Amino acid synthesis

[esalla]

The beginnings of life does not have to be DNA surrounded by cellulose, etc. Research (I forget where) found that a viable form of "life" that can replicate is in the form of RNA surrounded and protected by lipids. Furthermore perhaps not all four, AGCT bases are necessary. Maybe (or maybe not) just two can work. Once a very simple system that can replicate arises, mutations and evolution will do the rest.

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There is no example in either nature or science where code writes itself. You forget a lot it seems

Yet atoms and molecules can, under the right conditions, assemble themselves into a very specific order. They are called crystals.

Actually what DNA does is to rearrange the natural electrical bonding of atoms so that the atoms do specific jobs at different times. See DNA is a code that not only arranges but changes and morphs the arrangement constantly, predictably and according to a time based plan. In nature the electrical bonds between atoms do not change and they could remain stable for billions of years. Funny how little PHD's like you refuse to admit that I kicked all of your collective asses

Play on

Actually, DNA clearly does not change and morph the arrangement constantly, predictably and according to a time based plan. External factors cause DNA to change and morph (mutations), in unpredictable ways.

Sure it does, you have heard of sperm and eggs, turning into embryos, then infants, then kids, then adults with no brain like you

You are my Doctoral toy for the day

I can see you're angry so don't let the fact of DNA mutations utterly contradict your earlier, false claim.

DNA never mutated before it existed.

Keep shaking your bucket trying to form DNA turkey

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

 

[Hollie]

The beginnings of life does not have to be DNA surrounded by cellulose, etc. Research (I forget where) found that a viable form of "life" that can replicate is in the form of RNA surrounded and protected by lipids. Furthermore perhaps not all four, AGCT bases are necessary. Maybe (or maybe not) just two can work. Once a very simple system that can replicate arises, mutations and evolution will do the rest.

.

There is no example in either nature or science where code writes itself. You forget a lot it seems

Yet atoms and molecules can, under the right conditions, assemble themselves into a very specific order. They are called crystals.

Actually what DNA does is to rearrange the natural electrical bonding of atoms so that the atoms do specific jobs at different times. See DNA is a code that not only arranges but changes and morphs the arrangement constantly, predictably and according to a time based plan. In nature the electrical bonds between atoms do not change and they could remain stable for billions of years. Funny how little PHD's like you refuse to admit that I kicked all of your collective asses

Play on

Actually, DNA clearly does not change and morph the arrangement constantly, predictably and according to a time based plan. External factors cause DNA to change and morph (mutations), in unpredictable ways.

Sure it does, you have heard of sperm and eggs, turning into embryos, then infants, then kids, then adults with no brain like you

You are my Doctoral toy for the day

I can see you're angry so don't let the fact of DNA mutations utterly contradict your earlier, false claim.

DNA never mutated before it existed.

Keep shaking your bucket trying to form DNA turkey

"DNA never mutated before it existed."

Yes. DNA never existed before it existed.

 

[esalla]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, photosynthesizing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

 

[esalla]

The beginnings of life does not have to be DNA surrounded by cellulose, etc. Research (I forget where) found that a viable form of "life" that can replicate is in the form of RNA surrounded and protected by lipids. Furthermore perhaps not all four, AGCT bases are necessary. Maybe (or maybe not) just two can work. Once a very simple system that can replicate arises, mutations and evolution will do the rest.

.

There is no example in either nature or science where code writes itself. You forget a lot it seems

Yet atoms and molecules can, under the right conditions, assemble themselves into a very specific order. They are called crystals.

Actually what DNA does is to rearrange the natural electrical bonding of atoms so that the atoms do specific jobs at different times. See DNA is a code that not only arranges but changes and morphs the arrangement constantly, predictably and according to a time based plan. In nature the electrical bonds between atoms do not change and they could remain stable for billions of years. Funny how little PHD's like you refuse to admit that I kicked all of your collective asses

Play on

Actually, DNA clearly does not change and morph the arrangement constantly, predictably and according to a time based plan. External factors cause DNA to change and morph (mutations), in unpredictable ways.

Sure it does, you have heard of sperm and eggs, turning into embryos, then infants, then kids, then adults with no brain like you

You are my Doctoral toy for the day

I can see you're angry so don't let the fact of DNA mutations utterly contradict your earlier, false claim.

DNA never mutated before it existed.

Keep shaking your bucket trying to form DNA turkey

"DNA never mutated before it existed."

Yes. DNA never existed before it existed.

Keep shaking that bucket proving that shaking buckets creates code

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Yes. Your earlier claim is utterly contradicted.

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

 

[esalla]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Yes. Your earlier claim is utterly contradicted.

Not by the lack of information that you just relayed

 

[esalla]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

Again Bill Gates is a DROPOUT

Prove me wrong

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Yes. Your earlier claim is utterly contradicted.

Not by the lack of information that you just relayed

Did you forget what you wrote?

 

[esalla]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

Did they tell you that you could win?

Do you always give up so soon?

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

Again Bill Gates is a DROPOUT

Prove me wrong

Again. I proved you wrong. Prove me wrong.

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

Did they tell you that you could win?

Do you always give up so soon?

Scrambling to dodge your false claim?

 

[esalla]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Yes. Your earlier claim is utterly contradicted.

Not by the lack of information that you just relayed

Did you forget what you wrote?

Not at all, did you forget that the o/1's of a computer operating system have no meaning without the computer and vice versa.

 

[esalla]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

Again Bill Gates is a DROPOUT

Prove me wrong

Again. I proved you wrong. Prove me wrong.

Easy, you provided no information that could be considered evidence of anything. So your proof is based upon the lack of evidence and not the abundance of such. That said schizzos impress their selves quite easily

You do accept that Einstein was wrong about the Universe right? Or was he just wrong about everything before he was right about everything

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

 

[esalla]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

Did they tell you that you could win?

Do you always give up so soon?

Scrambling to dodge your false claim?

Actually I am sitting in an office chair playing with the doctor who summoned me for a spanking in a public forum

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Yes. Your earlier claim is utterly contradicted.

Not by the lack of information that you just relayed

Did you forget what you wrote?

Not at all, did you forget that the o/1's of a computer operating system have no meaning without the computer and vice versa.

Did you not know that biological organisms operate differently than computers?

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

Did they tell you that you could win?

Do you always give up so soon?

Scrambling to dodge your false claim?

Actually I am sitting in an office chair playing with the doctor who summoned me for a spanking in a public forum

This is not the place for your psycho-sexual fantasies.

 

[Hollie]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Ph. D.

Again Bill Gates is a DROPOUT

Prove me wrong

Again. I proved you wrong. Prove me wrong.

Easy, you provided no information that could be considered evidence of anything. So your proof is based upon the lack of evidence and not the abundance of such. That said schizzos impress their selves quite easily

You do accept that Einstein was wrong about the Universe right? Or was he just wrong about everything before he was right about everything

Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

You're confused about the topic.

 

[esalla]

I think you forgot the law of large numbers ...

I'm very familiar with the law of large numbers ... as a casino gambler I can say I'm quite intimate with the "gambler's fallacy" ...

That answers the wrong question ... we don't care how small the probability is that a more complex amino acid forms in any given year ... having enough years the probability of this amino acid to form just once approaches certainty ... thus "once is enough" ...

Consider the "one in a trillion" mutation that allows the individual to double their successful reproduction ... in so many generations this mutation will come to dominate the gene pool ... just one mutation occurring just once ...

Remember ... time we have in abundance ...

That is only true when you are talking about one step in any pathway where the second step is not dependent on the first step in a complex way. I was trying to help you realize that the RATE of chance formation of any one amino acid becomes more predictable the more trials are involved. And I asked how one polypeptide formed in Andromeda galaxy would get to meet another polypeptide formed in Milky Way 10,000 years later?

But, yes, once is enough for any one chemical reaction product - say one molecule of Cytosine for example. Remember, each specific chemical reaction product is dependent on the environment simulated in the experiment.

Again I ask how you get wet, dry (even with condensing agents), acid, alkaline, hot and cold in the same place at the same time? Sure, any one unlikely product (e.g amino acids not detected in Miller-Urey type experiments) can occur once in a long time in a specific environment - that you are correct about. However, you are missing the RATE of production of each required amino acid as well as SELECTION of said amino acid in a soup containing mostly Formic acid molecules.

An illustration is why you cannot get a tomato plant when you plant a carrot seed. You might get a different type of carrot but you will not get a tomato plant.

A more relevant example is the predicted chemical reaction product proportions in any specific chemical reaction in any given environment. Sure, any one product (one molecule) could end up in the results - but the larger the number of molecules involved, the more predictable the results are.

The predictability of any chemical reaction is due to the law of large numbers.

One more example: Chemical evolutionists admit that their synthesis results are dependent on the absence of free Oxygen. Again, that is really because of the law of large numbers. Any one atom can avoid the Oxygen atom - but the large number of atoms involved make that impossible.

Later I will post on one specific set of chemical reactions - that required for Cytosine synthesis.

The continuing problem faced by the supernatural creationists is that their religious literature ignores the very basic reality that there would be incalculable numbers of biochemical interactions occurring simultaneously over the course of billions of years.

The real question becomes why would the gods make illogical life so complex when supernatural creation has no need for such complexity?

Have the gods played a cruel joke on supernatural creationists?

There are no chemical reactions that are time based and that do different things with the same elements at different times like DNA does. You should also examine the fact that the same collection of elements can create an infinite and massively different assortment of life, yet non DNA based collections of elements always arrange in EXACTLY the same way. DNA also produces consciousness which can achieve further changes to the atoms such as leaving the solar system in the search for home. So keep shaking up your elements trying to from the most complicated code in the known universe. Really it's astounding how my atoms can be so bright and yours so dim, and all from the same stuff

What consciousness does DNA produce in plant based life?

Easy, chlorophyll producing plants are the base of the food chain that humans rely upon

I love dumb PHD's

Yes. Your earlier claim is utterly contradicted.

Not by the lack of information that you just relayed

Did you forget what you wrote?

Not at all, did you forget that the o/1's of a computer operating system have no meaning without the computer and vice versa.

Did you not know that biological organisms operate differently than computers?

Are you aware that all computers are created by DNA and as such can never be more powerful than their creator

And that the above includes the human being as well