Another Founding Document Trampled Asunder

[the_human_being]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

 

[C_Clayton_Jones]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

Nonsense.

This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Congress has ‘passed’ no such ‘laws.’

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits conjoining church and state, where government is forbidden by the Constitution to promote, advance, or facilitate religious dogma in the public sector – and schools compelling religious practice in an official capacity violates the First Amendment, where schools are part of the government.

And students and teachers are at complete liberty to pray in public school provided such religious expression is not mandated by the school’s administration.

Consequently, the Constitution has not been ‘trampled’; indeed, the Constitution and its case law are functioning exactly as the Framers intended, where the rights of citizens are being acknowledged and protected, and the rule of law respected.

 

[boedicca]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

Encouragement is not the equivalent of making something Mandatory and Compulsory at the point of a gun.

And it's a tad ironic that you posted that the Founders said that RELIGION and MORALITY are also necessary for good government. They were right. For people to engage in good self-government, they must have values and a belief system that enables them to make moral and ethical judgements, something you Progs Loons have diligently worked to destroy over the past few decades.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

It's pretty silly that it's 2016 and congress still opens its sessions with a prayer.

 

[the_human_being]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

Encouragement is not the equivalent of making something Mandatory and Compulsory at the point of a gun.

And it's a tad ironic that you posted that the Founders said that RELIGION and MORALITY are also necessary for good government. They were right. For people to engage in good self-government, they must have values and a belief system that enables them to make moral and ethical judgements, something you Progs Loons have diligently worked to destroy over the past few decades.

Read it again. You totally did not comprehend what was said.

 

[the_human_being]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

Nonsense.

This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Congress has ‘passed’ no such ‘laws.’

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits conjoining church and state, where government is forbidden by the Constitution to promote, advance, or facilitate religious dogma in the public sector – and schools compelling religious practice in an official capacity violates the First Amendment, where schools are part of the government.

And students and teachers are at complete liberty to pray in public school provided such religious expression is not mandated by the school’s administration.

Consequently, the Constitution has not been ‘trampled’; indeed, the Constitution and its case law are functioning exactly as the Framers intended, where the rights of citizens are being acknowledged and protected, and the rule of law respected.

Yes. The ruling of the Court made atheism the religion of the land.

Supreme Court Rulings on School Prayer and Bible Reading

 

[the_human_being]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

It's pretty silly that it's 2016 and congress still opens its sessions with a prayer.

Hypocritical actually.

 

[TheOldSchool]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

It's pretty silly that it's 2016 and congress still opens its sessions with a prayer.

Hypocritical actually.

Agreed they should stop. Or include a prayer from every religion that is requested of it.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The secular Constitution separates church and state.

 

[The Irish Ram]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

Nonsense.

This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Congress has ‘passed’ no such ‘laws.’

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits conjoining church and state, where government is forbidden by the Constitution to promote, advance, or facilitate religious dogma in the public sector – and schools compelling religious practice in an official capacity violates the First Amendment, where schools are part of the government.

And students and teachers are at complete liberty to pray in public school provided such religious expression is not mandated by the school’s administration.

Consequently, the Constitution has not been ‘trampled’; indeed, the Constitution and its case law are functioning exactly as the Framers intended, where the rights of citizens are being acknowledged and protected, and the rule of law respected.

Those who wrote the Constitution did so after getting up off their knees in prayer to God, through Jesus Christ. Separation of church and state was to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government.
Then:

And now:

 

[boedicca]

The secular Constitution separates church and state.

The Secular Constitution was informed by Judeo Christian philosophy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

"Separation of church and state was to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government."

You got the second half wrong.

Religious values as much and no more or less than secular ethics infuse government.

Organized religion is kept out on the steps.

 

[the_human_being]

In our apostacy, we have set ourselves and our nation on a course of calamity. We have moved from authority to relativism. We have abolished all moral code and adopted no fixed standard. We have moved from truth to pragmatism. It matters not what is best for the whole but only does it work for ME? We have moved from revelation to feeling. Psychology has been substituted for theology. We have moved from convictions to opinions. My right to be happy trumps all else.

The media has normalized the abnormal. The media has desensitized us by constantly flooding us with more and more immoral and corrupt depravity until it is accepted norm. The media has legitimized corruption at all levels of government and excused immorality and corruption from our Hollywood actors, to sports icons to politicians.

The bottom line though is the simple truth that it is we, as uncommitted bystanders who's own apathy is to blame for allowing this decline. Our children have no one to look to for direction since we do not correct or set example.

 

[JakeStarkey]

You right to influence is no greater than others.

 

[guno]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

Nonsense.

This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Congress has ‘passed’ no such ‘laws.’

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits conjoining church and state, where government is forbidden by the Constitution to promote, advance, or facilitate religious dogma in the public sector – and schools compelling religious practice in an official capacity violates the First Amendment, where schools are part of the government.

And students and teachers are at complete liberty to pray in public school provided such religious expression is not mandated by the school’s administration.

Consequently, the Constitution has not been ‘trampled’; indeed, the Constitution and its case law are functioning exactly as the Framers intended, where the rights of citizens are being acknowledged and protected, and the rule of law respected.

Those who wrote the Constitution did so after getting up off their knees in prayer to God, through Jesus Christ. Separation of church and state was to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government.
Then:

And now:

founding fathers or the most part were deists and nowhere is your jesus mentioned

The Christian Nation Myth

The Christian Nation Myth

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[guno]

The secular Constitution separates church and state.

The Secular Constitution was informed by Judeo Christian philosophy.

Judeo Christian

There’s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian

The label “Judeo-Christian” tends to assume, at the expense of Judaism, that Christians and Jews believe essentially the same thing

There’s No Such Thing as Judeo-Christian Values

There is no such thing as "Judeo-Christian" anything!

Mostly Judeo-Christian is a term used by Protestant Christians who either want to deny their anti-Jewish feelings or to enlist Jewish support for a philosophically or religiously questionable enterprise in public policy.

 

[JakeStarkey]

Only four could be considered deists, guno: you have been corrected before with incontrovertible evidence.

One for sure and maybe two were proto-evangelists as we understand that term.

Most were weak to moderate Christians: Quakers, Episcopalians, and Congregationalists for the most part.

 

[JakeStarkey]

The Constitution is an infusion of Christian and enlightenment values.

 

[the_human_being]

Following is a direct quote from the Freedom Ordinance of 1787, one of this nation's most treasured founding documents: "Religion, morality, and knowledge, being necessary to good government and the happiness of mankind, schools and the means of education shall forever be encouraged."

Today, like our Constitution, this document has become trampled asunder by our elected leaders. Our hypocritical Congress opens it's business with a prayer by a clergyman yet it has passed laws forbidding prayer in public schools and sporting events. They open with a prayer yet forbid a child to pray aloud.

Nonsense.

This is as ignorant as it is wrong.

Congress has ‘passed’ no such ‘laws.’

The Establishment Clause of the First Amendment prohibits conjoining church and state, where government is forbidden by the Constitution to promote, advance, or facilitate religious dogma in the public sector – and schools compelling religious practice in an official capacity violates the First Amendment, where schools are part of the government.

And students and teachers are at complete liberty to pray in public school provided such religious expression is not mandated by the school’s administration.

Consequently, the Constitution has not been ‘trampled’; indeed, the Constitution and its case law are functioning exactly as the Framers intended, where the rights of citizens are being acknowledged and protected, and the rule of law respected.

Those who wrote the Constitution did so after getting up off their knees in prayer to God, through Jesus Christ. Separation of church and state was to keep government out of religion, not religion out of government.
Then:

And now:

founding fathers or the most part were deists and nowhere is your jesus mentioned

The Christian Nation Myth

The Christian Nation Myth

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Well, since today is the 4th of July, need I point to the words, "endowed by their CREATOR"?

 

[IndependantAce]

The Constitution was much more religious than secular.

The Founders believed people were endowed by their creator with inalienable rights; this in many ways mirrors with the 10 Commandments which requires people to respect others' property ("thou shalt not kill", "thou shalt not covet", etc).

However secular progressivism is more influenced by Jeremy Bentham and John Stuart Mill, who believed that "rights" such as those outlined in the Bill of rights were nonsense, and essentially that might makes right, and advocated a form of secular, state socialism instead.