another reason this never Trumper likes what he hears from Trump. I am re evaluating

[Desperado]

Term limits means that you are telling someone "you cannot vote for that person because I think they have served long enough". That is not your place or mine...short of an amendment to the constitution stating that is the law of the land.

Yet it is OK for the office of the President. If it is fine for the President, Senators and Congressmen should have no problem with it.

 

[candycorn]

Why do you think the American people can’t elect whom they want?

I think the public in general is incredibly ignorant and there is a big disconnect between what they think they are voting for what they are actually voting for.

I think the electorate gets it right more often than not. Armchair commentators on the news channels, we on social media, and the shock troops fielded by the Party outrage machines are complicit in being overly critical, overly sensitive, and wanting immediate results when our system is designed to be deliberate.88

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Term limits means that you are telling someone "you cannot vote for that person because I think they have served long enough". That is not your place or mine...short of an amendment to the constitution stating that is the law of the land.

Yet it is OK for the office of the President. If it is fine for the President, Senators and Congressmen should have no problem with it.

That was added to the Constitution...if we do that for this then I would be cool with it


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[nat4900]

and especially the DC swamp.

Yeah........LOL

 

[basquebromance]

Trump doesn't even collude with his own government, let alone the Russians. he sits down and makes decisions. he's his own man. he's instinctive. he's instinctive. he's instinctive. get it already?

 

[LoneLaugher]

Trump <yuck> said something marvelous today.. He spoke in favor of term limiting congresscriters. I have been in favor of this forever.

Congresscriters sticking to the public teat like ticks have botherd me forever. This goes for republicans like McCain as well as Democrats like Kennedy. 20 years and done is a good way of getting new blood into the halls of congress.

What are the good arguments aganst term limits?

 

[tycho1572]

Trump is winning the hearts of everyone who wants to see this country succeed.

 

[LoneLaugher]

This is a shiny object.

Limit the amount a campaign can spend and the amount that outside groups can spend on campaigns and the impetus for corruption subsides.

If challengers are not deterred from running due to huge gaps in funding, more incumbents will be forced to actually do their jobs.

Natural term limits are found in campaign finance reform.

 

[tycho1572]

After 8 years of obama, we’re finally seeing an increase of patriotism.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

After 8 years of obama, we’re finally seeing an increase of patriotism.

If one’s patriotism is affected by the person sitting in the White House it is fake patriotism.


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[dcbl]

Term limits means that you are telling someone "you cannot vote for that person because I think they have served long enough". That is not your place or mine...short of an amendment to the constitution stating that is the law of the land.

I get this argument, and I get it that term limits were shot down in 1995 by SCOTUS in a 5-4 decision

Does not mean they won't pass muster another time and shouldn't that apply to POTUS as well?

Truman, Ike, Reagan, Clinton and Obama would have all likely been able to win a 3rd term

 

[tycho1572]

After 8 years of obama, we’re finally seeing an increase of patriotism.

If one’s patriotism is affected by the person sitting in the White House it is fake patriotism.


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You'll always be seen as one of our village idiots.
I often think you and deanrd are in some weird competition to see who can post the dumbest shit.

 

[westwall]

Wrong, it makes it easier for the statists to consolidate power so that they control every aspect of elections. Take a look at how the Democrat party controlled the election so that Bernie had no chance to win the Primary. That is statist control of the electoral process and that could only have happened with a long term campaign run by people who have been there for far too long.

Term limits means that the people have a chance to be more involved in the electoral process. Doesn't mean it will happen, just means they have a better chance of it happening.

Using the primaries is a terrible example as they have nothing to do with the constitution, there is nothing about them in the constitution. The current primary system is very new, it was not that long ago that the parties choose their nominee without any input from the non-party leaders. There is no requirement for them to do so. It is for a different thread but I think that a case could be made that our choices to vote for in November have gotten much worse since the current system was implemented.

Term limits means that you are telling someone "you cannot vote for that person because I think they have served long enough". That is not your place or mine...short of an amendment to the constitution stating that is the law of the land.

Wow. No shit. Who woulda thunk that the political class would set up a system that allowed them to control the outcome. Who knew....

In other words, thanks for proving my point so eloquently.

 

[westwall]

Trump <yuck> said something marvelous today.. He spoke in favor of term limiting congresscriters. I have been in favor of this forever.

Congresscriters sticking to the public teat like ticks have botherd me forever. This goes for republicans like McCain as well as Democrats like Kennedy. 20 years and done is a good way of getting new blood into the halls of congress.

I disagree with term limits.

I will tell you what I like about Trump which is a 180 from the campaign though. The “we’ll see what happens” comments in terms of complex issues is refreshing. Nobody can say, for example, where we’ll be with NK a year from now. Anyone who says the do is lying and if they do predict it correctly it is because their guess was correct. So Trump is right with the ambiguity. The upshot is that his worldview is wrong, he has no intellectual bandwidth to make informed decisions, he has no bench strength in most departments to execute a winning strategy for the American people, and he has the temperament of a sexually frustrated 9th grader.

The Political Class is desperate to prevent term limits. it means they lose power. Why do you favor the political class over the American people?

Why do you think the American people can’t elect whom they want?

Because the political class prevents Americans from voting for who they care for. Remember the old adage "choosing the lesser of two evils"? You are still voting for evil. The political class only allows the American people to vote for their candidates. That is not how this country was set up. And that is the best thing about this last election. it showed just how corrupt the whole process is.

Donald Trump got the most votes in the primaries and was the nominee. The only people who allowed him to run and win were the voters.

Hillary got the most votes in the primaries and was the nominee. The only people who allowed him to run and win were the voters

If Bernie or Ted Cruz had gotten more votes from the voters....they would have been the nominees.

Had he been a Democrat the shrilary would have won that primary. The difference is the repubs just hadn't gotten around to instituting the "superdelegates" that handed the primary to the shrilary even though the overwhelming support was for Bernie.

Once again, thanks for proving my point so eloquently.

 

[westwall]

They have been talking about this for 100 year...total bullshit. Just red meat to the masses.

Personally I find term limits to be a terrible idea. Who am I to tell someone else they cannot vote for someone they think is doing a great job...very statist to me.

We were given a way to limit terms, it is called elections every two years. That our citizenry has gotten too lazy and stupid to vote people out of office does not in my opinion justify taking away the liberty to vote for whom you want.

Outside of an actual amendment to the constitution, i could never support such a thing

This position is completely out of touch for a person who claims to be anti statist. Just sayin...

I do not want the state imposing artificial term limits...how is that out of touch for an anti-statist?

I believe that choice belongs to the people in the voting booth...how is that out of touch for an anti-statist?

No term limits GUARANTEE'S that statists control the government. That's the point.

Artificial term limits set by the state GUARANTEE'S to take away the liberty of the individual to make the choice themselves

The problem is not the lack of term limits, it is the laziness and ignorance of the populous. But neither of those things is against the constitution

Apathy is the enemy, not politicians

Apathy is the result of having no meaningful choices. When it becomes clear to an electorate that their opinions no longer matter, they don't bother.

 

[Harpy Eagle]

Wrong, it makes it easier for the statists to consolidate power so that they control every aspect of elections. Take a look at how the Democrat party controlled the election so that Bernie had no chance to win the Primary. That is statist control of the electoral process and that could only have happened with a long term campaign run by people who have been there for far too long.

Term limits means that the people have a chance to be more involved in the electoral process. Doesn't mean it will happen, just means they have a better chance of it happening.

Using the primaries is a terrible example as they have nothing to do with the constitution, there is nothing about them in the constitution. The current primary system is very new, it was not that long ago that the parties choose their nominee without any input from the non-party leaders. There is no requirement for them to do so. It is for a different thread but I think that a case could be made that our choices to vote for in November have gotten much worse since the current system was implemented.

Term limits means that you are telling someone "you cannot vote for that person because I think they have served long enough". That is not your place or mine...short of an amendment to the constitution stating that is the law of the land.

Wow. No shit. Who woulda thunk that the political class would set up a system that allowed them to control the outcome. Who knew....

In other words, thanks for proving my point so eloquently.

I proved you know nothing about history, that is about all I proved.

 

[OKTexas]

Trump <yuck> said something marvelous today.. He spoke in favor of term limiting congresscriters. I have been in favor of this forever.

It was one of his campaign promises, so you can take it to the bank that he will fight to make it happen

He can talk about it, but he has no roll in the Amendment process.


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[dcbl]

Trump <yuck> said something marvelous today.. He spoke in favor of term limiting congresscriters. I have been in favor of this forever.

It was one of his campaign promises, so you can take it to the bank that he will fight to make it happen

He can talk about it, but he has no roll in the Amendment process.


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SCOTUS is different than it was in 1995

would a term limit law pass muster with this crop of justices?

I do not know

an amendment would absolutely do it; but we all know that is highly improbable

but it is not really the only way

why does the 22nd amendment not carry over towards making term limits constitutional for any elected office?

it would seem to me that it would be precedent setting

 

[candycorn]

I disagree with term limits.

I will tell you what I like about Trump which is a 180 from the campaign though. The “we’ll see what happens” comments in terms of complex issues is refreshing. Nobody can say, for example, where we’ll be with NK a year from now. Anyone who says the do is lying and if they do predict it correctly it is because their guess was correct. So Trump is right with the ambiguity. The upshot is that his worldview is wrong, he has no intellectual bandwidth to make informed decisions, he has no bench strength in most departments to execute a winning strategy for the American people, and he has the temperament of a sexually frustrated 9th grader.

The Political Class is desperate to prevent term limits. it means they lose power. Why do you favor the political class over the American people?

Why do you think the American people can’t elect whom they want?

Because the political class prevents Americans from voting for who they care for. Remember the old adage "choosing the lesser of two evils"? You are still voting for evil. The political class only allows the American people to vote for their candidates. That is not how this country was set up. And that is the best thing about this last election. it showed just how corrupt the whole process is.

Donald Trump got the most votes in the primaries and was the nominee. The only people who allowed him to run and win were the voters.

Hillary got the most votes in the primaries and was the nominee. The only people who allowed him to run and win were the voters

If Bernie or Ted Cruz had gotten more votes from the voters....they would have been the nominees.

Had he been a Democrat the shrilary would have won that primary. The difference is the repubs just hadn't gotten around to instituting the "superdelegates" that handed the primary to the shrilary even though the overwhelming support was for Bernie.

Once again, thanks for proving my point so eloquently.

Superdelegate or any delegates for that matter don’t show up until the national convention. Prior to that it was regular old primary voters and Hillary won every large state easily over Sanders.

One would think that if you were going to attempt your level of smugness you would have at least tried to be somewhat accurate.

 

[candycorn]

This position is completely out of touch for a person who claims to be anti statist. Just sayin...

I do not want the state imposing artificial term limits...how is that out of touch for an anti-statist?

I believe that choice belongs to the people in the voting booth...how is that out of touch for an anti-statist?

No term limits GUARANTEE'S that statists control the government. That's the point.

Artificial term limits set by the state GUARANTEE'S to take away the liberty of the individual to make the choice themselves

The problem is not the lack of term limits, it is the laziness and ignorance of the populous. But neither of those things is against the constitution

Apathy is the enemy, not politicians

Apathy is the result of having no meaningful choices. When it becomes clear to an electorate that their opinions no longer matter, they don't bother.

Not sure what you want.

The Iowa caucuses....source PBS

“Even so, only one in five registered voters in Iowa shows up to caucus, leaving just a sliver of partisan activists to anoint the early front-runners and winnow the primary field.”

When you have max numbers of choice of candidates in the first contest...the turnout is 20%.
Clearly apathy isn’t caused by lack of choices.