Another Zimmerman thread -DOJ no civil right violation--LOL

[RetiredGySgt]

Actually Europe has several Countries with much higher violent crime rates. Britain, Scotland, Belgium, France and I think Germany.

No, actually, no industrialized country has the kind of crime rates and murder rates we have. Nowhere near.

Put down the crack pipe and the NRA Propaganda sheet. Our fucked up gun culture makes this the most crime-ridden country in the industrialized world.

Wrong as usual. Shall I link for you again, you have been schooled on this several times.

 

[AvgGuyIA]

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If Zimmerman were black and Trayvon were white, this would have been a different story.

. It never would have been reported.

 

[bgr39]

Actually Europe has several Countries with much higher violent crime rates. Britain, Scotland, Belgium, France and I think Germany.

No, actually, no industrialized country has the kind of crime rates and murder rates we have. Nowhere near.

Put down the crack pipe and the NRA Propaganda sheet. Our fucked up gun culture makes this the most crime-ridden country in the industrialized world.

How about a law says ...
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Anyone caught with an illegal firearm------- automatic 5 years in prison, no parole, no time of for good behavior, no exception.
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Anyone brandishing a firearm during the commission of a crime ------ automatic 10 years in prison, no parole, no time off for good behavior, no exception.
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Anyone that discharges a firearm during the commission of a crime ----- 20 years in prison, no parole, no time off for good behavior, no exception.
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THAT would cut down on the crime/violent crime, one way or another.

 

[RetiredGySgt]

Total crimes per 1000. Countries Compared by Crime Total crimes per 1000. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Top ten European Rates. War News Updates What Country Has The Most Violent Crime Rate Per 100 000 Hint The Answer Will Surprise You

All 10 of the European Countries have a higher violent crime rate then the US. Britain The Most Violent Country In Europe Violence Rate Is 4.36 Times Worse Than in The U.S.

 

[Oldstyle]

The DNA evidence alone showed Simpson was at Nichols at the time of the murder. Blood of Goldman and Nicole were in Simpson's Bronco. Simpson's glove would not fit because Simpson stopped taking his arthritis medication and it caused his hands to swell. The DA's office was incompetent, and Simpson is now where he belongs. The justice system worked well for Simpson.

Really, I've heard that the excuse they had was that Simpson's hands wouldn't fit because the gloves had dried and shrunk in storage, but whatever weak ass excuse they came up with, they asked a question without knowing the answer. They claimed those were OJ's. gloves, and OJ was able to show them gloved that would NOT fit on his hands. Gloves covered with the blood of his dead ex-wife. Frankly, it was the perfect picture of a prosecutor going after a guy with crap evidence.

Blood in all those places could have been planted. and when the cops were caught lying, that blew holes in their credibility.

Now all that said, I think Simpson was guilty, but money made him walk. I think Zimmerman was guilty, but the money he got from all the gun nuts plus the hope that they would get a big settlement out of NBC (they didn't) corrupted the system. Or made it work.

Zimmerman is not white, not sure why it is relevant, skin color has no bearing on either case. The justice system has worked in both cases. The media wanted Zimmerman convicted, the media didn't want Simpson convicted.

I didn't see the Media in the OJ case as being pro-OJ. If anything, OJ showed Americans how our courts work, and it wasn't a pretty picture.

Scream, cry, whine, pitch a hissy fit but your facts don't fit the case no matter how much you want it to. Martin was a big kid who had the power to take down Zimmerman.

Actually, Zimmerman was bigger. He shot an unarmed kid because he was losing a fight.

You can tell that was a Southern California jury. Anyone that ever had leather winter gloves and got them wet knows full well that they shrivel up. Those gloves WERE OJ Simpsons and they WERE covered in the blood of the two people that he killed.

 

[Oldstyle]

The DNA evidence alone showed Simpson was at Nichols at the time of the murder. Blood of Goldman and Nicole were in Simpson's Bronco. Simpson's glove would not fit because Simpson stopped taking his arthritis medication and it caused his hands to swell. The DA's office was incompetent, and Simpson is now where he belongs. The justice system worked well for Simpson.

Really, I've heard that the excuse they had was that Simpson's hands wouldn't fit because the gloves had dried and shrunk in storage, but whatever weak ass excuse they came up with, they asked a question without knowing the answer. They claimed those were OJ's. gloves, and OJ was able to show them gloved that would NOT fit on his hands. Gloves covered with the blood of his dead ex-wife. Frankly, it was the perfect picture of a prosecutor going after a guy with crap evidence.

Blood in all those places could have been planted. and when the cops were caught lying, that blew holes in their credibility.

Now all that said, I think Simpson was guilty, but money made him walk. I think Zimmerman was guilty, but the money he got from all the gun nuts plus the hope that they would get a big settlement out of NBC (they didn't) corrupted the system. Or made it work.

Zimmerman is not white, not sure why it is relevant, skin color has no bearing on either case. The justice system has worked in both cases. The media wanted Zimmerman convicted, the media didn't want Simpson convicted.

I didn't see the Media in the OJ case as being pro-OJ. If anything, OJ showed Americans how our courts work, and it wasn't a pretty picture.

Scream, cry, whine, pitch a hissy fit but your facts don't fit the case no matter how much you want it to. Martin was a big kid who had the power to take down Zimmerman.

Actually, Zimmerman was bigger. He shot an unarmed kid because he was losing a fight.

I don't care how much bigger Zimmerman was...he was a cream puff...if you'll recall from trial testimony he took martial arts classes but his instructor wouldn't let him spar because he didn't want George to get hurt. He was that inept! Zimmerman might have weighed more than Martin but how much of that was pure lard?

 

[Oldstyle]

What evidence? Seriously, Esmeralda...did you even watch that trial? What did George Zimmerman do that night that gave Trayvon Martin a reason to beat him like he did? Because he followed him while talking to the Police on his phone? It's obvious that you bought the "narrative" of what happened in Sanford, Florida and have ignored the evidence that was presented at trial.

I saw what happened in the trial. A big thug stalked an unarmed kid. And when he got his ass kicked, he shot him in cold blood.

The justice system FAILED. Trayvon was sacrificed to the Gods of Gun Culture.

Saying that George Zimmerman "stalked" Trayvon Martin is not representative of what took place that night. He attempted to follow him so that the Police would know where he'd gone. Zimmerman lost Martin because he wasn't following closely. After several minutes, Zimmerman gives up and agrees to meet the police back at the front gate. He's walking back to do that when Trayvon Martin comes at him out of the dark and assaults him.

You'll have to explain how you can shoot someone in "cold blood" when that someone is straddling you and giving you a beating because that makes absolutely no sense at all. A cold blooded shooting would have taken place if Zimmerman had shot Martin from a distance without feeling threatened. Shooting someone who is channeling their inner MMA and beating you senseless is about as far from a cold blooded shooting as you can get!

 

[Politico]

He's eventually going to end up in jail, like OJ. It's funny these folks who claim that being found 'not guilty' is the end of discussion or thought on the issue when they are people who most likely believed the Simpson trial ending in a not guilty verdict was all wrong. Reality means nothing to these people: it's all about what they want to believe, not what is truth.

I think it's more than that. Sometimes the issue becomes bigger than the man.

In the case of OJ, the reason why he was acquitted was that he became a symbol of a racial divide in L.A. in particular, where you had the Rodney King beating, you had Chief Gates arguing choke-holding black men was okay because they were anotomically different, etc. So O.J., who pretty much at that point in his life was mostly hanging out with and having sex with white people was now seen as a symbol of "injustice", when in fact, he was guilty as a cat in a canary cage. once they proved that Fuhrman said one of the two words we can't use on USMB, evidence was irrelvant.

In the case of Zimmerman, we have a gun culture that sincerely believes that Guns empower them in a world they no longer control. Forget that a gun in the home is 43 times more likely to kill a member of your family than a bad guy. it's the ILLUSION they are in love with.

Zimmerman was living the dream. Ignore the fact he had been arrested a number of times before and after the incident for violent acts. Forget the fact that Trayvon had no crimnal record. He was a Second Amendment enthusiast defending himself against an urban thug.

If Zimmerman is guilty, people might have to question the gun culture.

O.J. was guilty of killing his ex-wife.

It was O.J.s cockiness that finally put O.J. in prison (armed robbery).
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Zimmerman was unjustly persecuted because he legally defended himself against a criminal thug.
The Sanford police made the correct decision after they investigated the shooting, as was proven by the jury AFTER they heard ALL the evidence that was related to the shooting.
IF there is any karma, Zimmerman will win 10 million dollars in the lottery.

No he was found not guilty.

 

[JoeB131]

IF Martin wasn't such a criminal, he wouldn't have been shot dead while he was committing a crime.
THAT is a criminal's life, "live fast and die young".
Martin was the poster boy for "live fast and die young".

If Martin was a criminal, where's his arrest record?

Zimmerman had a criminal record- resisting arrest, domestic violence and oh yeah, he shot an unarmed kid.

 

[JoeB131]

Saying that George Zimmerman "stalked" Trayvon Martin is not representative of what took place that night. He attempted to follow him so that the Police would know where he'd gone. Zimmerman lost Martin because he wasn't following closely. After several minutes, Zimmerman gives up and agrees to meet the police back at the front gate. He's walking back to do that when Trayvon Martin comes at him out of the dark and assaults him.

Yeah, if you buy his story, which even you said you don't.

You'll have to explain how you can shoot someone in "cold blood" when that someone is straddling you and giving you a beating because that makes absolutely no sense at all. A cold blooded shooting would have taken place if Zimmerman had shot Martin from a distance without feeling threatened. Shooting someone who is channeling their inner MMA and beating you senseless is about as far from a cold blooded shooting as you can get!

Yeah, right, He had an owie on his head. Poor baby.

And there you have it, folks, the gun nutter lobby making a hero out of a drug addled thug who shot an unarmed child because, hey, they've got tiny dicks.

 

[JoeB131]

Wrong as usual. Shall I link for you again, you have been schooled on this several times.

You mean from the same tired, NRA propaganda sites I've debunked numerous times? Don't waste my fucking time.

 

[JoeB131]

I don't care how much bigger Zimmerman was...he was a cream puff...if you'll recall from trial testimony he took martial arts classes but his instructor wouldn't let him spar because he didn't want George to get hurt. He was that inept! Zimmerman might have weighed more than Martin but how much of that was pure lard?

So what you are saying is that we should let all the drug-addled lard-asses go out there wiht guns to make up for their tiny peckers... Is this your argument.

Hey, imagine if we lived in a society where gun ownership had to be EARNED. Which means we don't give them to fat losers who can't hold down jobs and are still taking ADHD medicines in their 30's.

Martin might be still alive because Lard-ass wouldn't have gotten out of the truck.

 

[JoeB131]

You can tell that was a Southern California jury. Anyone that ever had leather winter gloves and got them wet knows full well that they shrivel up. Those gloves WERE OJ Simpsons and they WERE covered in the blood of the two people that he killed.

Again, guy, you can try to dance around it all day. If it doesn't fit, you must acquit.

I personally think OJ really did it, but when you have prosecutors who LIE to get their point across, you should probably throw out their evidence on principle.

 

[JoeB131]

Total crimes per 1000. Countries Compared by Crime Total crimes per 1000. International Statistics at NationMaster.com

Top ten European Rates. War News Updates What Country Has The Most Violent Crime Rate Per 100 000 Hint The Answer Will Surprise You

All 10 of the European Countries have a higher violent crime rate then the US. Britain The Most Violent Country In Europe Violence Rate Is 4.36 Times Worse Than in The U.S.

Here's the problem with these bullshit figures. The US and UK don't count "violent crime" the same way. The standard for assault in the UK is far lower than the US. They pretty much charge you with assault for any fist thrown after a soccer match.

Here's the real figure you should note. The US had 16,000 homicides, 11,000 committed with guns. The UK has 650 h omicides a year, only 50 of them committed with guns.

 

[Papageorgio]

Where are all the liberals that would rather let a guilty man go rather than find an innocent man guilty?

 

[JoeB131]

Where are all the liberals that would rather let a guilty man go rather than find an innocent man guilty?

There's no way that Zimmerman is innocent. No one doubts for a second he killed Martin. He did it. He admits it.

the only 'question" is whether shooting this unarmed kid because your fat doughy ass was getting kicked in a fight you provoked is "self-defense" or not.

 

[Muhammed]

It never ceases to amaze me how many idiots believe that a short and obese middle-aged guy somehow ran down and attacked a young and tall wide receiver.

 

[JoeB131]

It never ceases to amaze me how many idiots believe that a short and obese middle-aged guy somehow ran down and attacked a young and tall wide receiver.

which isn't what anyone claimed.

 

[bgr39]

IF Martin wasn't such a criminal, he wouldn't have been shot dead while he was committing a crime.
THAT is a criminal's life, "live fast and die young".
Martin was the poster boy for "live fast and die young".

If Martin was a criminal, where's his arrest record?

Zimmerman had a criminal record- resisting arrest, domestic violence and oh yeah, he shot an unarmed kid.

Martin committed an assault and battery that night. THAT WAS A CRIME.
Committing a crime makes them a CRIMINAL.
TWICE Zimmerman was judged to be innocent of any crime that night.
Martin committed the only crime that night.
There, does THAT clear it up for you??????? ROTF

 

[JoeB131]

Martin committed an assault and battery that night. THAT WAS A CRIME.
Committing a crime makes them a CRIMINAL.
TWICE Zimmerman was judged to be innocent of any crime that night.
Martin committed the only crime that night.
There, does THAT clear it up for you??????? ROTF

Yes, what dark times we live in when 16 year old kids can terrorize grown men with cop fantasies...

Zimmerman murdered a child and he's going to murder someone else, eventually.

You guys own him.