Another Debate Audience Recites Pledge when Moderator says "no!"

[teapartysamurai]

anyone who finds reciting the pledge as acceptable is a statist traitor

Dude, you're in the extreme minority on this one. Give it up. 99.9% of the population sees nothing wrong with reciting the pledge itself. It's when you compel others to do it is where the problems begin.

Appeal to the majority.

Most Germans saw nothing wrong with pledging to Hitler.

Show us where the pledge is showing allegiance to any one "person."

It's a pledge to the country.

Why do you hate that so much?

 

[teapartysamurai]

Nationalists swear loyalty to a nation and a State.

I wear loyalty to my principles.

I support this or any other State only insomuch as it upholds those principles and I will oppose it whenever it violates them.

That's what it means to have principles.

And so the nation has to revolve around YOU or that's not good enough.

 

[JBeukema]

To pledge to an indivisible nation flies in the face of everything this FF believed about the right and duty to destroy and replace bad systems.

So you hate the country! Thank you for admitting it.

Yes.. the Founding Fathers hated America...

Especially that Jefferson

 

[teapartysamurai]

...And, there's little-chance the person who initiated The Pledge was a Teabagger, right?? ​

....And, ANOTHER herd o' 'Baggers have fulfilled their patriotic-duties for another YEAR....no (actual) thinking OR work REQUIRED!!​

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Man! Do you see the anger, the fury from liberals! The country is reciting the pledge at debate and they can't stop it!

It's enfuriating them! They KNOW the country is arisen and will go voting booth on Tuesday in that spirit! Man it has them scared and angry at the same time!

I'm loving it!

PI? You're back?

Who is PI?

 

[uscitizen]

It's "political" to show pride in your country!

If it were truly about pride in country, there wouldn't be any problem. That isn't what it's about though. It's about the ritual.

I do the ritual, I'm part of the "in" group. You don't do the ritual, you're part of the "out" group.

That's it. That's what it's about. For the controlers of the marrionette strings, it's about getting you to vote against your own best interests based on this faux-patriotsm divide and conquer idiocy.

Great post. Pretty much my thoughts on it.

I have gone 40 years without saying the pledge.

I am also a decorated and wounded (2X) combat vet.
Never been in jail (I guess stockade time in the military does not count? ).
Nor even been charged with a crime. Not even a moving violation in my vehicles.
Always vote, pay taxes and be nice to my neighbors (if they deserve it).

Tell me now how not saying the pledge makes me less of an American.
Or a bad person.

 

[LiberalNut]

It's a pledge to the country.

No, it's a pledge to a flag and the Republic for which it stands. For you though, it's a pledge to an ideology fed to you by those who want you to vote against your own interests. How about that last line of the pledge...

"with liberty and justice for all"

Do you REALLY believe in that? Really? Liberty and justice for hispanic, liberal, homosexulas who get abortions?

 

[rightwinger]

I think the whole thing was a shameless abuse of The Pledge of Alegience for political gain

It's an "abuse of the pledge" to say the pledge AT A DEBATE!!!!!!!!!!!

It's "political" to show pride in your country!

The ONLY reason liberals would think it was for "political gain" is IF they KNOW people see them as hating the country, and that conservatives have the upper hand when it comes to patriotism.

WHY do you think liberals are all looking for ways to excuse their contempt for this open act of patriotism.

Because they know people see them as hating the country.

And people are right. If liberals loved their country as much as conservatives they wouldn't have a problem with a spontaneous reciting of the pledge!

The only reason they would get into little snob fits about this is if they DO hate the country and they don't LIKE it that there are people who still DO love the country.

Yeah, there is a political agenda with this pledge all right AND IT'S YOURS LIBERALS. You want people to hate the country FOR YOUR POLITICAL GAIN!

You only make it all too obvious with your objections in this thread!

Remember this and vote!

Its a debate with rules. The audience is there to observe not participate in partisan patriotism. If the candidate felt so strongly about saying the pledge before the debate, he should have insisted on it before hand.

To hijack the debate to conduct a "I am more patriotic than my opponent" display is an abuse of The Pledge of Alegience for political gain.

 

[teapartysamurai]

The amount to which right wingers go for this faux-patriotism schtick is simply astonishing. They are for the big government forcing children to recite words they don't understand no less. If right wingers were computers, the internal inconsistencies would shut them down. Blue screen of death baby.

Truth is, right wingerism isn't about patriotism. It is in essense a religious movement. That's why they are all into these rituals and use them to define the in group from the out group. It's obvious to anyone with the capacity for independent thought but we all know the right wing doesn't encourage that.

Here we go again. Another screed about us all being knucking dragging rednecks.

Do you see the contempt and frothing vitriol in this? The rage?

They can't STAND that you say the pledge AND that you are going to vote Tuesday believing what you do!

Remember these liberal snobs on Tuesday and VOTE THEM OUT OF POWER!

 

[RadiomanATL]

It's a pledge to the country.

No, it's a pledge to a flag and the Republic for which it stands. For you though, it's a pledge to an ideology fed to you by those who want you to vote against your own interests. How about that last line of the pledge...

"with liberty and justice for all"

Do you REALLY believe in that? Really? Liberty and justice for hispanic, liberal, homosexulas who get abortions?

If they are homosexual, they sure went out of their way to get knocked up so they could get an abortion.

 

[teapartysamurai]

Anyone notice TPSam's pledge video is missing the 'under God' the rightwingers added in direct contradiction to the principles laid out in the 1st Amendment?

That's because the pledge that Red Skelton is talking about was used before "Under God" was put in, in the 50s.

That's why I also include John Waynes.

 

[uscitizen]

Man! Do you see the anger, the fury from liberals! The country is reciting the pledge at debate and they can't stop it!

It's enfuriating them! They KNOW the country is arisen and will go voting booth on Tuesday in that spirit! Man it has them scared and angry at the same time!

I'm loving it!

PI? You're back?

Who is PI?

Perfectly Ignorant?

 

[JBeukema]

Wow... when the public wakes up, they sure wake up fast... and are highly offended it seems.

I think that this election is the least of the left's worries, for the whole world is waking up and seeing what mischief they've been up to.

Nationalism is never a good thing.

Then you won't mind leaving America and renouncing your citizenship? After all... being proud of your nation and heritage and culture is meaningless.

Isn't it?

Which heritage is that?

Slavekeeping?

Annexing Hawaii?

Locking ethnic Japanese in internment camps?

Segregation?

Male-only suffrage?

Or the heritage of telling bad government to **** off and changing it to make it better- first by telling the king to go **** himself then by throwing the Articles of Confederation in the trash, not to mention amending the Constitution 27 times now...

Which Constitution, which incarnation of this country do you love? is there nothing you would change?

Do you have any principles at all?

 

[teapartysamurai]

It's "political" to show pride in your country!

If it were truly about pride in country, there wouldn't be any problem. That isn't what it's about though. It's about the ritual.

I do the ritual, I'm part of the "in" group. You don't do the ritual, you're part of the "out" group.

That's it. That's what it's about. For the controlers of the marrionette strings, it's about getting you to vote against your own best interests based on this faux-patriotsm divide and conquer idiocy.

You notice that it's always in our "best interest" to vote in the way that's in the LIBERAL'S best interest?

What a coinkydink!

For some reason anyone that doesn't vote the way liberals demand isn't voting in his "best interest."

And then liberals talk about controls?????????

 

[JBeukema]

PI? You're back?

Who is PI?

Perfectly Ignorant?

teabaggersam sounds a lot like publicinfantalism to me

 

[teapartysamurai]

By not mindlessly repeating a socialist pledge to a theocracy?

Yeah liberals mindless hatred of the country and their excuses for their contempt for the pledge. That isn't mindless.

Nooooooooooooooooooooooo, of course not!

So what if the Nazis said the Pledge. At least they lived up to it and fought for their country till they ran out of gas. Pledging Allegiance to the United States is no different. Would you fight for this country if needed and show your allegiance to the United States alone when fighting a enemy in a time of war?

Nationalists swear loyalty to a nation and a State.

I wear loyalty to my principles.

I support this or any other State only insomuch as it upholds those principles and I will oppose it whenever it violates them.

That's what it means to have principles.

.

And apparently what that means to you is the country and the world has to revolve around YOU!

 

[teapartysamurai]

To pledge to an indivisible nation flies in the face of everything this FF believed about the right and duty to destroy and replace bad systems.

So you hate the country! Thank you for admitting it.

Yes.. the Founding Fathers hated America...

Especially that Jefferson

When you have a quote of Jefferson directly saying something against the Pledge of Allegiance let me know.

 

[JBeukema]

Reading comprehension is not your forte', is it?

 

[teapartysamurai]

It's "political" to show pride in your country!

If it were truly about pride in country, there wouldn't be any problem. That isn't what it's about though. It's about the ritual.

I do the ritual, I'm part of the "in" group. You don't do the ritual, you're part of the "out" group.

That's it. That's what it's about. For the controlers of the marrionette strings, it's about getting you to vote against your own best interests based on this faux-patriotsm divide and conquer idiocy.

Great post. Pretty much my thoughts on it.

I have gone 40 years without saying the pledge.

I am also a decorated and wounded (2X) combat vet.
Never been in jail (I guess stockade time in the military does not count? ).
Nor even been charged with a crime. Not even a moving violation in my vehicles.
Always vote, pay taxes and be nice to my neighbors (if they deserve it).

Tell me now how not saying the pledge makes me less of an American.
Or a bad person.

Tell me how people saying the pledge makes you so upset and you'll answer your own question.

 

[JBeukema]

So you hate the country! Thank you for admitting it.

Yes.. the Founding Fathers hated America...

Especially that Jefferson

When you have a quote of Jefferson directly saying something against the Pledge of Allegiance let me know.

when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same object, evinces a design to reduce [the people] under absolute despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such government, and to provide new guards for their future security


You know, like telling the king of England to go **** himself.

So much for that 'indivisible' bit.

 

[JBeukema]

"We surely cannot deny to any nation that right whereon our own government is founded, that every one may govern itself according to whatever form it pleases and change these forms at its own will... The will of the nation is the only thing essential to be regarded." --Thomas Jefferson to Gouverneur Morris, 1792. ME 9:36