Amy Klobuchar Joins the Chorus of Democrats Trying to avoid Admitting that Trump has issued ZERO Unlawful Orders

Well. Then I thank you for my $30,000 tax payment reduction Trump granted me. I'll pay $300k next year instead of $330k in taxes. Meanwhile people like you will continue to support people like me and those even wealthier because of con artist Trump. You simpletons crack me up.
Reverse psychology is ineffective. If you have had the foresight, the skill and the wherewithal to be in the position that you're in then you deserve every penny. I don't know your financials particularly but if you're contributing $300,000 to the federal government all I can say is thank you very much.
Unless you inherited the money I'm going to assume that you put in a fair amount of work, focus and dedication to get where you are.
Such things deserve the reward!

Jo
 
Well. Then I thank you for my $30,000 tax payment reduction Trump granted me. I'll pay $300k next year instead of $330k in taxes. Meanwhile people like you will continue to support people like me and those even wealthier because of con artist Trump. You simpletons crack me up.
Oh yeah, and I'm the Great and All Powerful Oz. You're just another phoney democrat.
 
Then you dont read any of my posts which are well cited and rooted in fact.

Like most uneducated right wing nuts you make up a strawman to debate. No progressive democrat and certainly not me advocates communism. Democrats take a republican policy on healthcare and turn it into the ACA and suddenly republicans call it communism. There is no successful working government based on right wing ideology in the world for a reason. There are plenty of successful liberal social democracies though. No one wants the shit you try to argue against... communism. Crazy and intellectually lazy.

The current president has destroyed all democratic governing norms and used every instance to establish unconstitutional rule. Its taking the courts months to dismantle his power grab but it is being demolished. His tariffs are about to be crashed by the SCOTUS.

I have 2 BAs and a masters. I have plenty of understanding on history (one of my majors), economics (another one), and Business (another one). We can have intelligent discussions on policy and history but you'd have to drop your act of arguing against policies no one is proposing and youd have to stop the conspiracy shit too. Otherwise you are a lost cause of another right wing cultist.
You're not educated, you're indoctrinated.

And yes there was a successful "right wing" government - it was the United States Constitutional Republic prior to the 1930's Supreme Court attacks on our Constitution.

And if you know anything about that era, and going back to the financial takeover of our money supply, and with it our entire economy, by the Money Trust in 1913 with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, you would know that it was the same financial powers that pushed through the FedRes Act, that pushed through all of the attacks on our Constitution in the 1930's.

Our fate was effectively sealed at that point.

Since you love left-wing academia, don't take my word for it, read Establishment Historian and Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope.

Quigley was a mentor to Bubba Clinton. Clinton even credited him in his 1992 Democratic Nomination acceptance speech for his mentorship.

Quigley said exactly what I just said about how our government financial system and Constitution were seized by the Establishment Elites - the only difference from me is that he thought it was a good thing.

Truth be told, you have no foundational understanding of why you believe what you believe - you were indoctrinated with a toxic curriculum that was shaped by radical leftists and funded by the global banking elite.

You have much to learn if you have any hope of understanding what is happening today.
 
You're not educated, you're indoctrinated.
Such an educated point of view.
And yes there was a successful "right wing" government - it was the United States Constitutional Republic prior to the 1930's Supreme Court attacks on our Constitution.

And if you know anything about that era, and going back to the financial takeover of our money supply, and with it our entire economy, by the Money Trust in 1913 with the passage of the Federal Reserve Act, you would know that it was the same financial powers that pushed through the FedRes Act, that pushed through all of the attacks on our Constitution in the 1930's.

Our fate was effectively sealed at that point.
Right wing governing is so successful you have to go back 100 years to give me an example?

Pre-1930's US had massive poverty, low life expectancy, no safety nets, child labor, deadly workplaces, high illiteracy, boom-bust cycles and depressions, extreme inequality, zero consumer protections, there were “success” for elites, not for the general population. This is why every modern country abandoned those models.

How about I give you a dozen modern left leaning social democratic countries that have high taxes and large welfare states that are successful in that they lead in every category from life expectancy to happiness to standard of living? Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Iceland, Sweden, Netherlands, Canada, Switzerland, New Zealand, Australia, Austria, even France.
Since you love left-wing academia, don't take my word for it, read Establishment Historian and Georgetown University Professor Carroll Quigley's book Tragedy and Hope.

Quigley was a mentor to Bubba Clinton. Clinton even credited him in his 1992 Democratic Nomination acceptance speech for his mentorship.

Quigley said exactly what I just said about how our government financial system and Constitution were seized by the Establishment Elites - the only difference from me is that he thought it was a good thing.
Quigley wrote about elite networks - not as conspiracies, but as sociological facts. He argued that: Influential financial, political, and academic elites (mostly Anglo-American) form networks of cooperation. These networks, like the Round Table groups, the Council on Foreign Relations, or Rhodes-inspired circles, are not omnipotent cabals, but cohesive communities that help set policy norms and long-term strategic thinking. He explicitly said he approved of some of this coordination; he was not warning of secret control.

Important: Quigley wrote about real-world policy and academic networks, not puppet-master “New World Order” fantasies. Later authors (e.g., John Birch Society and later conspiracy media) pulled small quotes out of context and ran with it as support for conspiracy nonsense. Simple brains like you didn't read it. You read someone's comments about it.
Truth be told, you have no foundational understanding of why you believe what you believe - you were indoctrinated with a toxic curriculum that was shaped by radical leftists and funded by the global banking elite.

You have much to learn if you have any hope of understanding what is happening today.
You have no idea what I believe because I only post facts. If you look at the most successful countries they aren't running right wing governments because they do not work. That isnt a belief. It is a fact.
 
Reverse psychology is ineffective. If you have had the foresight, the skill and the wherewithal to be in the position that you're in then you deserve every penny. I don't know your financials particularly but if you're contributing $300,000 to the federal government all I can say is thank you very much.
Unless you inherited the money I'm going to assume that you put in a fair amount of work, focus and dedication to get where you are.
Such things deserve the reward!

Jo
I work very hard. Everyday. But I am also smart and well educated - much of that education with tax supported institutions. I drive to my job and communicate through publicly funded infrastructure. My customers are protected by institutions that are funded with tax supported institutions. Our facilities are protected from fire by publicly funded institutions. There is a long list of benefits in my life that I didnt work hard for. I didnt build Central Park or protect Yosemite from development. I didnt make sure that water was clean or that the sewer doesnt dump into my local lake. The list goes on.

What makes $300k the right amount of taxes and not $330k for all that?
 
Such an educated point of view.

Right wing governing is so successful you have to go back 100 years to give me an example?

Pre-1930's US had massive poverty, low life expectancy, no safety nets, child labor, deadly workplaces, high illiteracy, boom-bust cycles and depressions, extreme inequality, zero consumer protections, there were “success” for elites, not for the general population. This is why every modern country abandoned those models.

How about I give you a dozen modern left leaning social democratic countries that have high taxes and large welfare states that are successful in that they lead in every category from life expectancy to happiness to standard of living? Norway, Denmark, Belgium, Iceland, Sweden, Netherlands, Canada, Switzerland, New Zealand, Australia, Austria, even France.

Quigley wrote about elite networks - not as conspiracies, but as sociological facts. He argued that: Influential financial, political, and academic elites (mostly Anglo-American) form networks of cooperation. These networks, like the Round Table groups, the Council on Foreign Relations, or Rhodes-inspired circles, are not omnipotent cabals, but cohesive communities that help set policy norms and long-term strategic thinking. He explicitly said he approved of some of this coordination; he was not warning of secret control.

Important: Quigley wrote about real-world policy and academic networks, not puppet-master “New World Order” fantasies. Later authors (e.g., John Birch Society and later conspiracy media) pulled small quotes out of context and ran with it as support for conspiracy nonsense. Simple brains like you didn't read it. You read someone's comments about it.

You have no idea what I believe because I only post facts. If you look at the most successful countries they aren't running right wing governments because they do not work. That isnt a belief. It is a fact.
You are are quite the deluded mess, lol
 
In other words it cannot ultimately be declared illegal. Use of the term illegal most likely by liberal judges is there to appease the party affiliation.
There are a couple of cases involving the military where Trump was found by the Court to make unlawful orders, still working through the appeal courts right now, including the DC deployment....waiting for last appeal....all court rulings so far, ruled against Trump claims....


US judge rules Trump illegally ordered National Guard to Portland, Oregon​



And a few others working through the Courts in Memphis, L.A., Chicago....

The message imo and at most, was mainly reminding Commanders, the Brass....(that even though Trump fired the 12 Constitutional expert JAGS that the Generals had always relied on for their lawful vs unlawful advice at the Air Force, Army, and Marines, which Trump ordered etc), they took an oath to disobey unlawful orders so seek advice....somehow....

And there is the boat and people disintegrations in the Caribbean legality in question as well, and working through the courts....and a war crime that is coming out in the news...

The boat was blown to smithereens but two men survived holding on to pieces of the boat, and Hegseth ordered per Trump allegedly, to blow up the two people with the remains of the boat. That's MURDER and a, WAR CRIME. That is why the General over South America resigned we are finding out...and there is video of the second strike killing the live witnesses and survivors.
 
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