An old topic revisited.

[Zhukov]

Third, and most important, I fear the removal of the Judeo-Christian foundation of our society. This is the real battle of our time, indeed the civil war of our time. The Left wants America to become secular like Western Europe, not remain the Judeo-Christian country it has always been. But unlike the Left, I do not admire France and Belgium and Sweden. And that is what the battle over the seal of America's most populous county is ultimately about. It is not about separation of church and state. It is about separation of a county from its history. And it is about separation of America from its moral foundations.

In 1834, 99 years before Adolf Hitler and the Nazis came to power, the great German poet Heinrich Heine, a secular Jew, predicted what would happen if Christianity ever weakened in Germany:

A drama will be enacted in Germany compared to which the French Revolution will seem like a harmless walk in the park. Christianity restrained the marshal ardor of the Germans for a time, but it did not destroy it; once the restraining guard is shattered, savagery will rise again . . . the mad fury of the berserk of which Nordic poets sing and speak.

That is what this American, this Jew, and millions of others believe is at stake in the Left's attempt to impose a redesign of the Los Angeles County seal and thereby redesign America.

http://www.townhall.com/columnists/dennisprager/dp20041116.shtml

 

[alien21010]

Rome, the Athenian States, Persia all existed sufficiently long and well without Christianity. What makes Christianity a staple of a stable society when there have been such throughout the course of human history?

 

[dilloduck]

Rome, the Athenian States, Persia all existed sufficiently long and well without Christianity. What makes Christianity a staple of a stable society when there have been such throughout the course of human history?

You prefer a tyranny???? cmon !

 

[Zhukov]

Rome, the Athenian States, Persia all existed sufficiently long and well without Christianity. What makes Christianity a staple of a stable society when there have been such throughout the course of human history?

That's not his point. His point is he fears what this country will become should it abandon it's moral traditions.

Incidentally, the Roman Empire became Christian and continued as the Byzantine Empire which endured longer than the preceeding pagan phase.

 

[Isaac Brock]

That's not his point. His point is he fears what this country will become should it abandon it's moral traditions.

Incidentally, the Roman Empire became Christian and continued as the Byzantine Empire which endured longer than the preceeding pagan phase.

What you say is undoubtably true. However, one must also take into account that the era of Christianity in the Roman Empire also was the period of the most autocratic rule and one which saw the empire lose most of its splendor. Whether it is related or not related is another question.

 

[Eightball]

Rome, the Athenian States, Persia all existed sufficiently long and well without Christianity. What makes Christianity a staple of a stable society when there have been such throughout the course of human history?

Are the above civilizations still thriving?

What makes a civilization enduring.......what gives it cohesiveness........huh? It seems that those civilizations that become materialistic, self-indulgent, and secular finally crumble.

The U.S. has an element that believes all answers to life come through man's intellect..........and therefore knowledge is venerated to the realm of a religion. Common sense is considered abhorant........

Knowledge without wisdom gains us nothing but heartache, and causes us to repeat history in horrible ways.

A man with an IQ of 90 who utilizes commons sense or wisdom is eons ahead of a man with an IQ of 150, who believes that his perpetual striving and sharing of knowledge is his salvation, and the world's.

Regards, Eightballsidepocket

 

[alien21010]

You prefer a tyranny???? cmon !

If I recall correctly, the Athenian states were a democratic society.

That's not his point. His point is he fears what this country will become should it abandon it's moral traditions.

Incidentally, the Roman Empire became Christian and continued as the Byzantine Empire which endured longer than the preceeding pagan phase.

I still fail to see the collaberation between the Christian ideology and the success of empires. Keep in mind that all of Rome was officially Christian by the time of the Western Empire's collapse. It certainly did not prevent it. Byzantium (Constantinople) only survived because it still had a capable military. The west became decadent and lazy, and paid dearly for it.

Are the above civilizations still thriving?

No, but if history shows us anything, the United States is at or near it's half life point.

What makes a civilization enduring.......what gives it cohesiveness........huh? It seems that those civilizations that become materialistic, self-indulgent, and secular finally crumble.

The U.S. has an element that believes all answers to life come through man's intellect..........and therefore knowledge is venerated to the realm of a religion. Common sense is considered abhorant........

Actually, as I pointed out, the Christian ideology did nothing to prevent the collapse of the western Roman Empire. Paganism had been rejected when Constantine came into power, and Christianity was made the official state religion.

There is absolutely no coorelation between Christianity and the longevity of society's be it two thousand years ago, and now.

What holds an "empire" together is the cultural fabric that society rests on. The Romans assimilated so many cultures so quickly, that they soon lost their own sense of who they were. As such, when the military could not stop the barbarian hordes, the Romans splintered into their separate factions, and we wound up in the middle ages.

 

[theim]

What holds an "empire" together is the cultural fabric that society rests on. The Romans assimilated so many cultures so quickly, that they soon lost their own sense of who they were. As such, when the military could not stop the barbarian hordes, the Romans splintered into their separate factions, and we wound up in the middle ages.

Bam. Right there. Aside from describing the USA as an Empire (well...we won't do that yet anyway....only 934 more days...[dum Dum DUMMM]).

Its not Christianity per se that would hold a nation together, but a uniform system of somewhat common morality.

 

[alien21010]

I would say that it's not a common set of morals, but a sense of shared experiences that provide the cultural backdrop for a society. Americans associate together not because of our heritage, we are far too diverse to do so, but from our mutual experiences. We are Americans because of 9/11, because of the Gulf War, because of Vietnam, because of World War II to name a few.

The Romans lacked this towards the end of the western empire.

 

[Zhukov]

I still fail to see the collaberation between the Christian ideology and the success of empires.

That's because you are not reading what I'm writing. It's not about a connection between Christianity and the longevity of some hypothetical empire. It is about this country and it's Judeo-Christian foundation.

Paganism had been rejected when Constantine came into power

No it hadn't. Constantine forced Christianity on a reluctant populace and the emperor immeadiately after Constantine, Julian the Apostate, was an anti-christian pagan.

I would say that it's not a common set of morals, but a sense of shared experiences that provide the cultural backdrop for a society. Americans associate together not because of our heritage, we are far too diverse to do so, but from our mutual experiences.

What binds a people together are the values they are indocrinated with from childhood to adulthood. The re-writing of history in question in the original article of this thread is one example of the widespread subversion of the nature of this nation's traditional means of indoctrinating it's citizens.

 

[deaddude]

Julian the Apostate was not only a pagan but a practitioner of Anthropomancy.

www.themystica.com/mystica/articles/a/anthropomancy.