took me in during my first Thanksgiving in the new town. They made extra food to be shared with the less fortunate afterwards, just like the Temple sacrafice gathering events used to do in YeruShalem.
I'M a believer that since everything has a process, there is no such thing as miracles, only processes yet to be figured out or advanced into knowing as we get to that time it's revealed.
Even the so called Divine has a process, and where it comes from has always been revealed and that key unlocks the rest.
Heaven derives from the actual Hebrew term "Olam Habah" meaning "World to Come" aka the future to come. Common sense, the more advanced into the future the more unimaginable concepts come to fruition and surpass even
our restricted imaginations.
Which is why the past always describes the vision of this time to come in archaic & poetic terms only they are familiar with.
Using that key, now go back and reread things in a reality based way not mythical.
The message warning is not coming from the sky since the beginning, the start (message that knows history)is at the end of the linear time line, which is why Isaiah says the beginning (non linear time interacting in all time lines) is at the end and maybe why Torah is read from right to left. Olam Habah did not exist since the begining, it's to come when we become Shalem (complete & whole & stable).
You lose that knowledge when you lose the original Hebrew term Olam Habah and redefine it through translation to a new precept in English called Heaven.

there is no divine intervention ..no one can prove it

Yes both existence and nonexistence are equally faith based.
Both rely on whether individuals BELIEVE and call it that or something else.

Just like DREAMS harmonica
We can neither prove nor disprove when someone SAYS they "had a dream" and
what that dream entailed or what it means. All faith based.

Yet we are okay socially with accepting when someone SAYS they dreamed something.
Someday we will be okay with people SAYING they saw spirits or had messages or visions
of something and what it meant to them.

Both are equally faith based and cannot be proven or disproven one way or another.

if you can't prove something, it's not there
.....wrong---everybody dreams and/or most people dream = much more people dream than have ''divine intervention''
Dreams: The Mysteries of Sleep - Canoe.com
you never dreamed?

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

irrelevant--who cares?? idiotic
no proof of a divine power--plain and simple

1) Just because you haven't experienced anything spiritual or divine doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Talking to you about stuff like this is akin to trying to explain the color blue to a blind person.

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

 

[harmonica]

there is no divine intervention ..no one can prove it

Yes both existence and nonexistence are equally faith based.
Both rely on whether individuals BELIEVE and call it that or something else.

Just like DREAMS harmonica
We can neither prove nor disprove when someone SAYS they "had a dream" and
what that dream entailed or what it means. All faith based.

Yet we are okay socially with accepting when someone SAYS they dreamed something.
Someday we will be okay with people SAYING they saw spirits or had messages or visions
of something and what it meant to them.

Both are equally faith based and cannot be proven or disproven one way or another.

if you can't prove something, it's not there
.....wrong---everybody dreams and/or most people dream = much more people dream than have ''divine intervention''
Dreams: The Mysteries of Sleep - Canoe.com
you never dreamed?

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

irrelevant--who cares?? idiotic
no proof of a divine power--plain and simple

1) Just because you haven't experienced anything spiritual or divine doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Talking to you about stuff like this is akin to trying to explain the color blue to a blind person.

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

this IS a discussion forum???!!!!???
I can't add my thoughts? !!!???
I can say I experienced playing with ducks on the moon--I guess you would believe me ?

 

[harmonica]

there is no divine intervention ..no one can prove it

Yes both existence and nonexistence are equally faith based.
Both rely on whether individuals BELIEVE and call it that or something else.

Just like DREAMS harmonica
We can neither prove nor disprove when someone SAYS they "had a dream" and
what that dream entailed or what it means. All faith based.

Yet we are okay socially with accepting when someone SAYS they dreamed something.
Someday we will be okay with people SAYING they saw spirits or had messages or visions
of something and what it meant to them.

Both are equally faith based and cannot be proven or disproven one way or another.

if you can't prove something, it's not there
.....wrong---everybody dreams and/or most people dream = much more people dream than have ''divine intervention''
Dreams: The Mysteries of Sleep - Canoe.com
you never dreamed?

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

irrelevant--who cares?? idiotic
no proof of a divine power--plain and simple

1) Just because you haven't experienced anything spiritual or divine doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Talking to you about stuff like this is akin to trying to explain the color blue to a blind person.

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

YOU are disrespecting ME--so stop it --please

 

[sparky]

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

i'm an ex-emt, 3 decades of service. We were told the 'hearing is always last to go' , but one wonders what depth of unconsiousness ,or even lifelessness that ends.

Our job was usually boring 95% of the time, a taxi ride.... the 5% that did matter were 'worked' , or in laymans terms fanning the last flames of life .

So how did some of these folks desribe what we did? describe our appearance even though they were never consious? recite what we said?

~S~

 

[buttercup]

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

i'm an ex-emt, 3 decades of service. We were told the 'hearing is always last to go' , but one wonders what depth of unconsiousness ,or even lifelessness that ends.

Our job was usually boring 95% of the time, a taxi ride.... the 5% that did matter were 'worked' , or in laymans terms fanning the last flames of life .

So how did some of these folks desribe what we did? describe our appearance even though they were never consious? recite what we said?

~S~

Very interesting.... there are tons of stories of people who were near death or were actually pronounced dead, and their lives changed dramatically because of what they experienced. Being able to see (from a different perspective) what was happening to their physical bodies, at the time. It's fascinating.

And to answer the question of the thread, I've had too many to list. My salvation experience, my name change experience, God's provision in crazy miraculous ways when I was taking several classes through YWAM (Youth With A Mission) in Hawaii and Switzerland, plus lots of other experiences that are kind of personal to talk about here, but truly amazing and for me just reinforce my faith.

ETA: Here is my name change story, on my old blog, for anyone who wants to read it.

 

[harmonica]

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

i'm an ex-emt, 3 decades of service. We were told the 'hearing is always last to go' , but one wonders what depth of unconsiousness ,or even lifelessness that ends.

Our job was usually boring 95% of the time, a taxi ride.... the 5% that did matter were 'worked' , or in laymans terms fanning the last flames of life .

So how did some of these folks desribe what we did? describe our appearance even though they were never consious? recite what we said?

~S~

documented --unbiased links/etc?

 

[sparky]

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

i'm an ex-emt, 3 decades of service. We were told the 'hearing is always last to go' , but one wonders what depth of unconsiousness ,or even lifelessness that ends.

Our job was usually boring 95% of the time, a taxi ride.... the 5% that did matter were 'worked' , or in laymans terms fanning the last flames of life .

So how did some of these folks desribe what we did? describe our appearance even though they were never consious? recite what we said?

~S~

documented --unbiased links/etc?

Do you really think an emt would document something s/he was made aware of after the fact ?

Do you really think we document every 'wierd' thing that happens in the field?

~S~

 

[sparky]

Very interesting.... there are tons of stories of people who were near death or were actually pronounced dead, and their lives changed dramatically because of what they experienced. Being able to see (from a different perspective) what was happening to their physical bodies, at the time. It's fascinating.

It's not uncommon.

The one thing i don't miss is that face of pain out there. And there's a lot of it. The worst was when they were consious and passed , some even forwarding 'tell my kids i love them' etc....farewells

We saw so many pass , that term deadweight exists for a reason, but that reason escapes us still constrained to our mortal coil.

One just feels small, helpless , an inconsequential molecule in the grander scheme of the universe imposing it's weight .....

~S~

 

[daveman]

Yes both existence and nonexistence are equally faith based.
Both rely on whether individuals BELIEVE and call it that or something else.

Just like DREAMS harmonica
We can neither prove nor disprove when someone SAYS they "had a dream" and
what that dream entailed or what it means. All faith based.

Yet we are okay socially with accepting when someone SAYS they dreamed something.
Someday we will be okay with people SAYING they saw spirits or had messages or visions
of something and what it meant to them.

Both are equally faith based and cannot be proven or disproven one way or another.

if you can't prove something, it's not there
.....wrong---everybody dreams and/or most people dream = much more people dream than have ''divine intervention''
Dreams: The Mysteries of Sleep - Canoe.com
you never dreamed?

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

irrelevant--who cares?? idiotic
no proof of a divine power--plain and simple

1) Just because you haven't experienced anything spiritual or divine doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Talking to you about stuff like this is akin to trying to explain the color blue to a blind person.

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

YOU are disrespecting ME--so stop it --please

Good Gaea, but militant atheists are such insufferable assholes.

Not to mention attention whores.

 

[sparky]

I held my mothers hand for the last time last saturday night, as the cancer ate her alive.

I told here it was alright to go ....

she was still lucid , right up to the end

she died early sunday morning

methinks there's a certain spiritual experience in watching one pass , and no, i really can't explain it

~S~

 

[harmonica]

if you can't prove something, it's not there
.....wrong---everybody dreams and/or most people dream = much more people dream than have ''divine intervention''
Dreams: The Mysteries of Sleep - Canoe.com
you never dreamed?

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

irrelevant--who cares?? idiotic
no proof of a divine power--plain and simple

1) Just because you haven't experienced anything spiritual or divine doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Talking to you about stuff like this is akin to trying to explain the color blue to a blind person.

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

YOU are disrespecting ME--so stop it --please

Good Gaea, but militant atheists are such insufferable assholes.

Not to mention attention whores.

you prove yourself to be a true believer /christian--by being hateful and calling people aholes
jesus would be proud of you
you prove my points

 

[harmonica]

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

i'm an ex-emt, 3 decades of service. We were told the 'hearing is always last to go' , but one wonders what depth of unconsiousness ,or even lifelessness that ends.

Our job was usually boring 95% of the time, a taxi ride.... the 5% that did matter were 'worked' , or in laymans terms fanning the last flames of life .

So how did some of these folks desribe what we did? describe our appearance even though they were never consious? recite what we said?

~S~

documented --unbiased links/etc?

Do you really think an emt would document something s/he was made aware of after the fact ?

Do you really think we document every 'wierd' thing that happens in the field?

~S~

so then it's just your opinion--not fact

 

[daveman]

You can't prove the content of the dreams.
We can show the brain has certain activities that correspond to dream states.
But there is no proof of content.

Do you get what I'm saying harmonica?

We have been "taking it on faith" that people dream what they said they dream.
No proof.
All faith based on taking people's word for it!!!

irrelevant--who cares?? idiotic
no proof of a divine power--plain and simple

1) Just because you haven't experienced anything spiritual or divine doesn't mean it doesn't exist. Talking to you about stuff like this is akin to trying to explain the color blue to a blind person.

2) This thread was asking people who HAVE had an experience to share it, not for people who haven't to incessantly argue or troll. I'm pretty sure she didn't start this thread for the purpose of debate (she can correct me if I'm wrong) so quit derailing the thread and disrespecting Emily's intention.

YOU are disrespecting ME--so stop it --please

Good Gaea, but militant atheists are such insufferable assholes.

Not to mention attention whores.

you prove yourself to be a true believer /christian--by being hateful and calling people aholes
jesus would be proud of you
you prove my points

Look, kid, nobody on here tells you how to collect unemployment or buy meth or whatever you think will help your life.

It costs zero dollars to not be a dick.

But here you are.

 

[buttercup]

I held my mothers hand for the last time last saturday night, as the cancer ate her alive.

I told here it was alright to go ....

she was still lucid , right up to the end

she died early sunday morning

methinks there's a certain spiritual experience in watching one pass , and no, i really can't explain it

~S~

Oh wow, I'm so sorry for your loss. And yes, I understand what you're saying, even if it is difficult to explain.