American kids are the dumbest in the world yet liberals support the status quo..????

[Too Tall]

I agree with you...This society must become one that values personal advancement or we're in deep shit.

actually to advance we need more capitalism and less liberalism.

Using your "logic", Liberals (Obama administration) bailed out many of the Capitalists (banks, GM) and they are making more money than they've ever done...could it possibly be a bit more complicated than your simplistic theories can account for?

Where do you fit in this series of polls?

In numerous polls, the public has voiced their displeasure at the much maligned bank bailout, but most don't know which president signed the controversial act into law. Only a third of Americans (34%) correctly say the Troubled Asset Relief Program (TARP) was enacted by the Bush administration. Nearly half (47%) incorrectly believe TARP was passed under President Obama. Another 19% admit they do not know which president signed the bank bailout into law. Notably, there is no partisan divide on the question. Just 36% of Republicans, 35% of independents and 34% of Democrats know that the government bailout of banks and financial institutions was signed into law by former President Bush. And Democrats (46%) are just as likely as Republicans (50%) to say TARP was passed under Obama.

 

[4Horsemen]

The idea of 'public' education is inherently flawed, but American students are certainly not "the dumbest in the world."


And I note yet again that students from some countries with which Amercan education is so unfavorably compared are literally clamoring to come here to study.

many come for the private college and university system but none that I know of come for the liberal commie crap rated public education system

Huge and growing numbers come to attend high school and, increasingly, Jr high or earlier grades.

Now, it turns out that it is very difficult for an international student to enroll as a full-time student in a public school here (not impossible, and some do, but it's a long and expensive story). Therefore, the vast majority attend private schools, including Catholic schools which are not terribly expensive. However, if it were more possible a large portion of these students would in fact attend our public Jr and Senior high schools. These are just the facts, aside from questions about the quality of said schools.

LIES. Most of them come as young as kindercare. MOST of them. It's not even cost effective for them to come in Jr.High/School when they can't even speak lick of English.

I can take you to a couple elementary's in my city that are 90% Asian. So your 'facts' are flawed.

congrats

 

[Unkotare]

The idea of 'public' education is inherently flawed, but American students are certainly not "the dumbest in the world."


And I note yet again that students from some countries with which Amercan education is so unfavorably compared are literally clamoring to come here to study.

many come for the private college and university system but none that I know of come for the liberal commie crap rated public education system

You are correct. they don't come for the Public Fool System brand of education that your kids and mine get, they wouldnt survive a week.

Instead they come for the special kind that "ramps them up". the kind where the teachers are on call to those foreign parents 24/7 via email, telephone and cell phone to help them "get it"

The kind where they can get financial assistance the minute they arrive to America in the form of gigantic loans for homes, businesses, cars, etc...to entice them to move here.

How else do you think they can integrate into our society so fast? they are given the keys to the Kingdom, that's how.

Think about it, if you moved to China tomorrow, your kids couldn't go the regular chinese schools, you would have to attend one that has an American Immersion program in it.,with translators and help-aids to make your transition into Chinese culture easier. Same in America. they don't come over here knowing fluent English. Especially the kids.

Which is why you'll never see a school in those mostly gated areas going on strike. They get paid TOP DOLLAR to teach those foreign kids and make sure they get ramped up. If they went on strike like the other ones, that would lead to distractions and discouraging those people from coming to America and taking advantage of the American Dream.

Needless to say, all that is complete nonsense.

You have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you paranoid freak. You need professional help.

 

[tjvh]

We are 14th. Not the dumbest, but places like Canada, the uk, Australia, and every major Asian nation are kicking are butts.

But we sure do own some really neat stuff.

 

[Unkotare]

many come for the private college and university system but none that I know of come for the liberal commie crap rated public education system

Huge and growing numbers come to attend high school and, increasingly, Jr high or earlier grades.

Now, it turns out that it is very difficult for an international student to enroll as a full-time student in a public school here (not impossible, and some do, but it's a long and expensive story). Therefore, the vast majority attend private schools, including Catholic schools which are not terribly expensive. However, if it were more possible a large portion of these students would in fact attend our public Jr and Senior high schools. These are just the facts, aside from questions about the quality of said schools.

LIES. Most of them come as young as kindercare. MOST of them. It's not even cost effective for them to come in Jr.High/School when they can't even speak lick of English.

I can take you to a couple elementary's in my city that are 90% Asian. So your 'facts' are flawed.

congrats

You have no idea what you are talking about, you ignorant, paranoid freak. You are wrong and you are mentally ill. You are confusing things you don't understand.

 

[4Horsemen]

Huge and growing numbers come to attend high school and, increasingly, Jr high or earlier grades.

Now, it turns out that it is very difficult for an international student to enroll as a full-time student in a public school here (not impossible, and some do, but it's a long and expensive story). Therefore, the vast majority attend private schools, including Catholic schools which are not terribly expensive. However, if it were more possible a large portion of these students would in fact attend our public Jr and Senior high schools. These are just the facts, aside from questions about the quality of said schools.

LIES. Most of them come as young as kindercare. MOST of them. It's not even cost effective for them to come in Jr.High/School when they can't even speak lick of English.

I can take you to a couple elementary's in my city that are 90% Asian. So your 'facts' are flawed.

congrats

You have no idea what you are talking about, you ignorant, paranoid freak. You are wrong and you are mentally ill. You are confusing things you don't understand.

^Here we have another ignorant gooftard in America that has NO CLUE about the impact foreigners have on the American economy and housing market.

All they know is ignorance and nonsense that is splashed on the screen by PNN and Foxy Snewz.

Their^ type of the Jim Crow ignorance is the most dangerous kind because they don't realize that others are equally to blame for the crash. they just point fingers in one direction.

 

[blimpo]

No, I see no conflict in acknowledging that if teachers are trying to convince students that there is no god, and that queers are normal, and that everyone has the same mental/physical ability, then they do not have as much time to teach reading, writing, and math.

I would say the same thing if teachers were spending time convincing students that there is only one god and they should hate queers, and that Aryans are a superior race: Their JOB IS TO TEACH ACADEMICS, not socialization.

Teachers I have witnessed over the years try, and I say try (fighting the distractions and other things that go on in society and schools) to TEACH ACADEMICS.

As I stated in another post, a few issues make the news and suddenly all teachers are guilty of the same. Hundreds of thousands taught today and we heard about 3 or 4 doing something wrong.
As I stated, it's a flippin' epidemic !

Ironic that you mention, "fighting the distractions and other things that go on in society and schools."

What you have described is exactly what segregationists predicted would happen if schools were desegregated.....

I guess it all goes back to Plessy vs Ferguson

If you are advocating the positives of segragation, I guess there might have been possibilities we would have found some benefit (in theory maybe).

But the problem, as you know, was that separate but equal was always separate but seldom equal.
If races did agree to separation, who would be the umpire to judge equal?
What if both were equal, but one race contributed the majority of funding for all schools, would they have a valid complaint? I just don't see a way it could have been done to be fair to all concerned. With all being citizens with rights, desegragation was the only just way to go.

Interesting senario you bring here. I assume you're not promoting segragation, but an interesting viewpoint. Who knows, if done fairly, we might not be in the situation we find ourselves in today..

 

[EdwardBaiamonte]

I can take you to a couple elementary's in my city that are 90% Asian. So your 'facts' are flawed.

many schools in China are 7 days a week, plus tutoring, plus working late into the night. CNN did a special about how in South Korea they have a special police force dedicated to catching kids who study past 1:00AM because even they now think there ought to be limits.

If a Chinese parent wanted to trade that for a American public schools it would only be to teach their kids to be liberal illiterate goof offs like our kids!!

 

[blimpo]

I can take you to a couple elementary's in my city that are 90% Asian. So your 'facts' are flawed.

many schools in China are 7 days a week, plus tutoring, plus working late into the night. CNN did a special about how in South Korea they have a special police force dedicated to catching kids who study past 1:00AM because even they now think there ought to be limits.

If a Chinese parent wanted to trade that for a American public schools it would only be to teach their kids to be liberal illiterate goof offs like our kids!!

I've probably spent more years in schools than you and I can tell you in full honesty liberals don't have a corner on only their kids being illiterate goof offs. They are across the board on that one.
And it depends what you mean by goofing off. Many kids will tell you texting constantly, posting on Facebook, living in chatrooms, and talking on cellphones is not goofing off. It is their job...
Why be concerned with who is liberal or conservative, studying, or reading a book when you are 12 years old and have the whole social world at your fingertips.

BTW- Unlike this forum, kids aren't political. They couldn't tell a liberal from a conservative and the worst part is, they don't care. It would be an improvement if they did.
If it's not in their glorious social world it is ignored.

 

[Unkotare]

LIES. Most of them come as young as kindercare. MOST of them. It's not even cost effective for them to come in Jr.High/School when they can't even speak lick of English.

I can take you to a couple elementary's in my city that are 90% Asian. So your 'facts' are flawed.

congrats

You have no idea what you are talking about, you ignorant, paranoid freak. You are wrong and you are mentally ill. You are confusing things you don't understand.

^Here we have another ignorant gooftard in America that has NO CLUE about the impact foreigners have on the American economy and housing market.

All they know is ignorance and nonsense that is splashed on the screen by PNN and Foxy Snewz.

Their^ type of the Jim Crow ignorance is the most dangerous kind because they don't realize that others are equally to blame for the crash. they just point fingers in one direction.

I have worked for almost 20 years with immigrants of all sorts, and international students in particular. YOU have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you paranoid freak.

 

[4Horsemen]

I can take you to a couple elementary's in my city that are 90% Asian. So your 'facts' are flawed.

many schools in China are 7 days a week, plus tutoring, plus working late into the night. CNN did a special about how in South Korea they have a special police force dedicated to catching kids who study past 1:00AM because even they now think there ought to be limits.

If a Chinese parent wanted to trade that for a American public schools it would only be to teach their kids to be liberal illiterate goof offs like our kids!!

Nonsense. they want and love the American Dream. they desire it. they come here in droves daily. the percentage that stay in China, do jus that, Stay in China.

The ones that come here are afforded the privilidge of strict, safe, undistracted education in America aka gated communities with safer schools.. So they are allowed to "buck the line" at the Banks and are given the Keys to the Kingdom, in the form of massive loans so they can live in the high end areas of America and continue with their customs of strict learning techniques.

It's not hard to tell you just have to see outside the pine box that the American spin machine is promoting.

If our American kids were treated with the same kit gloves as we treat foreigners who move here from Japan, Turkey, Greece, etc.. our parents/kids would have the same strict standards of learning. the playing field is not level.

And It's by design.

 

[4Horsemen]

You have no idea what you are talking about, you ignorant, paranoid freak. You are wrong and you are mentally ill. You are confusing things you don't understand.

^Here we have another ignorant gooftard in America that has NO CLUE about the impact foreigners have on the American economy and housing market.

All they know is ignorance and nonsense that is splashed on the screen by PNN and Foxy Snewz.

Their^ type of the Jim Crow ignorance is the most dangerous kind because they don't realize that others are equally to blame for the crash. they just point fingers in one direction.

I have worked for almost 20 years with immigrants of all sorts, and international students in particular. YOU have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you paranoid freak.

If that were the case, then you would know exactly what I'm talking about. YOU are just an ignorant troll on the web. nothing more. your last 10 posts to me have been insults and not one morsel of insight. so go fuck a tree stump. troll.

 

[Unkotare]

If a Chinese parent wanted to trade that for a American public schools it would only be to teach their kids to be liberal illiterate goof offs like our kids!!

Very, very, very many Chinese parents with the means are extremely eager to have their sons and daughters study in the US. More and more international students from China are coming here to study every year.

 

[Unkotare]

^Here we have another ignorant gooftard in America that has NO CLUE about the impact foreigners have on the American economy and housing market.

All they know is ignorance and nonsense that is splashed on the screen by PNN and Foxy Snewz.

Their^ type of the Jim Crow ignorance is the most dangerous kind because they don't realize that others are equally to blame for the crash. they just point fingers in one direction.

I have worked for almost 20 years with immigrants of all sorts, and international students in particular. YOU have absolutely no idea what you are talking about, you paranoid freak.

If that were the case, then you would know exactly what I'm talking about.

There is no "if" about it. I know exactly that YOU know NOTHING about the experiences of immigrants to this country or about education and international students. You are just some sad headcase who came here looking for a platform to shout idiotic, paranoid conspiracy nonsense.

 

[Unkotare]

The ones that come here are afforded the privilidge[sic] of strict, safe, undistracted education in America aka gated communities with safer schools.. So they are allowed to "buck the line" at the Banks and are given the Keys to the Kingdom,

No, you idiot, they have the "privilege" of hard work and self-sacrifice. Often they enjoy the benefit of supportive families and communities. Many with the means to come here have something increasingly rare in the US: Good credit.

However, despite your asisnine conspiracy theory, not all immigrants (even *gasp* from Asia) come here with the advantage of financial security or strong family support. If you stopped peeking in windows in affluent neighborhoods you might notice that in many poor urban neighborhoods there are communities of immigrants from SEA who are suffering the ill effects of poverty that everyone else does under those circumstances.

Often, students from SEA who may not enjoy strong financial and/or familial support suffer from unrealistic expectations stemming from the myth of the model minority in education.

YOU, headcase, haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Go spew your ignorant, conspiracy-theory nonsense somewhere else.

 

[4Horsemen]

The ones that come here are afforded the privilidge[sic] of strict, safe, undistracted education in America aka gated communities with safer schools.. So they are allowed to "buck the line" at the Banks and are given the Keys to the Kingdom,

No, you idiot, they have the "privilege" of hard work and self-sacrifice. Often they enjoy the benefit of supportive families and communities. Many with the means to come here have something increasingly rare in the US: Good credit.

However, despite your asisnine conspiracy theory, not all immigrants (even *gasp* from Asia) come here with the advantage of financial security or strong family support. If you stopped peeking in windows in affluent neighborhoods you might notice that in many poor urban neighborhoods there are communities of immigrants from SEA who are suffering the ill effects of poverty that everyone else does under those circumstances.

Often, students from SEA who may not enjoy strong financial and/or familial support suffer from unrealistic expectations stemming from the myth of the model minority in education.

YOU, headcase, haven't the slightest idea what you are talking about. Go spew your ignorant, conspiracy-theory nonsense somewhere else.

^This is the ignorant bullshit they push across the TV screen.. and without a blip in the matrix, you regurgitate EXACTLY what you were indoctrinated to do. Hate yourself, your country and your fellow countrymen.

How the fuck they got "good credit" IN AMERICA, and they all the fucking way in China working with the Yuon? you moron!!! DO YOU HAVE GOOD CREDIT IN CHINA??? IDIOT! HELL NO YOU DON'T

Their credit ratings don't translate over here, stupid. and 9 outta 10 Japanese ain't rich like that to have good credit when they land on American soil, so what do they do...BORROW...BORROW...BORROW...from American Banks, WITH/or WITHOUT a gotdamn credit ratings. That's what you don't understand. The Banks are eager to lend to them, sight unseen, fresh outta Thailand, quicker than loaning to Americans, and we live here! WHY? NEW ACCOUNTS. that's why. Learn something about Banking before you bring your dumpster knowledge around ME. I know better. and I know what's causing the collapse and it ain't JUST AMERICANS running up some gotdamn credit cards and welfare.

 

[thanatos144]

Okay if american schools are so good why do we rate so low in the industrialized world? If money equaled good education our kids should all be fucking Mensa geniuses. I had to explain to my 16 year old step son what a communist was......What do we hear when we bring up short falls in our education and the teachers we PAY to educate???? "its the parents fault!" Like all progressives they pass the blame.

 

[Unkotare]

^This is the ignorant bullshit they push across the TV screen..

I know - probably better than anyone else here - about immigration and international education. YOU are just another ignorant headcase spewing stupid conspiracy theories.

 

[Unkotare]

How the fuck they got "good credit" IN AMERICA, and they all the fucking way in China working with the Yuon[sic]? you moron!!! DO YOU HAVE GOOD CREDIT IN CHINA??? IDIOT! HELL NO YOU DON'T

Their credit ratings don't translate over here, stupid. and 9 outta 10 Japanese ain't rich like that to have good credit when they land on American soil, so what do they do...

Hey, stupid, when you have a large bank account, a high-paying job and are sponsored by a large multinational corporation, banks consider you (or your company) a good loan risk. If I have a large bank account and the backing of a large multinational corporation sponsoring me to work in China I will be treated accordingly (there are different types of visa status in China and the personal credit rating doesn't really translate exactly).

You are confusing all sorts of different immigrant experiences. If you see 'wealthy' Japanese citizens in the US, they are probably here for a limited amount of time on an H-1b visa, having been transferred by the large multinational they work for back in Japan. Some may be visiting scholars or artists. The large houses you keep peeping into are most likely most often those of US CITIZENS who are 2nd or 3rd generation and have achieved success through hard work and self-sacrifice. If you go to a private high school and see a bunch of Korean students, they are most likely here on student visas and living away from their parents and working towards a very specific goal under rather specific expectations. Nonetheless, they are still kids and will do a lot of the ill-considered things that American kids do when circumstances allow. If you notice 'ethnic group X' running a nice restaurant, it was probably financed by generations of one family, or a community, pooling all their resources to work together, sacrifice, and make the most of opportunity found in the US. If you go to an inner-city public school and see a bunch of 'Asian' kids, they are most likely the children of actual immigrants, most likely Khmer speakers, and most likely trying to get by under trying financial circumstances (as well as other challenges).

There is no monolithic immigrant experience, and no grand conspiracy that can justify your prejudice and paranoia, you freak.

 

[Unkotare]

Okay if american schools are so good .

Public school in America could be great - if it weren't public.