An alternate view of Nelson Mandela

[martybegan]

What business did anyone have "mandating" the partition of their land?

"Hey, we feel bad about the Holocaust, so we are going to MANDATE that you give half your land to the Jews!"

"Um, we didn't kill anyone in the Holocaust, why are we being punished?"

The UN is using the same standard it applied to Serbia and Rwanda.

I honestly doubt if the Zionists went back to Europe, the Arabs would care anymore.

They had the authority under the Mandate of Palestine, created after WWI by treaty.

The rest of your crap is just jew hate.

 

[JoeB131]

They had the authority under the Mandate of Palestine, created after WWI by treaty.

The rest of your crap is just jew hate.

you mean the "Mandate" they had because they lied to the Arabs to get them to revolt against the Ottomans? That "Mandate".

Yes, History is Jew Hate. Keep telling yourself that.

 

[martybegan]

you mean the "Mandate" they had because they lied to the Arabs to get them to revolt against the Ottomans? That "Mandate".

Yes, History is Jew Hate. Keep telling yourself that.

The Arabs didn't need to be lied to in order to revolt against the Turks.

 

[JoeB131]

The Arabs didn't need to be lied to in order to revolt against the Turks.

Actually, the Ottoman Sultan was the Caliph of Islam. They probably had a good reason to fight FOR the Turks.

Instead, they trusted the British and got screwed.

Just like everyone else who ever trusted the British, come to think of it.

 

[martybegan]

Actually, the Ottoman Sultan was the Caliph of Islam. They probably had a good reason to fight FOR the Turks.

Instead, they trusted the British and got screwed.

Just like everyone else who ever trusted the British, come to think of it.

At that point in history nationalism was overtaking religious fealty. Islamism as we know it was a reaction a few decades later to the breakup of the Sultanate, and by that time, the Shia and Sunni branches had split far enough to make it an issue between the two of them.

The British were probably one of the most benign empire builders in history. Ask the people who were under Spanish, Dutch, or going back, the Huns or the Mongols.

Empires happen.

 

[JoeB131]

At that point in history nationalism was overtaking religious fealty. Islamism as we know it was a reaction a few decades later to the breakup of the Sultanate, and by that time, the Shia and Sunni branches had split far enough to make it an issue between the two of them.

I think you are a bit confused here. The Arabs are, for the most part, Sunnis. Certainly, the Hashemites and other tribes that helped the British.

The issue was nationalism, to be sure, but the British stabbed the Arabs in the back by turning the place into colonies instead of nations.

And of course, trying to settle Europe's Jews in Palestine (where very few of them lived before that.)

The British were probably one of the most benign empire builders in history. Ask the people who were under Spanish, Dutch, or going back, the Huns or the Mongols.

Tell that to the Aboriginal Australians, who were nearly completely genocided by the British.

Or the residents of the British Raj, who were routinely exploited. (India went from being one of the world's richest regions to one of the poorest.)

 

[martybegan]

I think you are a bit confused here. The Arabs are, for the most part, Sunnis. Certainly, the Hashemites and other tribes that helped the British.

The issue was nationalism, to be sure, but the British stabbed the Arabs in the back by turning the place into colonies instead of nations.

And of course, trying to settle Europe's Jews in Palestine (where very few of them lived before that.)


Tell that to the Aboriginal Australians, who were nearly completely genocided by the British.

Or the residents of the British Raj, who were routinely exploited. (India went from being one of the world's richest regions to one of the poorest.)

The Arabs are also not Turks.

The British did the British thing, just like the French and the Japanese after the war. Russia missed out due to the whole Bolshevik Revolution thing. Hell the US was supposed to get Turkey as a Mandate but the Senate didn't want it.

That was exploitation, not genocide.

Yes, exploitation, the way more powerful groups act towards less powerful groups throughout history.