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Old goose, as usual you're off subject, but what do you expect from an old rabid goose, thanks for the bump though...
Right wing propaganda. Creating a fake boogeyman.
Dear lefties, calm down. Hate to take more drastic action to defend my family.Just like we all know the left is what they call everyone else. They say were violent but look who's beating people, burning, rioting, and acting just like fascists pricks...
LETTER TO THE AMERICAN LEFT: ANTIFA IS NOT YOUR FRIEND
TUE, 2/28/2017 - BY NICHOLAS GOROFF
Though to many they may seem to be revolutionaries, primed to take the fight against whatever variety of perceived fascism, the self-proclaimed anti-fascists of “Antifa” are a millstone around the neck of the political left and possibly a greater danger to progressive and liberal values than even Donald Trump himself.
To be certain, while it may inspire a guttural cheer to see a white nationalist crackpot like Richard Spencer belted across the face, and may feel as though our nation stands on the cusp of revolution as swarms of black clad young people burn property and charge police lines, the net effects of these actions, both real and potential, must not be embraced as resistance mounts to Trump and rightwing populism throughout the West. Why not, you ask?
The reasons are a mix of the pragmatic and philosophical. For starters, through their wanton destruction and rioting, as well as unbridled enthusiasm for vandalism and violence, Antifa and their black bloc tactics are in many ways an outright gift to those who advocate for a police state. As their presence has become a standard affair at demonstrations and protest rallies, their particular version of “radical activism,” replete with its threats of violent insurrection and assaults on civilian bystanders, give the domestic security apparatus and its supporters perfect justification for increased surveillance and a crackdown on political speech.
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Your argument can best be summed up this way...
The Rise of the Violent Left
Antifa’s activists say they’re battling burgeoning authoritarianism on the American right. Are they fueling it instead?
Since 1907, portland, oregon, has hosted an annual Rose Festival. Since 2007, the festival had included a parade down 82nd Avenue. Since 2013, the Republican Party of Multnomah County, which includes Portland, had taken part. This April, all of that changed.
In the days leading up to the planned parade, a group called the Direct Action Alliance declared, “Fascists plan to march through the streets,” and warned, “Nazis will not march through Portland unopposed.” The alliance said it didn’t object to the Multnomah GOP itself, but to “fascists” who planned to infiltrate its ranks. Yet it also denounced marchers with “Trump flags” and “red maga hats” who could “normalize support for an orange man who bragged about sexually harassing women and who is waging a war of hate, racism and prejudice.” A second group, Oregon Students Empowered, created a Facebook page called “Shut down fascism! No nazis in Portland!”
Next, the parade’s organizers received an anonymous email warning that if “Trump supporters” and others who promote “hateful rhetoric” marched, “we will have two hundred or more people rush into the parade … and drag and push those people out.” When Portland police said they lacked the resources to provide adequate security, the organizers canceled the parade. It was a sign of things to come.
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The violence is not directed only at avowed racists like Spencer: In June of last year, demonstrators—at least some of whom were associated with antifa—punched and threw eggs at people exiting a Trump rally in San Jose, California. An article in It’s Going Down celebrated the “righteous beatings.”
An antifascist demonstrator burns a Blue Lives Matter flag during a protest in Portland, Oregon, in June.
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A similar cycle has played out at UC Berkeley. In February, masked antifascists broke store windows and hurled Molotov cocktails and rocks at police during a rally against the planned speech by Yiannopoulos. After the university canceled the speech out of what it called “concern for public safety,” white nationalists announced a “March on Berkeley” in support of “free speech.” At that rally, a 41-year-old man named Kyle Chapman, who was wearing a baseball helmet, ski goggles, shin guards, and a mask, smashed an antifa activist over the head with a wooden post. Suddenly, Trump supporters had a viral video of their own. A far-right crowdfunding site soon raised more than $80,000 for Chapman’s legal defense. (In January, the same site had offered a substantial reward for the identity of the antifascist who had punched Spencer.) A politicized fight culture is emerging, fueled by cheerleaders on both sides. As James Anderson, an editor at It’s Going Down, told Vice, “This shit is fun.”
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The Rise of the Violent Left
You listen to the southern poverty law center B/S propaganda, your brain washed/rabid. Hamas, plo, quds force, etc, etc also do community service. A lot of what you got there is fake news...It is understandable the right is trying to demonize the ANTIFA movement. It takes attention away from the violence of the alt-right. The two movements are not comparable at all. The alt-right is responsible for almost all the political violence in the country, the left is responsible for just 2% of it.
Right-wing extremists commit nearly all political violence in America.ANTIFA also performs community services. When have you ever said that about the KKK?
A recent study from the Anti-Defamation League finds nearly all political violence in the United States over the last decade has been carried out by right-wing terrorists. Between 2007 and 2016, there were at least 372 politically motivated murders, 74 percent of which were committed by right-wing extremists. Islamic extremists committed 24 percent of those murders, while left-wing militants were responsible for 2 percent. Every murder is a tragedy, but as the numbers show, it’s ridiculous to pretend that left-wing violence and right-wing violence deserve equal concern. Going back to a 2015 law enforcement study, we’ve known that right-wing terrorists pose a far greater threat to this country than any other political group.
Community service is part of the mission of antifa.
The Panthers served free breakfast to schoolchildren, along with 60 other community programs including health care clinics and free legal aid. Antifa groups like the Redneck Revolution run “food programs, community gardens, clothing programs, and needle exchanges in addition to their armed self-defense programs.”
Black Lives Matter and antifa groups were both on the ground during Hurricane Harvey handing out food and supplies to survivors. At the Boston anti-Nazi rally, members of BLM escorted white nationalists through the crowd to ensure their safety.
It would be absurd to pretend members of antifa don’t engage in violence. But when was the last time you heard about the Klan handing out food to poor people or the alt-right setting up education programs for at-risk kids? You haven’t, ever, and if you decide to wait for such an event to take place, you should probably get your affairs in order first.
All you got are ad hominems, because you certainly cannot prove ANTIFA was not handing out food to Harvey victims or that it is the alt-right that is responsible for most of the political violence in the country. You have to go back to the Vietnam protests to find violence by the left, equivalent to the this.You listen to the southern poverty law center B/S propaganda, your brain washed/rabid. Hamas, plo, quds force, etc, etc also do community service. A lot of what you got there is fake news...
I don't know what you're watching but the antifa folks win the violence award by a long shot. Idiots like the klan and neonazis have been holding rallies for 50 years with the result of 99.5% of people just laughing at them. Every single time antifa shows up there is violence, every single time. If there is no one there to attack they will smash windows and burn stuff. The morons can't seem to understand that they are giving the klan and nazis exactly what they want, attention.All you got are ad hominems, because you certainly cannot prove ANTIFA was not handing out food to Harvey victims or that it is the alt-right that is responsible for most of the political violence in the country. You have to go back to the Vietnam protests to find violence by the left, equivalent to the this.You listen to the southern poverty law center B/S propaganda, your brain washed/rabid. Hamas, plo, quds force, etc, etc also do community service. A lot of what you got there is fake news...
So you're defending the klan and white supremacy?I don't know what you're watching but the antifa folks win the violence award by a long shot. Idiots like the klan and neonazis have been holding rallies for 50 years with the result of 99.5% of people just laughing at them. Every single time antifa shows up there is violence, every single time. If there is no one there to attack they will smash windows and burn stuff. The morons can't seem to understand that they are giving the klan and nazis exactly what they want, attention.
Yeesh. That you can get that from my post tells me one thing, you are a sorry leftwing twit. Typical. I tell you that the klan and neonazis are idiots and that we have been laughing at their idiocy for 50 years and you tell me I'm defending them. Now follow that up with the rest of the left wing buzzwords. Let me guess, right now you're jumping up and down in your living room (OK probably your parents basement) screaming "fuck you, racism, patriarchy,sexism, fascism" and you're wearing a ninja turtle outfit feeling really confident, to the point you might actually ask a girl out on a date. Dreaming of being a tough guy like your antifa(ninja turtles) heros and pepper spraying a 70 year old woman in the face and then running away.So you're defending the klan and white supremacy?I don't know what you're watching but the antifa folks win the violence award by a long shot. Idiots like the klan and neonazis have been holding rallies for 50 years with the result of 99.5% of people just laughing at them. Every single time antifa shows up there is violence, every single time. If there is no one there to attack they will smash windows and burn stuff. The morons can't seem to understand that they are giving the klan and nazis exactly what they want, attention.