American Women Are Giving Up on Marriage

[initforme]

Not necessarily.

Correct ifbone is making a big wage or they agree to squeak it by. It can be done, however nothing is ever going to get cheaper.

 

[Unkotare]

... or they agree to squeak it by. ...

Putting family first is not "squeaking by," it's setting priorities.

 

[initforme]

Putting family first is not "squeaking by," it's setting priorities.

True. But there may not be enough money to do anything fun, ever. If that's what 2 people want, a life with no fun so be it. For most they decide that's no way to live.

 

[Unkotare]

True. But there may not be enough money to do anything fun, ever. ....

Adults put the interests of their families ahead of "fun." What asinine, juvenile nonsense. Some people need to grow the **** up.

 

[initforme]

Adults put the interests of their families ahead of "fun." What asinine, juvenile nonsense. Some people need to grow the **** up.

Why so angry? Most adults fo put their families first. There's really no issues with this new young generation not taking care of their families.

 

[Unkotare]

Why so angry? Most adults fo put their families first. ...

You don't sound like one of them.

 

[initforme]

You don't sound like one of them.

Hmmm. I havev3 grown kids, 2 boys 1 girl. Between thev3 we have 1 grandchild. That's pretty darn good. They're all older and 1 is newly retired at 55. Newly divorced also good riddens to her he's so much better off.

 

[Correll]

Hmmm. I havev3 grown kids, 2 boys 1 girl. Between thev3 we have 1 grandchild. That's pretty darn good. They're all older and 1 is newly retired at 55. Newly divorced also good riddens to her he's so much better off.

We need national policies that make it easier for a better family structure to be in reach of more people.


MAGA is a good start on this, with limiting immigration and better trade policy.


But we need MORE. We have a lot of damage to undo.

 

[initforme]

We need national policies that make it easier for a better family structure to be in reach of more people.


MAGA is a good start on this, with limiting immigration and better trade policy.


But we need MORE. We have a lot of damage to undo.

It's going to take decades to reverse. The current trend is only going to skyrocket.

 

[Correll]

It's going to take decades to reverse. The current trend is only going to skyrocket.

The thing about this type of issue, is that we don't need to finish it, before we start getting postive feedback.

Step one. Immigration and trade policy to encourage better wages for American workers.

We don't need to wait "decades" till it is possible for an average worker to support a family of four. The moment the wages start to rise, it will make it easier and bettter for all the workers to do everything.


Sure, maybe at year 3, we won't see much movement on how many stay at home moms we have. But we might see an uptick in how many moms are PART TIME as opposed to FULL TIME, with that leading to benefits adn better homelifes for children almost immediately.

 

[initforme]

The thing about this type of issue, is that we don't need to finish it, before we start getting postive feedback.

Step one. Immigration and trade policy to encourage better wages for American workers.

We don't need to wait "decades" till it is possible for an average worker to support a family of four. The moment the wages start to rise, it will make it easier and bettter for all the workers to do everything.


Sure, maybe at year 3, we won't see much movement on how many stay at home moms we have. But we might see an uptick in how many moms are PART TIME as opposed to FULL TIME, with that leading to benefits adn better homelifes for children almost immediately.

Wages will need to rise BIGLY, like huge, for this to happen. People want more than squeaking by. The numbers of 2 full time income households is going to rise. The price of things in general isn't going down. If we want people to raise one kid and save for retirement, unless one parent is making a whopper of a wage, 2 incomes will be necessary with many foregoing families.

 

[Correll]

Wages will need to rise BIGLY, like huge, for this to happen. People want more than squeaking by. The numbers of 2 full time income households is going to rise. The price of things in general isn't going down. If we want people to raise one kid and save for retirement, unless one parent is making a whopper of a wage, 2 incomes will be necessary with many foregoing families.

No, they won't. A SMALL rise can and will make a big difference. I have seen in my own life.


If you are working and surviving paycheck to paycheck, and you suddenly are making just a few dollars an hour more, that it a massive change. Becuase it is FINALLY, DISPOSABLE INCOME.


Maybe you can save up and have an emergency fund. Maybe you can afford to help out your mother when she needs it. Maybe you can just feel more secure.

And for some, maybe it means that your wife can go part time and your child is mostly raised by YOU instead of strangers at the daycare.

 

[initforme]

No, they won't. A SMALL rise can and will make a big difference. I have seen in my own life.


If you are working and surviving paycheck to paycheck, and you suddenly are making just a few dollars an hour more, that it a massive change. Becuase it is FINALLY, DISPOSABLE INCOME.


Maybe you can save up and have an emergency fund. Maybe you can afford to help out your mother when she needs it. Maybe you can just feel more secure.

And for some, maybe it means that your wife can go part time and your child is mostly raised by YOU instead of strangers at the daycare.

Maybe for a few. The trend of foregoing kids or even not getting married is going to rise. That's not a troubling thing, just a change. Why some get upset about it is puzzling. It's not the nation's business what young people decide to do. It's called freedom.

 

[Blaster]

There are not that many women that are good marriage material. Any woman that spends most of her time taking selfies should be avoided.

 

[Unkotare]

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We don't need to wait "decades" till it is possible for an average worker to support a family of four. ...

I'm an average worker supporting a family of four right now.

 

[Correll]

Maybe for a few.

To start. And that will prove the concept. So we can then double down on pushing for it.

The trend of foregoing kids or even not getting married is going to rise.

I actually think not for much longer. THe ideas that led to this, ie feminsm and anti-male sexism, have been defeated in the contest of ideas. As we get over them and move on, their impact should DECREASE with time, and people can get back to healthier societies and culture.

That's not a troubling thing, just a change

Why some get upset about it is puzzling. It's not the nation's business what young people decide to do. It's called freedom.

That is a... blind answer. It ignores many of the factors of the issue.


1. The vast majority of men and women, WANT to find partners and have families. To the extent that this trend is a failure of people that WANT families to HAVE families, this is a massive harm to millions of individuals who will have less fullfilled lives and decreased happiness becuase of it.



2. A culture with decreasing numbers is a dying culture. NO way we are looking upward and onwards if our population is crashing.


3. We are in a world where poorer and less advanced cultures are still breeding pretty well. THis means that the world as a whole is moving away from us and towards a more regressive and shitty world. That is not good.

 

[Correll]

I'm an average worker supporting a family of four right now.

That's pretty impressive. YOu sure you are "average"?

 

[Concerned American]

For sure everybody isn't cut out for marriage. Everybody isn't capable of choosing wisely and/or sustaining a lifetime relationship

At the same time I believe there is somebody for everyone who truly wants a life mate and is at all willing to meet another person half way or more.

The best marriages have their ups and downs. I have been happily married--most of the time--to the same guy for many decades now. I say most of the time because there are times that simply are not happy.

But people in good marriages are able to work through those times and emerge happy again. And they do not bring unrealistic expectations to a marriage and understand that what you see on television or in the movies is not always the way it is going to be. And sometimes despite the best efforts of both parties, the marriage just cannot be sustained and it is necessary to separate.

But when you find your lifelong soul mate, together we provide a stability and role models for our children that is almost always beneficial. We build a history together, help each other, have each others' backs, and have a reliable witness to our lives that is priceless.

For my husband and me it has been worth it despite the many difficult times--medically, financially, emotionally, etc.

Life, marriage and relationships are like the weather--not always sunny, but it helps to have someone to share an umbrella with when it rains.

 

[Unkotare]

That's pretty impressive. YOu sure you are "average"?

If that.

 

[Correll]

If that.

Fair enough.

I still want policy to make it easier.