An Autopsy for the Keyenesians

[bripat9643]

How do you explain China, South Korea and other countries that spend on science, infrastructure and r&d. they're kicking our ******* ass. The op is a dumb ass.

Beyond a dumb ass, a child actually, who posts that there is no need for either government or taxes having no clue that capitalism cannot exist without a government and a government cannot exist without taxes. In his child's world being selfish is moral and society doesn't exist.

Society isn't government, and the claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. In fact, it has already been disproven, but I won't go into that here.

Your opinion that being concerned with your own best interests is "immature" lacks any visible means of support.

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Beyond a dumb ass, a child actually, who posts that there is no need for either government or taxes having no clue that capitalism cannot exist without a government and a government cannot exist without taxes. In his child's world being selfish is moral and society doesn't exist.

Society isn't government, and the claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. In fact, it has already been disproven, but I won't go into that here.

Your opinion that being concerned with your own best interests is "immature" lacks any visible means of support.

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and **** everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

 

[Contumacious]

How do you explain China, South Korea and other countries that spend on science, infrastructure and r&d. they're kicking our ******* ass. The op is a dumb ass.

Beyond a dumb ass, a child actually, who posts that there is no need for either government or taxes having no clue that capitalism cannot exist without a government and a government cannot exist without taxes. In his child's world being selfish is moral and society doesn't exist.

Society isn't government, and the claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. In fact, it has already been disproven, but I won't go into that here.

Your opinion that being concerned with your own best interests is "immature" lacks any visible means of support.

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

Dingle Berry, may I call you db?

Go to CBS 60 minutes and watch the episode broadcasted on Sunday 12/21. hear what the Cubans say about socialism/communism.


Through out history , governments have always use their police powers in order to prevent Capitalism from existing.

You remind me of the Menendez brothers , who after murdering their parents , demanded that the Court show mercy on them because they were orphans.

.

 

[bripat9643]

Society isn't government, and the claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. In fact, it has already been disproven, but I won't go into that here.

Your opinion that being concerned with your own best interests is "immature" lacks any visible means of support.

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and **** everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

Do you know how we can easily tell when a statement is not a fact? You claim it's a fact.

Caring for your offspring is acting in your self interest. Your children are the means you use to transmit your genes to future generations. By caring for your children, you are simply protecting your genes. Notice that almost no one stays up all night caring for someone else's children.

 

[bripat9643]

Beyond a dumb ass, a child actually, who posts that there is no need for either government or taxes having no clue that capitalism cannot exist without a government and a government cannot exist without taxes. In his child's world being selfish is moral and society doesn't exist.

Society isn't government, and the claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. In fact, it has already been disproven, but I won't go into that here.

Your opinion that being concerned with your own best interests is "immature" lacks any visible means of support.

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

Dingle Berry, may I call you db?

Go to CBS 60 minutes and watch the episode broadcasted on Sunday 12/21. hear what the Cubans say about socialism/communism.


Through out history , governments have always use their police powers in order to prevent Capitalism from existing.

You remind me of the Menendez brothers , who after murdering their parents , demanded that the Court show mercy on them because they were orphans.

.

Private property, markets and trading existed thousands of years before government every existed.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Beyond a dumb ass, a child actually, who posts that there is no need for either government or taxes having no clue that capitalism cannot exist without a government and a government cannot exist without taxes. In his child's world being selfish is moral and society doesn't exist.

Society isn't government, and the claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. In fact, it has already been disproven, but I won't go into that here.

Your opinion that being concerned with your own best interests is "immature" lacks any visible means of support.

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

Dingle Berry, may I call you db?

Go to CBS 60 minutes and watch the episode broadcasted on Sunday 12/21. hear what the Cubans say about socialism/communism.


Through out history , governments have always use their police powers in order to prevent Capitalism from existing.

You remind me of the Menendez brothers , who after murdering their parents , demanded that the Court show mercy on them because they were orphans.

.

Hey dumbass, I saw the report and Cuba is a mess because of our actions and theirs. I'm a big fan of exporting capitalism back to Cuba, but that will still require a functioning government to make it work. Capitalism doesn't work in a vacuum. If it did a place with no laws would be a capitalistic paradise but such things aren't, they are instead little hells on earth. Got it now?

 

[bripat9643]

Society isn't government, and the claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. In fact, it has already been disproven, but I won't go into that here.

Your opinion that being concerned with your own best interests is "immature" lacks any visible means of support.

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

Dingle Berry, may I call you db?

Go to CBS 60 minutes and watch the episode broadcasted on Sunday 12/21. hear what the Cubans say about socialism/communism.


Through out history , governments have always use their police powers in order to prevent Capitalism from existing.

You remind me of the Menendez brothers , who after murdering their parents , demanded that the Court show mercy on them because they were orphans.

.

Hey dumbass, I saw the report and Cuba is a mess because of our actions and theirs. I'm a big fan of exporting capitalism back to Cuba, but that will still require a functioning government to make it work. Capitalism doesn't work in a vacuum. If it did a place with no laws would be a capitalistic paradise but such things aren't, they are instead little hells on earth. Got it now?

Government and laws are two separate things. Many cultures have laws with no formal government.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

1. Almost every so-called "fact" posted in this forum is actually a claim, especially when it comes to economics.
2. I don't "rationalize" about human nature or ethics. I just observe them. Whenever a man claims he's working purely for the benefit of others, everyone but a fool knows he's working for himself.

What I "claim" is actually a fact, you just don't understand even the basics of capitalism enough to understand why, and you've somehow swallowed the lie that saying you are selfish is more honest than saying you aren't but in fact you are simply selfish. All you can see is what's good for you and **** everyone else. And I'm not talking about some pretend saint here but the adult who stays up all night with a sick child and the one who drags themselves off to work in the morning to support them. You see only yourself, period. That is your full-time occupation.

Do you know how we can easily tell when a statement is not a fact? You claim it's a fact.

Caring for your offspring is acting in your self interest. Your children are the means you use to transmit your genes to future generations. By caring for your children, you are simply protecting your genes. Notice that almost no one stays up all night caring for someone else's children.

Actually lots of people do, one because it's the right thing to do, if you're moral that is but you aren't so you won't get that, and two because lots of children are not carrying the genes of their parents. In your world you protect your biological children but say what the **** about your adopted and step-children and that's not how it works. You've taken the Selfish Gene argument to the utterly stupid and made a rationalization of it. Even the guy who coined the term would say so.

 

[Mac1958]

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People who actually practice in economics and finance - at least those of whom are not partisan ideologues - know that finding the proper equilibrium between the rantings of both "ends" would be closer to ideal.

That's why those of us who are actually in the business tend to roll our eyes at the "economic theory" of politicians, politicos, pundits and partisans.

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[PaintMyHouse]

Where there is no government capitalism doesn't exist dumbass, and only an infant thinks only of itself and they are supposed to grow up but you never did.

What is that nonsense about private property you believe in again, written but that ultra-nutter?

Your claim that capitalism can't exist without government remains to be proven. End of story.

Furthermore, most people put their own interests before the interests of others. That's how adults behave, but a lot of them lie about it.

1. It's a not a claim dumbass, it's a fact and history proves it so, not to mention anything worth a damn written about capitalism.
2. That's the rationalization that helps you sleep at night, like the baby you are.

Dingle Berry, may I call you db?

Go to CBS 60 minutes and watch the episode broadcasted on Sunday 12/21. hear what the Cubans say about socialism/communism.


Through out history , governments have always use their police powers in order to prevent Capitalism from existing.

You remind me of the Menendez brothers , who after murdering their parents , demanded that the Court show mercy on them because they were orphans.

.

Hey dumbass, I saw the report and Cuba is a mess because of our actions and theirs. I'm a big fan of exporting capitalism back to Cuba, but that will still require a functioning government to make it work. Capitalism doesn't work in a vacuum. If it did a place with no laws would be a capitalistic paradise but such things aren't, they are instead little hells on earth. Got it now?

Government and laws are two separate things. Many cultures have laws with no formal government.

Name one, and tell us how these laws came about? Did they just fall from the sky or did they come about over the ages laid down by elders and councils of elders? Name just one society that has laws but no form of "government" to enforce them? You know, the "we're just nice people" who say don't murder but if you do they just keep smiling. Name one dumbass?

 

[frigidweirdo]

The biggest problem appears to be that we don't understand how the economy works. We try and control it, we've got good at controlling it and we think we need to control it more to get what we want. Problem is we only try and really control it once we've messed it all up and seem unable to control it when we haven't messed it up.

In general the economy will naturally go up and down, we can't stop it, we can change it though, more for the worst than for the better however.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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People who actually practice in economics and finance - at least those of whom are not partisan ideologues - know that finding the proper equilibrium between the rantings of both "ends" would be closer to ideal.

That's why those of us who are actually in the business tend to roll our eyes at the "economic theory" of politicians, politicos, pundits and partisans.

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Oh no, dumbass has it all worked out. Capitalism doesn't require anything governments or society provides, he's sure of it and both history and all those other guys are wrong.

 

[Contumacious]

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Hey dumbass, I saw the report and Cuba is a mess because of our actions and theirs. I'm a big fan of exporting capitalism back to Cuba, but that will still require a functioning government to make it work. Capitalism doesn't work in a vacuum. If it did a place with no laws would be a capitalistic paradise but such things aren't, they are instead little hells on earth. Got it now?

Excuse me again, db

if you need someone to "make it work" then you do not have Capitalism.

Capitalism uses the invisible hands of market place to "make it work".


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[PaintMyHouse]

In general the economy will naturally go up and down, we can't stop it, we can change it though, more for the worst than for the better however.

That is an ideological stance and a bad one. Good regulation works, safer drugs, and bad regulation doesn't, banks playing the stock market. Period. There is no Government is the Problem. That is bullshit of the highest order from a master bullshitter.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

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Hey dumbass, I saw the report and Cuba is a mess because of our actions and theirs. I'm a big fan of exporting capitalism back to Cuba, but that will still require a functioning government to make it work. Capitalism doesn't work in a vacuum. If it did a place with no laws would be a capitalistic paradise but such things aren't, they are instead little hells on earth. Got it now?

Excuse me again, db
if you need someone to "make it work" then you do not have Capitalism.
Capitalism uses the invisible hands of market place to "make it work".

No, it doesn't. That is but one part of capitalism, learn the rest. Start with Adam Smith.

 

[The Rabbi]

Keynesianism is the most discredited idea since mercantilism. That anyone still believes it is incredible.

 

[frigidweirdo]

In general the economy will naturally go up and down, we can't stop it, we can change it though, more for the worst than for the better however.

That is an ideological stance and a bad one. Good regulation works, safer drugs, and bad regulation doesn't, banks playing the stock market. Period. There is no Government is the Problem. That is bullshit of the highest order from a master bullshitter.

I'm a bit lost. I'm not sure how what you've said relates to what I said.

Of course there's good regulation and bad regulation. But if you don't understand something, how are you going to regulate it effectively? The economy is a massive beast that even the brightest minds don't always understand. They know they can do this or that and it will probably have a negative impact or a positive impact. But they really don't understand the whole thing.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

In general the economy will naturally go up and down, we can't stop it, we can change it though, more for the worst than for the better however.

That is an ideological stance and a bad one. Good regulation works, safer drugs, and bad regulation doesn't, banks playing the stock market. Period. There is no Government is the Problem. That is bullshit of the highest order from a master bullshitter.

I'm a bit lost. I'm not sure how what you've said relates to what I said.

Of course there's good regulation and bad regulation. But if you don't understand something, how are you going to regulate it effectively? The economy is a massive beast that even the brightest minds don't always understand. They know they can do this or that and it will probably have a negative impact or a positive impact. But they really don't understand the whole thing.

A full understanding isn't required nor can one be had. There are too many actors in the system to wait around until you're sure you have it right. Like all human things you do what can but you must act because if you don't capitalism destroys itself at a blistering pace and does a lot of damage in the process. If you had unregulated capitalism here I'd own this piece of shit because I'd sell you anything you wanted, as long as the price was right.

And this, "...we can change it though, more for the worst than for the better however." is ideology and incorrect.

 

[PaintMyHouse]

Keynesianism is the most discredited idea since mercantilism. That anyone still believes it is incredible.

Yeah, just because it's worked time and again. **** that noise eh?

 

[Contumacious]

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Hey dumbass, I saw the report and Cuba is a mess because of our actions and theirs. I'm a big fan of exporting capitalism back to Cuba, but that will still require a functioning government to make it work. Capitalism doesn't work in a vacuum. If it did a place with no laws would be a capitalistic paradise but such things aren't, they are instead little hells on earth. Got it now?

Excuse me again, db
if you need someone to "make it work" then you do not have Capitalism.
Capitalism uses the invisible hands of market place to "make it work".

No, it doesn't. That is but one part of capitalism, learn the rest. Start with Adam Smith.

If Capitalism needs someone to "make it work" then you are referring to fascism. Start with Ayn Rand.

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