An excellent explanation of left and right, and how the left must lie about it.

[notmyfault2020]

Moron.......that old lie.....

If the Crips drug gang is murdering the Bloods gang members, does that mean that the Crips are not a drug gang....you freaking doofus.


The Nationals Socialists hated the Internationals socialists because they were both trying to gain power....you idiot.

I agree but you would be more credible if you dropped the name-calling.

I am not being hateful or merely critical, just stating facts.. The fact is that people do not listen when you call them names. The Rs cannot afford to turn off any voters. That is another fact, supported by the trends we see in the news: CLOSE races that should not be at all close (when one candidate is advocating really bizarre stuff like letting 1/3 of the prison population out of prison, etc)

 

[notmyfault2020]

And that is why the democrats are evil....they simply embrace the lie to gain power.

right on target

Rs can twist truth at times or leave out unpleasant truths in their campaigning or whatever, but that is not the same as lying like the Left do who say:

Climate change is our biggest threat! (huge lie there)
There is no border crisis (whopper there!)
A baby is not a human person deserving of state protection and should be murdered if the mother says so.. (heinous, Nazi-esque whopper there!)

etc

etc

etc

 

[Winco]

And that is why the democrats are evil....they simply embrace the lie to gain power.

The "Big (R) Lie" led to the attempted coup to.....you guessed it.......
Stay In POWER.

 

[2aguy]

So you lie and the Democrats are evil. Who are you trying to convince, yourself?

No lies in that post…..and the democrat party is evil…..from the day it was created by two slave owners..

 

[alang1216]

When the fact is mentioned that the Nazis and Commies agree on every point of theory and practice, and disagree only on minutia

No lies in that post…..and the democrat party is evil…..from the day it was created by two slave owners..

Really? Nazis and Commies agree on every point of theory? The guiding principle of communism is abolition of private property. Did the Nazis abolish private properties or did they work hand in hand with companies like Messerschmitt? Don't lie now...

And just to give you some context, this country was created by slave owners like Washington and Jefferson. Is this country evil?

 

[Richard-H]

And the actual party platform....what they actually did....

The first ten points establish a racial collective state, where members of different races are ruled under different laws. Affirmative Action, in other words. That is so remarkably and obviously leftwing as to need no further comment from me. See Black Lives Matter for details.

11. The abolition of incomes unearned by work.

This refers to interest from investments without which industrial activity cannot be privately funded. This is an implicit call to nationalize all investment. Socialist.

12. We demand therefore the ruthless confiscation of all war profits.

This is an explicit call to nationalize all military supply industries. Socialist.

13. We demand the nationalization of all businesses which have been formed into corporations (trusts).

This is an explicit call to nationalize all corporate industries. Socialist.

14. We demand profit-sharing in large industrial enterprises.

This is an explicit call for state control of terms of compensation. Socialist.

15. We demand the extensive development of insurance for old age.

This is an explicit call for socialized pensions. Socialist.

16. We demand … immediate communalizing of big department stores, and their lease at a cheap rate to small traders…

This is an explicit call for socialized retail. Socialist.

17. We demand a land reform suitable to our national requirements, the passing of a law for the expropriation of land for communal purposes without compensation; the abolition of ground rent, and the prohibition of all speculation in land.

This is an explicit call for communal farms, state control of rents, nationalization of investment in land. Socialist.

18. We demand the ruthless prosecution of those whose activities are injurious to the common interest. Common criminals, usurers, profiteers, etc., must be punished with death, whatever their creed or race.

Note the listing of common criminals with usurers and profiteers. This is the implicit criminalization of the free market. Socialist.

19. We demand that Roman Law, which serves a materialistic world order, be replaced by a German common law.

This is an explicit call for the elimination of the traditional judge-made sources of law, akin to Anglo-American Common Law, in favor of reformers and radicals.

The elimination of Common Law is the heart and soul of radicalism. Socialist.

20. The State must consider a thorough reconstruction of our national system of education

This is an explicit call for a nationalized public school system, to eliminate private and religious schooling. Socialist.

21. The State must ensure that the nation’s health standards are raised by … by prohibiting child labor, by promoting physical strength through legislation providing for compulsory gymnastics and sports….

Laws against child labor are core leftwing crusading goals, since before the time of Dickens. Compulsory gymnastics and sports was enacted into law in Ohio and California after the Civil War, so this one point, finally might be arguably rightwing or leftwing, depending on whether compulsory public education is.

Guess again!

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[2aguy]

Guess again!

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

Moron...from an actual economist....

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell.


The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham.

As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living.

The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

 

[initforme]

Pensions are not involved with socialism.

 

[Richard-H]

Moron...from an actual economist....

The Myth of "Nazi Capitalism" | Chris Calton

German socialism, as Mises defines it, differs from what he called “socialism of the Russian pattern” in that “it, seemingly and nominally, maintains private ownership of the means of production, entrepreneurship, and market exchange.” However, this is only a superficial system of private ownership because through a complete system of economic intervention and control, the entrepreneurial function of the property owners is completely controlled by the State. By this, Mises means that shop owners do not speculate about future events for the purpose of allocating resources in the pursuit of profits. Just like in the Soviet Union, this entrepreneurial speculation and resource allocation is done by a single entity, the State, and economic calculation is thus impossible.

“In Nazi Germany,” Mises tells us, the property owners “were called shop managers or Betriebsführer. The government tells these seeming entrepreneurs what and how to produce, at what prices and from whom to buy, at what prices and to whom to sell.


The government decrees at what wages labourers should work, and to whom and under what terms the capitalists should entrust their funds. Market exchange is but a sham.

As all prices, wages and interest rates are fixed by the authority, they are prices, wages and interest rates in appearance only; in fact they are merely quantitative terms in the authoritarian orders determining each citizen’s income, consumption and standard of living.

The authority, not the consumers, directs production. The central board of production management is supreme; all citizens are nothing else but civil servants. This is socialism with the outward appearance of capitalism. Some labels of the capitalistic market economy are retained, but they signify here something entirely different from what they mean in the market economy.”

Apparently, it's never occurred to you that the information you post are written by people that have a predetermined bias - they are trying to prove that the Nazis were the same as communists, which are the same as liberals. they are full of shit!

Hitler's goals were German expansion and revenge for WWI. He used whatever economic mechanism he felt worked for those goals. He was neither capitalist nor socialist. He believed that economics were beneath his concerns. He was above all a spiritualist who justified everything thru religious beliefs.

Try reading Mein Kampf - but try not to get any more indoctrinated than you already are!!!

 

[Oddball]

Guess again!

Economy of Nazi Germany - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[Oddball]

Apparently, it's never occurred to you that the information you post are written by people that have a predetermined bias -

From the drip who linked to Wiki?!?.....ROFLMFAO!

 

[Richard-H]

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I understand that you MAGA idiots hate Wikipedia, since you hate truth.

Your cynicism fails.

 

[2aguy]

Apparently, it's never occurred to you that the information you post are written by people that have a predetermined bias - they are trying to prove that the Nazis were the same as communists, which are the same as liberals. they are full of shit!

Hitler's goals were German expansion and revenge for WWI. He used whatever economic mechanism he felt worked for those goals. He was neither capitalist nor socialist. He believed that economics were beneath his concerns. He was above all a spiritualist who justified everything thru religious beliefs.

Try reading Mein Kampf - but try not to get any more indoctrinated than you already are!!!

Mises and Hayek, you doofus.....were in Europe during the rise of the national socialists.....you using Wikipedia is the issue.....Mises and Hayek know what they are talking about.

Whatever hitler wanted, the national socialists were socialists....I gave you how they ran their economy, from Ludwig Von Mises....and also from Friedrich Hayek......you should read them, you would actually learn something.

 

[2aguy]

Really? Nazis and Commies agree on every point of theory? The guiding principle of communism is abolition of private property. Did the Nazis abolish private properties or did they work hand in hand with companies like Messerschmitt? Don't lie now...

And just to give you some context, this country was created by slave owners like Washington and Jefferson. Is this country evil?

No, doofus....but they both believe in the control of the economy by the government....

The communists claim to abolish private property.......until they have control over it, then they never quite reach that step.......

The country ended slavery, the democrat party was created by two slave owners, the democrat party tried to admit new slave states to the Union, the democrat party started the Civil War to keep slaves, members of the democrat party started the kkk, and the democrat party fought all but the last two Civil Rights laws to the very end....

The history of the democrat party and the present of the democrat party is all about racism.....

 

[2aguy]

I understand that you MAGA idiots hate Wikipedia, since you hate truth.

Your cynicism fails.

This......

I give you Mises and Hayek....and you cite Wikipedia?

 

[alang1216]

No, doofus....but they both believe in the control of the economy by the government....

Every gov't everywhere attempts to influence the economy, it is hardly unique to communists or Nazis.

The communists claim to abolish private property.......until they have control over it, then they never quite reach that step.......

That is their stated goal, unlike the stated goals of the Nazis. I don't believe Hitler ever nationalized the private corporations of Germany. The communists never quite reach that step because it is a stupid goal, doomed to failure.

The country ended slavery, the democrat party was created by two slave owners, the democrat party tried to admit new slave states to the Union, the democrat party started the Civil War to keep slaves, members of the democrat party started the kkk, and the democrat party fought all but the last two Civil Rights laws to the very end....

The history of the democrat party and the present of the democrat party is all about racism.....

That's just silly. Equating the Dixiecrats to today's Dems is as silly as equating the first GOPers to today's GOP. Or do you contend today's GOP is for expanding Federal power of the State, increasing taxation, and favoring reparations for Blacks?

 

[g5000]

This is one of the best breakdowns of the lie that Republicans are fascists…….the author goes into detail about the left/socialists and their lies about the political spectrum……..

When the fact is mentioned that the Nazis and Commies agree on every point of theory and practice, and disagree only on minutia, the Leftists quickly explain that the line describing the spectrum of possible political opinions was actually a circle, on the grounds that whatever trait it is that the spectrum actually measures, an extreme amount of it is the same as an extreme lack.

Such a trait does not exist, of course, so this circular spectrum is designed to be nonsensical.

This idea of a circular spectrum, which runs all the way from one kind of totalitarian socialism to another kind of totalitarian socialism, was taught as gospel in the schools in my youth, and reported as fact in newspapers.
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Rightwing” refers, in America, to those upholding the Enlightenment theory of government based on natural law as articulated in the opening clauses of the Declaration of Independence.

In Europe, “Rightwing” refers to those upholding the post-Reformation nation-states, with established churches under the rule of monarchs, the aristocratic class, or some combination of the two.

Socialists come in two flavors: international socialists, called communists, and national socialists, called fascists.

The Nazis of Germany were the National Socialist German Worker’s Party. Note the word Socialist.

The Fascists of Italy proposes a collectivist program where all individualism was subordinated to the state, hence the term, “fascist” which refers to the fasci, a bundle of sticks which can be each broken separately, but not when bound together.

There are those who see the modern liberal system as being little more than a continuation of the project of the Enlightenment, which is to destroy traditional institutions.
——————————-
The designation of Left or Right, originally born in the politics of monarchic France, was co-opted by the Socialists to apply it to themselves, in order to cloak their totalitarian death-cult dogmas in the glamor and demeanor of pro-liberty and pro-equality measures popularized by the writings of Locke and Montesquieu and the success of the American Revolution.

Only by avoiding definitions, can the confusion of terms continue.



As used by Leftists, the word “Leftist” refers to any who support the overthrow of traditional institutions, monarchic or republican, the free market or the established church or the nuclear family, in favor of Socialist revolution, and “Right” refers to any opposition to that overthrow.

Since Hitler and Mussolini, both of them ardent socialists, preached the overthrow of traditional institutions in the name of halting Communism, the Communists listed them as “Rightwing” alongside the Monarchy, the Papacy, Established Protestant national churches of Europe, Imperial Japan, and the anti-monarchical disestablishmentarian republicans of America.

Fascism is Leftist » John C. Wright's Journal

www.scifiwright.com

It seems at least once a month some tard claims the Nazis were left wing.

"Because socialism...right there in the name!" That's the entirety of their idiotic argument.

Pathetic ignorance which can only be parroted by tards who have never even read Mein Kampf.

Your propagandists absolutely depend on your ignorance, rube.

 

[2aguy]

It seems at least once a month some tard claims the Nazis were left wing.

"Because socialism...right there in the name!" That's the entirety of their idiotic argument.

Pathetic ignorance which can only be parroted by tards who have never even read Mein Kampf.

Your propagandists absolutely depend on your ignorance, rube.

No......I gave you Ludwig Von Mises, and Friedrich Hayek....not only two economists, famous economists.....but they lived in Germany and Austria at the time...you doofus.

 

[2aguy]

Every gov't everywhere attempts to influence the economy, it is hardly unique to communists or Nazis.


That is their stated goal, unlike the stated goals of the Nazis. I don't believe Hitler ever nationalized the private corporations of Germany. The communists never quite reach that step because it is a stupid goal, doomed to failure.


That's just silly. Equating the Dixiecrats to today's Dems is as silly as equating the first GOPers to today's GOP. Or do you contend today's GOP is for expanding Federal power of the State, increasing taxation, and favoring reparations for Blacks?

It is exactly what the socialists of both types do....both national and international socialists.

 

[2aguy]

Every gov't everywhere attempts to influence the economy, it is hardly unique to communists or Nazis.


That is their stated goal, unlike the stated goals of the Nazis. I don't believe Hitler ever nationalized the private corporations of Germany. The communists never quite reach that step because it is a stupid goal, doomed to failure.


That's just silly. Equating the Dixiecrats to today's Dems is as silly as equating the first GOPers to today's GOP. Or do you contend today's GOP is for expanding Federal power of the State, increasing taxation, and favoring reparations for Blacks?

The democrats are just as racist as they were back then, they simply use racists of all skin colors in their party now...to take power....racism is the core belief of the democrat party.