An idea that's time has come. And not the only one.

[Billiejeens]

Yes, I understand you don't take that serious.

Lie to you? Re-elect them.

I don't understand 1 issue voters, which is your solution.

 

[Billiejeens]

Not every prez comes in to office with an agenda to tear the country apart. Only Dotard has done that.

Obama was exponentially worse
Also, whoever was "advising" Biden.

Real world.

 

[struth]

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform​

-Pardon reform. There can be little doubt of two things. First, as currently constructed, the president’s pardon power is nearly absolute. Second, President Trump’s use of the pardon power has transgressed the Founders’ expectations. Indeed, the idea that a president might pardon his own criminal confederates (as is arguably the case with Roger Stone) is exactly why George Mason opposed the pardon power altogether. At some point, Congress might give serious consideration to a constitutional amendment that, for example, makes pardons illegal for individuals personally known to the president and makes the misuse of the power judicially reviewable.

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform

What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

www.lawfaremedia.org

This article was written near the end of trump 1.0. Nothing has come of it. A fact that's proven to be a colossal mistake. Perhaps excused by the belief trump's political career was over after he launched a failed plot to overturn the 2020 election.

Clearly, as evidenced by events that have taken place during trump 2.0, the prez's absolute pardon power either needs dramatic reform or a constitutional amendment to end it. It isn't the only thing badly in need of reform. The most important among them, IMO, being........

-Reform of the Federal Vacancies Reform Act to prevent perpetual “acting” appointments.
Redefining “emergency” authority to limit such declarations generally.
-Enhanced inspectors general protection.
-Overturn Franklin v. Massachusetts.
-Define emoluments violations and create a right of action.
-Expediting judicial review of congressional demands for records in relation to oversight and impeachment.

How has Trump's pardons transgressed the Founder's expectations? Was he giving out blanket pardons to cover all crimes for over a decade to people? Pardon his family? cabinet and party members on the Hill?

 

[pknopp]

I don't understand 1 issue voters, which is your solution.

Lying is a pretty big issue and encapsulates nearly every issue.

 

[berg80]

Again equal is a lousy argument. Wrong is wrong.

Again, we disagree. "Wrong is wrong" is a simplistic approach, failing to appreciate the vast differences between pardons like Clinton pardoning Marc Rich and trump pardoning Roger Stone. The latter being a potentially damaging witness against trump during the Russia investigation.

 

[pknopp]

Again, we disagree. "Wrong is wrong" is a simplistic approach, failing to appreciate the vast differences between pardons like Clinton pardoning Marc Rich and trump pardoning Roger Stone. The latter being a potentially damaging witness against trump during the Russia investigation.

Sure and Biden had no ulterior motives in pardoning Hunter who did break the law.

 

[AntonToo]

Politicians aren't about to give up the power. The only solution is to take it from them but we won't.

Congress would GAIN power under these proposals.

Democrat POTUS candidate would certainly support it as well, but even without that support, Congress can over-ride the veto.

 

[dblack]

We need these reforms

Agreed. But that doesn't change the hypocrisy.

 

[berg80]

Sure and Biden had no ulterior motives in pardoning Hunter who did break the law.

He made his motive clear. To prevent the kind of vindictive prosecution we are seeing against Comey and James. Especially after Hunter had been convicted on charges rarely brought against anyone. Charges brought against him because he was the son of the sitting prez.

 

[berg80]

Congress would GAIN power under these proposals.

Democrat POTUS candidate would certainly support it as well, but even without that support, Congress can over-ride the veto.

Therein lies the problem. Would enough R's vote for the override?

 

[struth]

He made his motive clear. To prevent the kind of vindictive prosecution we are seeing against Comey and James. Especially after Hunter had been convicted on charges rarely brought against anyone. Charges brought against him because he was the son of the sitting prez.

His motives were to pardon his criminal co-conspirators

No President has ever had to do that before.

 

[Dekster]

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform​

-Pardon reform. There can be little doubt of two things. First, as currently constructed, the president’s pardon power is nearly absolute. Second, President Trump’s use of the pardon power has transgressed the Founders’ expectations. Indeed, the idea that a president might pardon his own criminal confederates (as is arguably the case with Roger Stone) is exactly why George Mason opposed the pardon power altogether. At some point, Congress might give serious consideration to a constitutional amendment that, for example, makes pardons illegal for individuals personally known to the president and makes the misuse of the power judicially reviewable.

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform

What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

www.lawfaremedia.org

This article was written near the end of trump 1.0. Nothing has come of it. A fact that's proven to be a colossal mistake. Perhaps excused by the belief trump's political career was over after he launched a failed plot to overturn the 2020 election.

Clearly, as evidenced by events that have taken place during trump 2.0, the prez's absolute pardon power either needs dramatic reform or a constitutional amendment to end it. It isn't the only thing badly in need of reform. The most important among them, IMO, being........

-Reform of the Federal Vacancies Reform Act to prevent perpetual “acting” appointments.
Redefining “emergency” authority to limit such declarations generally.
-Enhanced inspectors general protection.
-Overturn Franklin v. Massachusetts.
-Define emoluments violations and create a right of action.
-Expediting judicial review of congressional demands for records in relation to oversight and impeachment.

The SCOTUS might very well give the POTUS infinite power over most of the day to day government. If they do, Congress won't be able to claw it back

 

[Nostra]

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform​

-Pardon reform. There can be little doubt of two things. First, as currently constructed, the president’s pardon power is nearly absolute. Second, President Trump’s use of the pardon power has transgressed the Founders’ expectations. Indeed, the idea that a president might pardon his own criminal confederates (as is arguably the case with Roger Stone) is exactly why George Mason opposed the pardon power altogether. At some point, Congress might give serious consideration to a constitutional amendment that, for example, makes pardons illegal for individuals personally known to the president and makes the misuse of the power judicially reviewable.

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform

What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

www.lawfaremedia.org

This article was written near the end of trump 1.0. Nothing has come of it. A fact that's proven to be a colossal mistake. Perhaps excused by the belief trump's political career was over after he launched a failed plot to overturn the 2020 election.

Clearly, as evidenced by events that have taken place during trump 2.0, the prez's absolute pardon power either needs dramatic reform or a constitutional amendment to end it. It isn't the only thing badly in need of reform. The most important among them, IMO, being........

-Reform of the Federal Vacancies Reform Act to prevent perpetual “acting” appointments.
Redefining “emergency” authority to limit such declarations generally.
-Enhanced inspectors general protection.
-Overturn Franklin v. Massachusetts.
-Define emoluments violations and create a right of action.
-Expediting judicial review of congressional demands for records in relation to oversight and impeachment.

What does this fella think about Veggie Joe pardoning his entire Crime Family Syndicate, many if his underlings, and the members of the J6 Hollywood Production?

 

[pknopp]

Congress would GAIN power under these proposals.

Democrat POTUS candidate would certainly support it as well, but even without that support, Congress can over-ride the veto.

If anyone was going to support it they could have already.

 

[pknopp]

He made his motive clear. To prevent the kind of vindictive prosecution we are seeing against Comey and James. Especially after Hunter had been convicted on charges rarely brought against anyone. Charges brought against him because he was the son of the sitting prez.

Hunter was guilty.

 

[Nostra]

Because the times they lived in didn't allow for the contemplation of an elected official so egregiously malevolent as trump, or an electorate so thoroughly duped as to elect him in the first place.

Your Cult elected a vegetable.

 

[Nostra]

As long as we are closing “loopholes:, let’s close the GENERAL WELFARE loophole and restore it;s original meaning.

90% of the Dimwinger spending would go away. No more NDA money laundering schemes.

 

[Billiejeens]

Lying is a pretty big issue and encapsulates nearly every issue.

I understood the issue to be - Pardon Reform.

Did you move on from that?

 

[hadit]

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform​

-Pardon reform. There can be little doubt of two things. First, as currently constructed, the president’s pardon power is nearly absolute. Second, President Trump’s use of the pardon power has transgressed the Founders’ expectations. Indeed, the idea that a president might pardon his own criminal confederates (as is arguably the case with Roger Stone) is exactly why George Mason opposed the pardon power altogether. At some point, Congress might give serious consideration to a constitutional amendment that, for example, makes pardons illegal for individuals personally known to the president and makes the misuse of the power judicially reviewable.

Repairing the Rule of Law: An Agenda for Post-Trump Reform

What should be done in a post-Trump world to restore the rule of law?

www.lawfaremedia.org

This article was written near the end of trump 1.0. Nothing has come of it. A fact that's proven to be a colossal mistake. Perhaps excused by the belief trump's political career was over after he launched a failed plot to overturn the 2020 election.

Clearly, as evidenced by events that have taken place during trump 2.0, the prez's absolute pardon power either needs dramatic reform or a constitutional amendment to end it. It isn't the only thing badly in need of reform. The most important among them, IMO, being........

-Reform of the Federal Vacancies Reform Act to prevent perpetual “acting” appointments.
Redefining “emergency” authority to limit such declarations generally.
-Enhanced inspectors general protection.
-Overturn Franklin v. Massachusetts.
-Define emoluments violations and create a right of action.
-Expediting judicial review of congressional demands for records in relation to oversight and impeachment.

You noticed presidents abuse this power just now? At least TRUMP! didn't issue a pre-emptive blanket pardon shielding someone from prosecution. Quite frankly, after the last administration, he should have issued some to cover his entire cabinet.

 

[dblack]

This is all great, but like all reform that limits the power of government, or the President, neither party will do it while their MF is in office.