An insight into the left-wing mindset

[ricechickie]

Iceweasel , don't run off. I did your fucking homework, now come back and thank me!

I thank you for proving my point. You're brainwashed.

"McCarthy and other experts cautioned that the discovery of epigenomic marks suggestive of homosexuality is a far cry from finding the causes of sexual preference."

Yes, the science isn't complete, but it leans toward genetic instead of learned behavior.

I'm sorry if complexity hurts your brain.

 

[Dragonlady]

I love when left-wing politicians and celebrities accidentally speak the truth. It illustrates what that ideology is all about when it happens (ie lies, lies, and more lies). Here is Hitlery Clinton stating she is "finally free to speak her mind".

Uh....Hitlery? You were not only always free to "speak your mind" - as a candidate you had a responsibility to the voters to speak your mind. But of course, she was never interested in showing the American people what she stood for and then allowing them to decide for themselves whether or not she was the right person for the job. She was only interested in winning at all costs. This just reaffirms her repulsive "I have one position for the public, and then I have my real position behind closed doors" approach to being a politician.

Hillary Clinton says she’s finally ‘free to speak her mind’ — conservatives have a field day with it

Trump is incapable of telling the truth even accidentally.

This thread isn't about Trump, snowflake.

Why are you so obsessed with Hillary Clinton? She isn't President, and she will never be President, and yet you can't stop insulting her, in the most misogynistic manner possible. Like the Benghazi dead horse, you keep flaying it.

Perhaps it'e because your President is such an utter disappointment to you all that you have to keep on flogging your hatred of Hillary.

What you should be concerned about it the utter disaster you elected because you couldn't stand the idea of not elected someone with an R beside HIS name.

 

[Iceweasel]

Speaking as a left-hander, I can tell you that I feel no oversensitive need to redefine it with "nice" words in order to spare my feelings. Left-handedness is natural, but it is not normal. It's an anomaly. And I'm okay with that.

I haven't "tried to run away from a damned thing", you twit. Try to comprehend English, for God's sake. "Unnatural" and "abnormal" contain negative connotations as part of their denotations. "Natural" and "normal" depend much more for connotation on how badly someone wants to get their super-sensitive snowflake feelings hurt. In this regard, I took both posters very carefully into account, and specifically noted that Ice used "natural" in its most basic, emotion-free context.

Are you old enough that people tried to change your handedness? It used to be a real thing.

The point isn't that you're overly sensitive about it, or need different words to describe it, the point is that people feel the need to change a person's nature to suit "norms." Like they used to change left-handers.

You'd have to be pretty old for the left handed changing think. My older brother was left handed and would be 65 by now and there was no attempt to change him. Now I inherited his baseball mitt so to this day I still throw as a lefty but I'm right handed. Didn't turn me queer though, which is the point. You are mixed up due to the anti-establishment conformity.

Yeah, changing hands fell out of vogue quite a while back, but my grandma still asked my mom if she shouldn't move my spoon to the other hand when I was learning to eat.

I am not mixed up. The "conditions" are synonymous, but one is accepted now, and the other, you're afraid of.

I'm afraid of what? Not getting brainwashed like you? Did granny try to turn you into a boy? Somehow I think she wouldn't agree with you.

You're afraid of being even thought of gay or feminine. But not of being left-handed.

My grandma was a product of her time. She just knew that's how she grew up. Of course she wouldn't agree with me on this subject. And my great great grandmother wouldn't agree with me going to college. And my great grandmother wouldn't agree with me marrying a black man.

But we learn, we change. Thank goodness.

In other words you will point to past shortcomings to justify whatever you want. That's not rational.

 

[Iceweasel]

Iceweasel , don't run off. I did your fucking homework, now come back and thank me!

I thank you for proving my point. You're brainwashed.

"McCarthy and other experts cautioned that the discovery of epigenomic marks suggestive of homosexuality is a far cry from finding the causes of sexual preference."

Yes, the science isn't complete, but it leans toward genetic instead of learned behavior.

I'm sorry if complexity hurts your brain.

So your victory dance was premature and science does not support it. So I was right, you're full of shit.

 

[ricechickie]

Are you old enough that people tried to change your handedness? It used to be a real thing.

The point isn't that you're overly sensitive about it, or need different words to describe it, the point is that people feel the need to change a person's nature to suit "norms." Like they used to change left-handers.

You'd have to be pretty old for the left handed changing think. My older brother was left handed and would be 65 by now and there was no attempt to change him. Now I inherited his baseball mitt so to this day I still throw as a lefty but I'm right handed. Didn't turn me queer though, which is the point. You are mixed up due to the anti-establishment conformity.

Yeah, changing hands fell out of vogue quite a while back, but my grandma still asked my mom if she shouldn't move my spoon to the other hand when I was learning to eat.

I am not mixed up. The "conditions" are synonymous, but one is accepted now, and the other, you're afraid of.

I'm afraid of what? Not getting brainwashed like you? Did granny try to turn you into a boy? Somehow I think she wouldn't agree with you.

You're afraid of being even thought of gay or feminine. But not of being left-handed.

My grandma was a product of her time. She just knew that's how she grew up. Of course she wouldn't agree with me on this subject. And my great great grandmother wouldn't agree with me going to college. And my great grandmother wouldn't agree with me marrying a black man.

But we learn, we change. Thank goodness.

In other words you will point to past shortcomings to justify whatever you want. That's not rational.

No, I point to past shortcomings to cut people some slack for what they used to believe. I point to reality today to "justify" behavior that is no one else's business to curb.

 

[ricechickie]

Iceweasel , don't run off. I did your fucking homework, now come back and thank me!

I thank you for proving my point. You're brainwashed.

"McCarthy and other experts cautioned that the discovery of epigenomic marks suggestive of homosexuality is a far cry from finding the causes of sexual preference."

Yes, the science isn't complete, but it leans toward genetic instead of learned behavior.

I'm sorry if complexity hurts your brain.

So your victory dance was premature and science does not support it. So I was right, you're full of shit.

Go find some supporting evidence of your point, little man. Or admit that scientific evidence points to my conclusions.

Shoo! Git! Away with you!

 

[Iceweasel]

You'd have to be pretty old for the left handed changing think. My older brother was left handed and would be 65 by now and there was no attempt to change him. Now I inherited his baseball mitt so to this day I still throw as a lefty but I'm right handed. Didn't turn me queer though, which is the point. You are mixed up due to the anti-establishment conformity.

Yeah, changing hands fell out of vogue quite a while back, but my grandma still asked my mom if she shouldn't move my spoon to the other hand when I was learning to eat.

I am not mixed up. The "conditions" are synonymous, but one is accepted now, and the other, you're afraid of.

I'm afraid of what? Not getting brainwashed like you? Did granny try to turn you into a boy? Somehow I think she wouldn't agree with you.

You're afraid of being even thought of gay or feminine. But not of being left-handed.

My grandma was a product of her time. She just knew that's how she grew up. Of course she wouldn't agree with me on this subject. And my great great grandmother wouldn't agree with me going to college. And my great grandmother wouldn't agree with me marrying a black man.

But we learn, we change. Thank goodness.

In other words you will point to past shortcomings to justify whatever you want. That's not rational.

No, I point to past shortcomings to cut people some slack for what they used to believe. I point to reality today to "justify" behavior that is no one else's business to curb.

And yet science doesn't back you up. Therefore your reality is what you've been programed to believe. Someday people will be cutting you some slack too.

 

[Iceweasel]

Iceweasel , don't run off. I did your fucking homework, now come back and thank me!

I thank you for proving my point. You're brainwashed.

"McCarthy and other experts cautioned that the discovery of epigenomic marks suggestive of homosexuality is a far cry from finding the causes of sexual preference."

Yes, the science isn't complete, but it leans toward genetic instead of learned behavior.

I'm sorry if complexity hurts your brain.

So your victory dance was premature and science does not support it. So I was right, you're full of shit.

Go find some supporting evidence of your point, little man. Or admit that scientific evidence points to my conclusions.

Shoo! Git! Away with you!

It's your failure, not mine. I don't need to prove polar bears can't turn into wolves.

 

[ricechickie]

Yeah, changing hands fell out of vogue quite a while back, but my grandma still asked my mom if she shouldn't move my spoon to the other hand when I was learning to eat.

I am not mixed up. The "conditions" are synonymous, but one is accepted now, and the other, you're afraid of.

I'm afraid of what? Not getting brainwashed like you? Did granny try to turn you into a boy? Somehow I think she wouldn't agree with you.

You're afraid of being even thought of gay or feminine. But not of being left-handed.

My grandma was a product of her time. She just knew that's how she grew up. Of course she wouldn't agree with me on this subject. And my great great grandmother wouldn't agree with me going to college. And my great grandmother wouldn't agree with me marrying a black man.

But we learn, we change. Thank goodness.

In other words you will point to past shortcomings to justify whatever you want. That's not rational.

No, I point to past shortcomings to cut people some slack for what they used to believe. I point to reality today to "justify" behavior that is no one else's business to curb.

And yet science doesn't back you up. Therefore your reality is what you've been programed to believe. Someday people will be cutting you some slack too.

Go! Come back with evidence. Your words mean nothing.

 

[Iceweasel]

I'm afraid of what? Not getting brainwashed like you? Did granny try to turn you into a boy? Somehow I think she wouldn't agree with you.

You're afraid of being even thought of gay or feminine. But not of being left-handed.

My grandma was a product of her time. She just knew that's how she grew up. Of course she wouldn't agree with me on this subject. And my great great grandmother wouldn't agree with me going to college. And my great grandmother wouldn't agree with me marrying a black man.

But we learn, we change. Thank goodness.

In other words you will point to past shortcomings to justify whatever you want. That's not rational.

No, I point to past shortcomings to cut people some slack for what they used to believe. I point to reality today to "justify" behavior that is no one else's business to curb.

And yet science doesn't back you up. Therefore your reality is what you've been programed to believe. Someday people will be cutting you some slack too.

Go! Come back with evidence. Your words mean nothing.

You mean nothing. all you have is word games, contrary thought, accusations and insults. Your own source exercised caution and you did a victory dance instead.

My point was you're full of shit and you provided the evidence in ample supply.

 

[ptbw forever]

I love when left-wing politicians and celebrities accidentally speak the truth. It illustrates what that ideology is all about when it happens (ie lies, lies, and more lies). Here is Hitlery Clinton stating she is "finally free to speak her mind".

Uh....Hitlery? You were not only always free to "speak your mind" - as a candidate you had a responsibility to the voters to speak your mind. But of course, she was never interested in showing the American people what she stood for and then allowing them to decide for themselves whether or not she was the right person for the job. She was only interested in winning at all costs. This just reaffirms her repulsive "I have one position for the public, and then I have my real position behind closed doors" approach to being a politician.

Hillary Clinton says she’s finally ‘free to speak her mind’ — conservatives have a field day with it

Sanders did say that Hillary was lying the entire primary....

 

[Cecilie1200]

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

"First and foremost, is gender identity genetic? It seems the answer is yes – though, as with most traits involving identity, there is some environmental influence. One classic way for scientists to test whether a trait (which can be any characteristic from red hair to cancer susceptibility to love of horror movies) is influenced by genetics is twin studies. "

Newflash, Punkin. The answer isn't "yes" if you're qualifying it with "seems". If it's genetic, then there's a specific identifiable gene creating it. Find that gene, and THEN we'll discuss it as genetic fact.

Of course, then that leads us to the fact that things like schizophrenia, alcoholism, and many birth defects are genetic in nature, and therefore "genetic" does not equal "desirable and good".

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's your prerogative but you are pretending there are no norms or natural order. Humans have known/accepted it since day one for all these thousands of years but suddenly the left would have us believe things like gender is a state of mind rather than biology.

Things that are unusual can still be "normal." Unless you consider left-handedness "abnormal."

Cecilie, as much as she tried to run away from it, had an excellent point. But it's not just "unnatural" and "abnormal" that are the loaded words. They are loaded because their root words have come to have values judgments attached to them, too.

Speaking as a left-hander, I can tell you that I feel no oversensitive need to redefine it with "nice" words in order to spare my feelings. Left-handedness is natural, but it is not normal. It's an anomaly. And I'm okay with that.

I haven't "tried to run away from a damned thing", you twit. Try to comprehend English, for God's sake. "Unnatural" and "abnormal" contain negative connotations as part of their denotations. "Natural" and "normal" depend much more for connotation on how badly someone wants to get their super-sensitive snowflake feelings hurt. In this regard, I took both posters very carefully into account, and specifically noted that Ice used "natural" in its most basic, emotion-free context.

Are you old enough that people tried to change your handedness? It used to be a real thing.

The point isn't that you're overly sensitive about it, or need different words to describe it, the point is that people feel the need to change a person's nature to suit "norms." Like they used to change left-handers.

You'd have to be pretty old for the left handed changing think. My older brother was left handed and would be 65 by now and there was no attempt to change him. Now I inherited his baseball mitt so to this day I still throw as a lefty but I'm right handed. Didn't turn me queer though, which is the point. You are mixed up due to the anti-establishment conformity.

Yeah, changing hands fell out of vogue quite a while back, but my grandma still asked my mom if she shouldn't move my spoon to the other hand when I was learning to eat.

I am not mixed up. The "conditions" are synonymous, but one is accepted now, and the other, you're afraid of.

Look up "synonymous", Noah Webster, because I'm pretty sure you meant "analogous".

 

[ricechickie]

Things that are unusual can still be "normal." Unless you consider left-handedness "abnormal."

Cecilie, as much as she tried to run away from it, had an excellent point. But it's not just "unnatural" and "abnormal" that are the loaded words. They are loaded because their root words have come to have values judgments attached to them, too.

Speaking as a left-hander, I can tell you that I feel no oversensitive need to redefine it with "nice" words in order to spare my feelings. Left-handedness is natural, but it is not normal. It's an anomaly. And I'm okay with that.

I haven't "tried to run away from a damned thing", you twit. Try to comprehend English, for God's sake. "Unnatural" and "abnormal" contain negative connotations as part of their denotations. "Natural" and "normal" depend much more for connotation on how badly someone wants to get their super-sensitive snowflake feelings hurt. In this regard, I took both posters very carefully into account, and specifically noted that Ice used "natural" in its most basic, emotion-free context.

Are you old enough that people tried to change your handedness? It used to be a real thing.

The point isn't that you're overly sensitive about it, or need different words to describe it, the point is that people feel the need to change a person's nature to suit "norms." Like they used to change left-handers.

You'd have to be pretty old for the left handed changing think. My older brother was left handed and would be 65 by now and there was no attempt to change him. Now I inherited his baseball mitt so to this day I still throw as a lefty but I'm right handed. Didn't turn me queer though, which is the point. You are mixed up due to the anti-establishment conformity.

Yeah, changing hands fell out of vogue quite a while back, but my grandma still asked my mom if she shouldn't move my spoon to the other hand when I was learning to eat.

I am not mixed up. The "conditions" are synonymous, but one is accepted now, and the other, you're afraid of.

Look up "synonymous", Noah Webster, because I'm pretty sure you meant "analogous".

You're right. Even when I typed it, it didn't seem right. But I forgot to go back and rethink.

 

[ricechickie]

Between the (Gender) Lines: the Science of Transgender Identity - Science in the News

"First and foremost, is gender identity genetic? It seems the answer is yes – though, as with most traits involving identity, there is some environmental influence. One classic way for scientists to test whether a trait (which can be any characteristic from red hair to cancer susceptibility to love of horror movies) is influenced by genetics is twin studies. "

Newflash, Punkin. The answer isn't "yes" if you're qualifying it with "seems". If it's genetic, then there's a specific identifiable gene creating it. Find that gene, and THEN we'll discuss it as genetic fact.

Of course, then that leads us to the fact that things like schizophrenia, alcoholism, and many birth defects are genetic in nature, and therefore "genetic" does not equal "desirable and good".

I provided more evidence pointing to genetics than Iceweasel provided pointing to "brainwashing." The science isn't complete.

You're right, genetic doesn't always mean desirable. But it does mean "natural."

Keep your eyes on the goalposts.

 

[Cecilie1200]

That's your prerogative but you are pretending there are no norms or natural order. Humans have known/accepted it since day one for all these thousands of years but suddenly the left would have us believe things like gender is a state of mind rather than biology.

Things that are unusual can still be "normal." Unless you consider left-handedness "abnormal."

Cecilie, as much as she tried to run away from it, had an excellent point. But it's not just "unnatural" and "abnormal" that are the loaded words. They are loaded because their root words have come to have values judgments attached to them, too.

More semantics. You seem to need to put words in people's mouths so you can argue. We went from gender to left handedness. Those are the same to you?

First - YOU used the word natural. I am building from your arguments.

Second - gender identity and handedness are absolutely comparable.

Being a lefty is unusual, and was therefore once considered unnatural (with all value judgment it implies). It was even deemed evil. Teachers and parents would change the child's handedness to the right. The child would eventually adjust, but the very act of writing with the right hand wasn't natural to them. And so the child's inborn inclination was squashed and directed to something acceptable to society.

Identifying with a different gender is considered unnatural, some even think evil. Teachers and parents have tried to change how a child acts to go along with their biological gender's accepted behavior. The child eventually adjusts, but the very act of pretending to be a gender they don't feel isn't natural to them. And so the child's inborn inclination was squashed and directed to something acceptable to society.

I said why I said natural. How many times before your brain can receive what it disagrees with? No, gender is not anything like handedness. You're full of shit. If you have to point to what someone else thinks is evil to make your point look better that says a lot about your point.

Children aren't born gay or mis-gendered. That's what your hypnotist conditioned you to think. Natural feelings can very definitely be over ridden by a human created environment.

Where's the science to support that children aren't born with their sexual orientation or gender identity?

You don't prove a negative, you halfwit. It's not our job to prove they AREN'T, it's YOUR job to prove they ARE, particularly since YOU are the one making a brand-new assertion and demanding that millennia of societal norms be reconfigured to suit it.

The only science on the subject of a child's sex/gender at the moment would be their chromosomes, and you utterly dismiss THAT out-of-hand simply because you don't like the outcome, so it makes it difficult to take seriously any demand for "science" on your part.

 

[ricechickie]

Things that are unusual can still be "normal." Unless you consider left-handedness "abnormal."

Cecilie, as much as she tried to run away from it, had an excellent point. But it's not just "unnatural" and "abnormal" that are the loaded words. They are loaded because their root words have come to have values judgments attached to them, too.

More semantics. You seem to need to put words in people's mouths so you can argue. We went from gender to left handedness. Those are the same to you?

First - YOU used the word natural. I am building from your arguments.

Second - gender identity and handedness are absolutely comparable.

Being a lefty is unusual, and was therefore once considered unnatural (with all value judgment it implies). It was even deemed evil. Teachers and parents would change the child's handedness to the right. The child would eventually adjust, but the very act of writing with the right hand wasn't natural to them. And so the child's inborn inclination was squashed and directed to something acceptable to society.

Identifying with a different gender is considered unnatural, some even think evil. Teachers and parents have tried to change how a child acts to go along with their biological gender's accepted behavior. The child eventually adjusts, but the very act of pretending to be a gender they don't feel isn't natural to them. And so the child's inborn inclination was squashed and directed to something acceptable to society.

I said why I said natural. How many times before your brain can receive what it disagrees with? No, gender is not anything like handedness. You're full of shit. If you have to point to what someone else thinks is evil to make your point look better that says a lot about your point.

Children aren't born gay or mis-gendered. That's what your hypnotist conditioned you to think. Natural feelings can very definitely be over ridden by a human created environment.

Where's the science to support that children aren't born with their sexual orientation or gender identity?

You don't prove a negative, you halfwit. It's not our job to prove they AREN'T, it's YOUR job to prove they ARE, particularly since YOU are the one making a brand-new assertion and demanding that millennia of societal norms be reconfigured to suit it.

The only science on the subject of a child's sex/gender at the moment would be their chromosomes, and you utterly dismiss THAT out-of-hand simply because you don't like the outcome, so it makes it difficult to take seriously any demand for "science" on your part.

So don't find evidence for the negative. Find evidence to support that brainwashing causes transgenderism and homosexuality.

Then look up Alexander the Great, Leonardo DaVinci, Michaelangelo, Ralph Waldo Emerson, Oscar Wilde, Walt Whitman, Tchaikovsky..........to start.

 

[Cecilie1200]

Like I said, I'm not playing. I am past the point where I apologize for my being, and I do not consider "normality" when I choose my behavior.

That's your prerogative but you are pretending there are no norms or natural order. Humans have known/accepted it since day one for all these thousands of years but suddenly the left would have us believe things like gender is a state of mind rather than biology.

Things that are unusual can still be "normal." Unless you consider left-handedness "abnormal."

Cecilie, as much as she tried to run away from it, had an excellent point. But it's not just "unnatural" and "abnormal" that are the loaded words. They are loaded because their root words have come to have values judgments attached to them, too.

Speaking as a left-hander, I can tell you that I feel no oversensitive need to redefine it with "nice" words in order to spare my feelings. Left-handedness is natural, but it is not normal. It's an anomaly. And I'm okay with that.

I haven't "tried to run away from a damned thing", you twit. Try to comprehend English, for God's sake. "Unnatural" and "abnormal" contain negative connotations as part of their denotations. "Natural" and "normal" depend much more for connotation on how badly someone wants to get their super-sensitive snowflake feelings hurt. In this regard, I took both posters very carefully into account, and specifically noted that Ice used "natural" in its most basic, emotion-free context.

Are you old enough that people tried to change your handedness? It used to be a real thing.

The point isn't that you're overly sensitive about it, or need different words to describe it, the point is that people feel the need to change a person's nature to suit "norms." Like they used to change left-handers.

No, I'm old enough that my grandmother made an occasional remark about it, but my mother summarily ignored the old biddy, as she did on everything. Can't really see the point, though, since it is a logical fallacy to say that anything anyone has ever tried to change is automatically the exact same as gender dysphoria, and thus conveys the same level of "okay-ness" by association.

Some things NEED to be changed, and some things don't. Left-handedness doesn't require a change, since it brings nothing more than minor inconveniences, most of which have been eliminated within my own lifetime by the advance of technology. Believing that you are one sex when biologically you are the other is just a smidgen different, and I don't think the advent of cordless phones had much of an impact.

 

[Markle]

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As you know, PolitiFact is owned and staffed by the far left Tampa Bay Times. Same facilities, same staff down to the janitor.

Not new for PolitiFact is this:

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[ricechickie]

Like I said, I'm not playing. I am past the point where I apologize for my being, and I do not consider "normality" when I choose my behavior.

That's your prerogative but you are pretending there are no norms or natural order. Humans have known/accepted it since day one for all these thousands of years but suddenly the left would have us believe things like gender is a state of mind rather than biology.

Things that are unusual can still be "normal." Unless you consider left-handedness "abnormal."

Cecilie, as much as she tried to run away from it, had an excellent point. But it's not just "unnatural" and "abnormal" that are the loaded words. They are loaded because their root words have come to have values judgments attached to them, too.

Speaking as a left-hander, I can tell you that I feel no oversensitive need to redefine it with "nice" words in order to spare my feelings. Left-handedness is natural, but it is not normal. It's an anomaly. And I'm okay with that.

I haven't "tried to run away from a damned thing", you twit. Try to comprehend English, for God's sake. "Unnatural" and "abnormal" contain negative connotations as part of their denotations. "Natural" and "normal" depend much more for connotation on how badly someone wants to get their super-sensitive snowflake feelings hurt. In this regard, I took both posters very carefully into account, and specifically noted that Ice used "natural" in its most basic, emotion-free context.

Are you old enough that people tried to change your handedness? It used to be a real thing.

The point isn't that you're overly sensitive about it, or need different words to describe it, the point is that people feel the need to change a person's nature to suit "norms." Like they used to change left-handers.

No, I'm old enough that my grandmother made an occasional remark about it, but my mother summarily ignored the old biddy, as she did on everything. Can't really see the point, though, since it is a logical fallacy to say that anything anyone has ever tried to change is automatically the exact same as gender dysphoria, and thus conveys the same level of "okay-ness" by association.

Some things NEED to be changed, and some things don't. Left-handedness doesn't require a change, since it brings nothing more than minor inconveniences, most of which have been eliminated within my own lifetime by the advance of technology. Believing that you are one sex when biologically you are the other is just a smidgen different, and I don't think the advent of cordless phones had much of an impact.

Why should a boy wanting to be a girl be changed?