An alternate view of Nelson Mandela

[BackAgain]

What was in it for India? The problem is that you guys think Hitler wanted to take over the world, which is just... silly. In fact, Hitler would have been perfectly happy to let the US have the Americas, Japan have Asia, and the UK have the ME and Africa, so long as he got to keep Europe.

Ghandi was lukewarm in his support for the Allied cause because he opposed war in general.

If he hadn't, he might have called for Indians to rise up during the war for independence, instead of encouraging them to join the Commonwealth forces.

So, you now maintain that unless there is “something in it” for his native India, his pacifism in the face of monstrous evil is appropriate.

Not all that surprising coming from a slimey toadstool, like you.

 

[BackAgain]

Speaking of the British, the British allowed a horrible famine to kill perhaps as many as 4 million people in East Bengal. When he heard about the famine, Churchill replied, "Has Ghandi starved yet."

Churchill hated Gandhi as much as he hated Hitler.

Another transparent and meaningless effort to change the subject. You only convince assholes like fuckstick.

 

[BackAgain]

BackAgain

you are becoming hysterical

You think my not approving of the ANC murdering people amounts to support for apartheid?

I think you know this topic is slipping away from you and you hope to save it by making outragious claims with no basis in fact

Why link me to this refutation of the asshole, fuckstick? I’m not responsible for what that piece of shit posts.

 

[Mac-7]

Why link me to this refutation of the asshole, fuckstick? I’m not responsible for what that piece of shit posts.

Obviously I was replying to Deadstick

I might have mistakenly included you somehow

 

[Zincwarrior]

No one discusses an alternate view of Admiral Nelson.

 

[BackAgain]

Obviously I was replying to Deadstick

I might have mistakenly included you somehow

Hey. It happens. No big deal. I was just wondering if you had me confused with anyone who thinks like that idiot, Fuckstick.

 

[JoeB131]

So, you now maintain that unless there is “something in it” for his native India, his pacifism in the face of monstrous evil is appropriate.

Not all that surprising coming from a slimey toadstool, like you.

Oh, let's get real. The ONLY reason why the US entered the war was that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Before that, they weren't doing all that much to oppose "monstrous evil".

At the same time, millions of Indian Men were fighting in North Africa for the Commonwealth.

 

[JoeB131]

No one discusses an alternate view of Admiral Nelson.

 

[Deadstick]

Oh, let's get real. The ONLY reason why the US entered the war was that the Japanese bombed Pearl Harbor.

Before that, they weren't doing all that much to oppose "monstrous evil".

At the same time, millions of Indian Men were fighting in North Africa for the Commonwealth.

Many of those Indian troops fought and died in the battle of Kohima.

Battle of Kohima - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[martybegan]

So I breezed through the clip

That was a mistake on your part

The presenter made no excuses for apartheid

It had to go

But the barbarism of the anti apartheid/communism methods embraced by Mandela was not the best way to go about it

I know how much libs loathe admitting their own mistakes

But canonizing Nelson Mandela is a giant booboo

It worked, didn't it?

It was a combination of violence, internal economic pressure, and external economic pressure.

The eventual breakdown of the reconciliation and the current situation South Africa finds itself it didn't get caused by Mandela and his generation. On both sides there was willingness to compromise. The current situation is caused by the new generation of the ANC, which is corrupt, and out for revenge.

The thing is that willingness to compromise from the Whites was brought on by the violence perpetrated by the ANC and Inkatha.

 

[Mac-7]

It worked, didn't it?

It was a combination of violence, internal economic pressure, and external economic pressure.

The eventual breakdown of the reconciliation and the current situation South Africa finds itself it didn't get caused by Mandela and his generation. On both sides there was willingness to compromise. The current situation is caused by the new generation of the ANC, which is corrupt, and out for revenge.

The thing is that willingness to compromise from the Whites was brought on by the violence perpetrated by the ANC and Inkatha.

The South African army could handle the terrorists

If anything the violence weakened the influence of white moderates

But the international sanctions could not be ignored

 

[martybegan]

The South African army could handle the terrorists

If anything the violence weakened the influence of white moderates

But the international sanctions could not be ignored

The violence was to be expected considering the conditions created by Apartheid.

They were less and less going to be able to due to the fact they couldn't update their equipment due to the sanctions.

All those things didn't work in isolation.

 

[Mac-7]

The violence was to be expected considering the conditions created by Apartheid.

They were less and less going to be able to due to the fact they couldn't update their equipment due to the sanctions.

All those things didn't work in isolation.

The violence could be expected because the ANC was infested with communists and because african culture is violent

 

[martybegan]

The violence could be expected because the ANC was infested with communists and because african culture is violent

Or because the Apartheid system was truly fucked up. And pretty much every revolutionary was a Marxist in the 1970's and 1980's.

At least the ANC was smart enough in 1994 not to follow through on it after the collapse of the Soviets.

We had to win the cold war before we could truly show how messed up communism is. It was simply too attractive to oppressed people who didn't know any better.

That's why you only see commie movements these days in western countries that haven't had to deal with socialism's bullshit before.

Not the Euro-model Bismarck welfare State, actual socialism.

 

[Deadstick]

It worked, didn't it?

It was a combination of violence, internal economic pressure, and external economic pressure.

The eventual breakdown of the reconciliation and the current situation South Africa finds itself it didn't get caused by Mandela and his generation. On both sides there was willingness to compromise. The current situation is caused by the new generation of the ANC, which is corrupt, and out for revenge.

The thing is that willingness to compromise from the Whites was brought on by the violence perpetrated by the ANC and Inkatha.

It was also brought on by the Cubans in Angola when they stopped the Apartheid forces who had invaded and were threatening Luanda the MPLA backed by the Cubans stopped them, that is when the South Africans knew the game was up in South Africa.

 

[martybegan]

It was also brought on by the Cubans in Angola when they stopped the Apartheid forces who had invaded and were threatening Luanda the MPLA backed by the Cubans stopped them, that is when the South Africans knew the game was up in South Africa.

They still controlled South West Africa, and even after that they kept Walvis Bay, so it wasn't a clean cut line in the sand of potential decline.

 

[Deadstick]

The violence could be expected because the ANC was infested with communists and because african culture is violent

So when people are massacred in the streets and Townships how would you expect them to react?some leaders of the ANC were Communists some not, so what? some white like Joe Slovo and his wife, she was murdered by the South African terrorists.

 

[braalian]

maybe trying to be cultured but everybody actually had it better under white rule
yes blacks did as well as the economy was good thus cheaper prices, that trickles down

where their some rich people with nice homes? sure, they also were the backbone of the economy at large

poor blacks don't bring anything to the table, except theft, drunks, druggies......etc

reason South Chicago and detroit are such dumps now.......gangs and drugs run the show

that is not being productive, that is being a menace to society

Was apartheid a necessary part of all that?

Apartheid was inherently evil and had to be ended at any cost

 

[Litwin]

He was a black commie.

a Bantu commie

 

[Mac-7]

So when people are massacred in the streets and Townships how would you expect them to react?some leaders of the ANC were Communists some not, so what? some white like Joe Slovo and his wife, she was murdered by the South African terrorists.

Violence begets violence

The communists counted on blood in the streets and made sure they got it through the use of terrorism