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But there are International Laws that prevent countries from invading other countries. We are a rogue state because we do not care what the rest of the world says. We do as we say and what we say goes.
That is a dangerous toy and the wrong man is in charge of that now. In fact we have been steered in the wrong direction for decades, so my contention is that it is not the president that actually calls the shots. The Banks, the Pentagon, the CIA, and the military industrial complex pretty much steer policy. Lobbies for the big industries also control our legislative branches.
This is a fiefdom.
The witness was the neice of the ambassador. It was a fix. She lied for the Kuwaiti royal family.
Why did Saddam invade Kuwait? Do you know? Because of an ongoing border disagreement. Kuwait believed that they owned a larger patch of land than Saddam was contending. I don't know who is right or wrong on that, but the two countries had been claiming and reclaiming that land for years, sometimes militarily.
Saddam was doing what he always did, forcibily taking back what he believed was his. I don't condone Saddam. He was a monster and I am glad he is dead. But his death left his country in a vacuum because we had no contingency plan. We destroyed the infrastructure and now we are hostile occupiers.
So Saddam was demonized - The Kuwaiti's had a royal family member lie to Congress, Bush declared Saddam a demon and we wen to war without UN approval.
But not of a man who has seen, read, and heard enough in his life to realize what is happening?
What do you call the West Bank and the Gaza strip? These vets are brainwashed. They believe anything the Commander in Chief tells them because that is what the military conditioned them to do.
Smarten up dude.
The witness was the neice of the ambassador. It was a fix. She lied for the Kuwaiti royal family.
Why did Saddam invade Kuwait? Do you know? Because of an ongoing border disagreement. Kuwait believed that they owned a larger patch of land than Saddam was contending. I don't know who is right or wrong on that, but the two countries had been claiming and reclaiming that land for years, sometimes militarily.
Saddam was doing what he always did, forcibily taking back what he believed was his. I don't condone Saddam. He was a monster and I am glad he is dead. But his death left his country in a vacuum because we had no contingency plan. We destroyed the infrastructure and now we are hostile occupiers.
So Saddam was demonized - The Kuwaiti's had a royal family member lie to Congress, Bush declared Saddam a demon and we wen to war without UN approval.
No...that is incorrect. You are accepting the Iraqi propaganda the Iraqis put out right after the invasion. There is a book you need to read, written by Middle Easterners, Saddam: A Political Biography. The research shows that it had nothing to do with borders, it had everything to do with money. Kuwait loaned Saddam over six billion dollars to finance his war against Iran. When the war was over he felt since his nation had provided the blood in stopping the Ayatollah from taking over the Gulf and the Gulf states should provide the treasure. He wanted Kuwait to forgive the loan. Not only did Kuwait say no, but they depressed the world price of oil which made it harder for Iraq to rise the funds to pay off the debt. Saddam went nuts and basically decided to rob the bank that give him the loan. So the border stuff is just a ruse that is now often mindlessly repeated.Why did Saddam invade Kuwait? Do you know? Because of an ongoing border disagreement.
No...that is incorrect. You are accepting the Iraqi propaganda the Iraqis put out right after the invasion. There is a book you need to read, written by Middle Easterners, Saddam: A Political Biography. The research shows that it had nothing to do with borders, it had everything to do with money. Kuwait loaned Saddam over six billion dollars to finance his war against Iran. When the war was over he felt since his nation had provided the blood in stopping the Ayatollah from taking over the Gulf and the Gulf states should provide the treasure. He wanted Kuwait to forgive the loan. Not only did Kuwait say no, but they depressed the world price of oil which made it harder for Iraq to rise the funds to pay off the debt. Saddam went nuts and basically decided to rob the bank that give him the loan. So the border stuff is just a ruse that is now often mindlessly repeated.
With friends like the Kuwaitis, who needs enemies...
Point, but a separate issue in and of itself.
What do you know about the Kuwaitis? Have you ever met a Kuwaiti, have you been there? I have on both cases. Americans trapped in Kuwait City were protected by Kuwaitis, they provided important Intel and many Kuwaitis resisted the invasion at the great risk. I'd sit and eat a meal with a Kuwaiti any day of the week and am happy to have several as a friends.With friends like the Kuwaitis, who needs enemies...
What do you know about the Kuwaitis? Have you ever met a Kuwaiti, have you been there? I have on both cases. Americans trapped in Kuwait City were protected by Kuwaitis, they provided important Intel and many Kuwaitis resisted the invasion at the great risk. I'd sit and eat a meal with a Kuwaiti any day of the week and am happy to have several as a friends.
I know. People sometimes forget Saddam was the West's pitbull..under he outlived his usefulness...Or that the Kuwait/Iraq thang was about one big dictator taking on a little dictator...
What do you know about the Kuwaitis? Have you ever met a Kuwaiti, have you been there? I have on both cases. Americans trapped in Kuwait City were protected by Kuwaitis, they provided important Intel and many Kuwaitis resisted the invasion at the great risk. I'd sit and eat a meal with a Kuwaiti any day of the week and am happy to have several as a friends.
C'mon now. Grump ... keep up. We just went through that for a couple of pages. I wouldn't say he was our pitbull, but so long as he was beating on Iran might as well try to help him out.
As the MasterChief pointed out, that was fine until he invaded Kuwait and the situation changed. Once the situation changed, it's only right that we changed as well.
I personally don't know why some act like we were bed-buddies with him while others act like we never gave him a dime. Fact is, he was doing beating up on someone we wanted beat up so we gave him some support. When he went against our interests, we supported what was in our best interest. Common sense.
Absolutely. You know this. I know this. Politically nobody can say so though because it would go against the "perception" of America being the good guy. So we have to live this little game whereby the politicos pretend it was about something it wasn't etc, etc, which leads to breeding of urban myths and conspiracy theories. Wonder how the public would react if Bush Snr had actually come out and said "Hey, the world oil prices are fucked with this invasion and it is gonna impact on all world economies. We gave this dipshit a helping hand to fight an Islamic state that put egg on our faces a few years back, but now he's gonna stuff it up for everybody so we're gonna kick is butt". See, I could live with that. Honest and open. People can then make their decisions from there. Of course it would give all the peaceniks ammo, but at least it would be a better starting point IMO...
I really wasn't aware it was believed any differently except by political hacks. We supported Saddam during the Iran-Iraq War. That is fact. We opposed Saddam's invasion of Kuwait because it got all the people that sell us oil upset and he was a threat to our interests in the region.
I have no problem with that and in each case, I believe we did the right thing.
Morally you did the right thing by the Kuwaiti people, but what it does bring up is where do you draw the line with regard to peoples' perception of you? I know most military personal don't really give a shit about what hte world things about the US, but a lot of people do
I don't care what "the world" thinks because all too often "the world" demands, whines and cries (tsunamis come to mind) "what's the US going to do?" but don't DARE let us want something or try to do something on our own. Then we're just "immoral cowboys, warmongerers, etc).
Since removing Saddam from Kuwait was a UN endorsed action, and supported by most Arab states, I would think the workd's perception really should reflect just that.
Very true prior to the war, but afterwards they had to liberal up things. And it was very hard for them to say "no" to women asking for more equality when they had fought to liberate the country.While I agree with you mostly, I have to draw the line with the royals. I never cared too much for them, but I can say the same for the royals in all Arab nations.
