An Ugly Hideous Monstrous Interpretation Of Matthew 7:13-14

[ding]

Preach on, brother!

 

[Infallible Arbiter]

Preach on, brother!

You're not my spiritual brother either-
God has "broken the brotherhood between Israel and Judah" -
Zech 11:14

forget your lame history lesson

 

[ding]

Preach on, brother!

You're not my spiritual brother either-
God has "broken the brotherhood between Israel and Judah" -
Zech 11:14

forget your lame history lesson

The Zechariah 11:4–17 narrative has features of an allegory, a parable, and a commissioning narrative. The use of a symbolic action (vv. 7, 10, 14), however, places this text squarely in the tradition of classical prophecy. For example, the staff “Delight” signifies the Mosaic covenant, and the staff “Union” signifies the union of Israel and Judah. Breaking the staffs signifies the breaking of the Mosaic covenant (resulting in the destruction of Jerusalem and the exile) and the historical schism between north and south. In this narrative the prophet is the “shepherd” of God’s flock, which is to be slaughtered. The “three shepherds” of v. 8 represent either leaders responsible for the decay in Israelite society or false prophets (cf. vv. 15, 17 and 13:2–6). The service of the good shepherd is contemptuously valued at thirty pieces of silver, the legal indemnity for a gored slave (Ex 21:32). The prophet throws the money into the Temple treasury, showing how poorly God’s love is requited (cf. Mt 26:14–16; 27:5). With great rhetorical irony, payment is rejected. The entire wage-payment scenario may be regarded as another symbolic action, embedded within the primary action.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

An Ugly Hideous Monstrous Interpretation Of Matthew 7:13-14
By JAG
May 30, 2021

Matthew 7:13-14
"Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the way that
leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and
narrow is the road that leads to life, and only a few find it."

Humans put forth their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 and their own
interpretation has consequences. Their own interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14
also tells us what they think God is like in His nature. The interpretation of
Matthew 7:13-14 presented by the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology.
which are {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism (3) Dispensationalism present
God as deliberately choosing to create a race of untold billions of His human
creatures knowing BEFORE He chose to create them that the majority of them
would spend an eternity screaming in agony in the pits of eternal Hell. And many
of these folks tell us not only will the majority of God's human creatures scream in Hell
for all eternity, but it will be the overwhelming vast majority that scream in agony in
Hell for all eternity. Then in the next breath they tell us that God is LOVE and full of
kindness and compassion.

My view is that their free-will-chosen interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 is wrong. It's
not right to do that. It's not a good thing to do that. It's a bad thing to interpret
Matthew 7:13-14 in such a way that portrays God as the kind of Being that
would create untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He created them that
the majority would end up screaming in agony in Hell for all eternity, but then knowing
that, went ahead and created them anyway, but this is exactly and precisely what their
interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 means and they cannot escape from this their
portrayal of the nature of God. Their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14 tells you,
that on their interpretation of Matthew 7:13-14, God has done exactly that and
that God is the kind of Being who would do that and that He actually has done that.

What is the solution to this? There is an alternative interpretation of Matthew
7:13-14 that is reasonable and it says Matthew 7:13-14 describes ONLY the very bad
spiritual conditions of the 1st century when Jesus spoke the words of Matthew 7:13-14
in that 1st century generation of Jews who ended up rejecting Him as their Savior and
ultimately murdered the innocent Lord Jesus. Indeed only a relatively few in that 1st
century generation, did find the Lord Jesus as their Savior. But that 1st century generation
is NOT representative of the entire human race and all future human generations, and
there is NOT a single Bible verse that says it is. So? So you don't have to believe that
it is representative. You can use your free will to choose NOT to believe that it is
representative of the entire human race. And in fact it is NOT representative of the
entire human race and all future generations.


So?

So the three schools of Pessimistic Eschatology {1) Amillennialism (2) Premillennialism
(3) Dispensationalism do NOT have to interpret Matthew7:13-14 as being historically
predictive of the future of the human race. They use their free will to choose to interpret
Matthew 7:13-14 that way ~~ and it's wrong to do that. It's not right. It's not a good
thing to do, to interpret Matthew 7:13-14 in such as way that presents God as being
the kind of Being that creates untold billions of human beings knowing BEFORE He
created them, that the majority of them would end up screaming in agony in Hell for
all eternity.

See also:

Will Only A Few People Be Saved? No. A Great Multitude Will Be Saved.

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JAG

A dead soul cannot scream.

Ezekiel 18:20 “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.”​

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6: 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.​

6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ezekiel 18:32 32For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the LORD God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Revelation 20:14“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” The saved will not see God as the fires of hell.​

Psalms 50:3 “Our God shall come, and shall not keepe silence: a fire shall deuoure before him, and it shalbe very tempestuous round about him.”​

Hebrews 12:29 29For our God is a consuming fire.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.​

King James Version (KJV)​

People who are not like Jesus are heading toward eternal body and soul death. That is the wide road that leads to destruction. Destruction is a sweet thing to them.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

A dead soul cannot scream.

Ezekiel 18:20 “The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.”​

Ecclesiastes 9:5-6: 5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten.​

6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun. Ezekiel 18:32 32For I have no pleasure in the death of him that dieth, saith the LORD God: wherefore turn yourselves, and live ye.

Revelation 20:14“And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.” The saved will not see God as the fires of hell.​

Psalms 50:3 Our God shall come, and shall not keep silence: a fire shall devour before him, and it shall be very tempestuous round about him.​

Hebrews 12:29 29For our God is a consuming fire.

1 John 1:5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.​

King James Version (KJV). Condemning accusers, who don't know how to edify anyone, will be on the wide road that leads to destruction. They destroy people with their mouth. They don't know how to judge rightly.​

 

[james bond]

This is why we follow Jesus for He said, "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened" Matthew 7:7–8

I think it means one has to choose first who to believe and trust.

 

[Iamartiewhitefox]

This is why we follow Jesus for He said, "Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; the one who seeks finds; and to the one who knocks, the door will be opened" Matthew 7:7–8

I think it means one has to choose first who to believe and trust.

Asking needs to be a person to a person. We know what, is where. Whatever is on the web, and in what we call buissness. Businesses are there to get money. They are not there to serve people. It is like this. Ask for a fish, getting a stone, when you don't have money. It is the eqivalent to being stoned. Knock and the door will be opened unto you. It is not trying to knock on an invisible door above you. You will look like you are shaking your fist at God, had you stand there trying to knock on that invisible door above you.
The devil is devouring the soul of they that devour others with their words. People should know who I am talking about. The lion, who is Satan is trying to be like God, doing that through a person. The devouring person is being devoured, not even knowing it. That is what Satan is going about like a devouring lion, seeking who he may devour, means.

 

[surada]

still operating in the Undiscernent of spirits -
Such is the case when the antichrist sits and rules in your temple - II Thess 2:3-7

What?

2 Thessalonians 2:3-7 3Don't let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction. 4He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God's temple, proclaiming himself to be God. 5Don't you remember that when I was with you I used to tell you these things? 6And now you know what is holding him back, so that he may be revealed at the proper time. 7For the secret power of lawlessness is already at work; but the one who now holds it back will continue to do so till he is taken out of the way.

 

[onefour1]

Salvation is a choice. Free will is an eternal principle. We know that Lucifer and all those who followed after him chose to rebel against the Father and Jesus and were cast out of heaven. This all happened because they chose evil over good. You cannot be coerced into being a good being. It has to come from within. You have to be converted into loving and wanting goodness over wickedness. Only after one chooses in and of themselves to be a good being are they truly a good being. God fully understands this and allows freedom of choice as to what manner of person you will become.

Just because God knows what we all will choose does not mean that he carries the blame for our choices. To be worthy to live within the Kingdom of Heaven, one must be willing to choose to live by the law of the Kingdom of Heaven. A person who loves goodness and chooses to live by a higher law of love, forgiveness, charity, doing good to others and respecting the law of a higher kingdom will live in a kingdom that is made for his character. Those who choose otherwise will be placed in a kingdom where their character is willing to abide by the law of that kingdom. God is a being of fairness and righteousness. He cannot allow the wicked to rule the heavens. The judgement of God will place each of us in the kingdom which we of our own choosing list to obey. We should not expect to live in a kingdom we are not worthy to reside in. It is our choice to choose our own destiny. You cannot blame God for the choices you make.

 

[Ivan88]

The lead post for this thread assumes that there is a place where people have eternal life in torment.
If the Creator created such a place, it would make Him a liar, because He said, "the wages of sin is death." And Hell simply means death. The 2nd death is eternal extinguishment as if those so destroyed never existed.

 

[onefour1]

I believe that the separation from God is a spiritual death. Those who choose to be wicked cannot abide in the presence of God. Spiritual death comes in degrees. Some will be allowed to have the presence of the Holy Ghost, others will be allowed to enjoy the presence of Jesus and the Holy Ghost, while those of the Kingdom of Heaven will have continually the presence of the Holy Ghost, Jesus, and God our Eternal Father. The more light and glory, the greater the joy and happiness of the soul. Those who make it to the Kingdom of Heaven will enjoy the greatest amount of light and glory.

 

[surada]

Your supposed interpretation forgets the scriptural documentation that God condemned "mankind" once previously because of the free will choices they made when HE (God) saved only 1 family...............NOAH. You assume that man's is destined by God's choices......not their own. God wants the entire family of man to be saved......yet when one freely chooses to ignore God's advise and the teachings of Christ Jesus (who was granted rulership of both Heaven and Earth)....man often chooses wrong.

Why study the account of Noah when considering the fate of modern man under the covenant of Christ Jesus? Read 1 Peter 3:21 in a straight forward method.......no interpretation required. Peter was guided by the wisdom of the Holy Spirit when he recorded the message that compares the Modern Christian with the record of Noah and the judgment that condemned all mankind save one family and how like Noah the Christian must seek salvation in FAITH not actions alone as the covenant of Christ Jesus is based upon grace not the requirements to walk a perfect life such as was found in the Old Covenants. You must have faith that your actions come from the will of God. How do we find the will of God. WE READ THE RECORD LEFT BEHIND BY THE APOSTLES OF CHRIST (that were inspired by the Holy Spirit of God).

In order to find grace one must first accept the conditions thereof freely.

Clearly God has revealed that He wants all of mankind to be saved.....but free will makes that choice mankind's responsibility. Man must come to the knowledge of the truth first and foremost. (1 Tim. 2:3, 4) "For this is good and acceptable in the sight of God our Savior. Who would have all men to be saved, and come to the knowledge of the truth."

God had a plan for mankind to be saved before time itself began....but the choice is man's responsible to find that which is true. How do you find truth for the Christian? In the word of God.

The scriptures teach us that God's plan all along was dependent upon the birth, life, death (sacrifice) and resurrection of Christ Jesus. Peter tells us this plan existed before the foundation of the world (1 Peter 1:20). Paul states basically the same thing (2 Tim. 1:9). The scriptures also enlighten us to the documented fact that this plan was hidden from mankind until such time as God choose to reveal the plan.....to His prophets who themselves did not comprehend that which was being revealed during their lifetimes. (Eph. 3:5,6) (1 Peter 10-12).

We can read that the plan was revealed to all mankind by the prophets and Apostles at the correct time (during the life of Jesus Christ), it was revealed by the Holy Spirit of God Himself, at the proper time (Eph. 3:5, 1 Peter 1:12) THERE IS NO SUCH THING AS "PRIVATE INTERPRETATION".......its forbidden by God. The truth has been revealed by God through the Holy Spirit and requires no interpretation (2 Peter I: 20) To find the truth seek out and search the revealed word of God (the word that has been confirmed by signs and wonders.....not pretention of being in command of something they knew nothing about (such as the witch that wanted to purchase the power to give the power of the Holy Spirit to whom he would. It was the duty and mission of the early Church Apostles to reveal a truth that required no interpretation other than their own.

Its also revealed that when we read the WORD we can understand void of any supernatural power (Eph. 3:4). We are commanded to understand (Comprehend the truth). Its often a mystery that can be understood.....only by reading the Holy Scriptures themselves. God wants us to come to the knowledge of the truth (1 Tim. 2:3,4). If God wants it.......man has the ability to accomplish it.

You believe the flood story literally?

 

[Clyde 154]

You believe the flood story literally?

One can't be a Christian and deny the revelations of Jesus Christ and His appointed Apostles. Both literally believed the word of God and the record of Noah. (Genesis 8:9-19, 2 Peter 3:6)"All scripture is inspired of God.........that is correct for doctrine, teaching, rebuking and instruction so the man of God may be completely furnished unto GOOD WORKS." -- 2 Tim. 3:16-17

The real question is "Do you doubt the omnipotence, omniscience and omnipresence of GOD?" Science has proven there is not one inch of the earth's surface that has not been under water at some point in its history. What all the pseudo scientists claim as "Continental Drift" is recorded as actual history in the Holy scriptures (Ps. 104:6-9).........during the universal flood event....the mountains rose and the valleys sank. Rain fell from the sky for the first time (all plants and animals received moisture from a moisture bearer in the earth's atmosphere in the form of Fog the WHOLE world was watered with this mist as it rose up from the ground (Gen. 2:6-8).......there was no mention of the earth having the movement of wind before Genesis 8:1. Which indicates the earth was going through a world wide climate change. There was no mention of any rain event previous to the rain that started the KATAKILUSMOS (Greek for Cataclysm....a world cataclysm according to 2 Peter 3:6.

You either believe the content of the Word of God......or you do not. Your lack of faith does not effect the faith of others.........

 

[Clyde 154]

The lead post for this thread assumes that there is a place where people have eternal life in torment.
If the Creator created such a place, it would make Him a liar, because He said, "the wages of sin is death." And Hell simply means death. The 2nd death is eternal extinguishment as if those so destroyed never existed.

There is a vast difference between HELL and HADES (the grave). HELL is reserved for THE OLD DRAGON (Satan and his disciples) -- Matthew 25:41, Rev. 20:7-15) HADES is THE GRAVE (all spirits go to hades to await the final judgment as declared by Jesus Christ in Luke 16). Jesus clearly stated that He would defeat death (Hades).......and the gates of Hades would not prevail against His church/kingdom (Matthew 16)

Hell is reserved for Satan, the grave Hades is reserved for everyone that dies, good or evil.