American kids are the dumbest in the world yet liberals support the status quo..????

Not another subject, rather that something like 'Critical Thinking' lends itself particularly well to becoming just a platform for a teacher to present his or her personal views under the guise of the subject itself. I've seen it happen. It takes conscientious, ethical, disciplined teachers who are honest and self-aware to avoid allowing a subject like that to slide into an excuse for pontificating before a captive audience. That, I suppose, is what some people are wary of.
Teachers could do that with any subject, history, English, PE, health, whatever. Is there any reason Texas cannot trust its teachers?


That's exactly the problem, and not just in Texas. When parents have kids coming home from English or History class telling them the things they have been instructed to believe in those subjects, they are even less likely to trust that a subject like 'Critical Thinking' won't just become a vehicle for more of the same. Right or wrong, they are not without reason.

It's the word "think" that frightened Texans, wasn't it?
That's the same sort of problem the ancient Greeks had with logic. Kids coming home and scaring their parents with major premises and so forth. The Greeks got so scared of Socrates and his stupid questioning they made him drink the hemlock. And if questioning is bad, think of the evil that the scientific method has brought to mankind.
Memorization is the way to go, memorization has never hurt anyone, it is meaningless, harmless and soon forgotten, but what we don't want are students that think. Well anyway Texas doesn't,
 
Teachers could do that with any subject, history, English, PE, health, whatever. Is there any reason Texas cannot trust its teachers?


That's exactly the problem, and not just in Texas. When parents have kids coming home from English or History class telling them the things they have been instructed to believe in those subjects, they are even less likely to trust that a subject like 'Critical Thinking' won't just become a vehicle for more of the same. Right or wrong, they are not without reason.

It's the word "think" that frightened Texans, wasn't it?



Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you wanted to have an actual discussion. My mistake. Ok, go on with your 'Gee, Texas sure is funny and backward!' 'Tee-hee!' 'We hate everyone in that state because some people there are conservative!' 'Tee-hee!' 'This will be fun to talk about at our next cocktail party in Cambridge!' 'Tee-hee!' 'Aren't we just the most precious things ever because we are so mindlessly partisan and pleased with our liberalism that we don't have to think about it?' 'Tee-hee-hee!'

You go ahead and enjoy that. I'll try not to make the mistake of taking you seriously again.
 
That's the same sort of problem the ancient Greeks had with logic. Kids coming home and scaring their parents with major premises and so forth. The Greeks got so scared of Socrates and his stupid questioning they made him drink the hemlock.



Maybe you should study up on that a little more before you comment on it again. But what am I saying? You aren't serious anyway. Enjoy the great selection of cheeses at your next cocktail party in Cambridge.
 
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Status quo, per se, is something conservatives, by definition, support, and liberals, by definition, seek to better.
And in the present situation, I think it safe to say NO ONE likes the status quo, except for possibly the very wealthy.
(and i am not at all sure that I am replying to the post I wished to reply to. This place is confusing!)
 
Oh yeah, I can see the conflict here. You lack the the intelligence to know the difference between educating and brainwashing. Public School grad huh? And yeah, I actually do know quite a few teachers, both PS ones and Private School ones where my son goes. My wife is a substitute teacher.



If that's true then there is no excuse for your ignorance on this subject is there.

Anyone that dishes out 'brainwashing' on an education forum is haunted, drunk, plain stupid, or all of the previous.

It is what it is bud. Just because you refuse to acknowledge the truth of it doesn't mean I'm haunted, drunk or stupid. What it more probably means is that you have a personal stake in not speaking the truths about our educational/social engineering/indoctrinating public school system. See the evidence supports the statement I made. US students do worse on standarized testing than ANY other 1st world nation on the planet, and worse than even some 3rd world nations. This is FACT son, not drunken babbling. Our PS systems have shifted their focus from giving our children a great academic education to socially engineering them to be good little diversty minded, head filled with liberal propoganda bs, citizens who will toe the leftist's line. They're putting out sheeple, when they can actually get kids through graduation, not well educated, critically thinking, young men and woman. Sheeple are easier to control. Niether of my sons went to PS, my wife and I decided to sacrifice and do without or give up, many, many, many material things rather than allow sub-standard leftist propogandists to "educate" our children. What's your personal agenda bud? You a teacher? You married to one? Lol, some personal axe to grind that's for sure because you deny the facts and give us BS and name calling, typical leftist tactics.



I no longer have a stake in this matter. I just have a hard time reading these way out responses.
I taught in both private and public schools. You sent yours to private, hurrah. Teachers in both systems are not different. The private make less, usually have lesser benefits, and don't have to put up with the crap in a public school. That is unless a big donor's kid gets in trouble. Then it's swept under the rug.

Whenever anyone starts with the indoctrination stuff, that's wacko and this comes from 1st hand experience.

The rating stuff, oh God, how many times....
We encourage and even mandate that our special ed kids take the tests. In many countries we are compared with, they cull the best students and send the others on vocational tracts.

If you indeed personally know anyone that teaches, how can you socialize with those that you label 'diseased'. I doubt you know any. If your wife does sub then she knows how it is practically impossible to get kids to do anything.

Bottom line is I think you don't know crap from apple butter. If you personally knew teachers we wouldn't be having this discussion. Your view of teachers comes from way out in left field (or right) and you insist on spouting ignorant statements on a public forum.

The next thing you'll state is the reason for high crime in poverty areas is because teachers are 'brainwashing' their students to steal...I can't wait for that one...
 
Well, that settles it. You ARE stupid and you ARE afraid to answer direct questions. When you can muster the courage and strength of character to support your own claim or at least clarify your meaning I may consider taking you a little bit seriously. Until then, you are just a weak, ignorant idiot spamming up this thread by repeating the same nonsense over and over again. Let me know if you ever locate your spine or develop the slightest grasp of logic.



And.....................I guess he never did.
 
Your view of teachers comes from way out in left field (or right) and you insist on spouting ignorant statements on a public forum.

The correct view is that teachers are status quo union liberals who produce about the dumbest kids in the civilied world and in doing so treasonously undermine our nation.

THe obvious Republican/libertarian/American solution is to make unions illegal again and introduce vouchers.
 
about the dumbest kids in the civilied[sic] world.


Can you prove that?


Reason Magazine:

For "Stupid in America," a special report ABC will air Friday, we gave identical tests to high school students in New Jersey and in Belgium. The Belgian kids cleaned the American kids' clocks. The Belgian kids called the American students "stupid."

We didn't pick smart kids to test in Europe and dumb kids in the United States. The American students attend an above-average school in New Jersey, and New Jersey's kids have test scores that are above average for America.
 
about the dumbest kids in the civilied[sic] world.


Can you prove that?


Reason Magazine:

For "Stupid in America," a special report ABC will air Friday, we gave identical tests to high school students in New Jersey and in Belgium. The Belgian kids cleaned the American kids' clocks. The Belgian kids called the American students "stupid."

We didn't pick smart kids to test in Europe and dumb kids in the United States. The American students attend an above-average school in New Jersey, and New Jersey's kids have test scores that are above average for America.



So, American students are "the dumbest in the civilized world" really means one group of high school kids in Jersey compared to one group of kids in Belgium? Is that what that means? :rolleyes:

Even at that, you still haven't provided a link.
 
Can you prove that?


Reason Magazine:

For "Stupid in America," a special report ABC will air Friday, we gave identical tests to high school students in New Jersey and in Belgium. The Belgian kids cleaned the American kids' clocks. The Belgian kids called the American students "stupid."

We didn't pick smart kids to test in Europe and dumb kids in the United States. The American students attend an above-average school in New Jersey, and New Jersey's kids have test scores that are above average for America.



So, American students are "the dumbest in the civilized world" really means one group of high school kids in Jersey compared to one group of kids in Belgium? Is that what that means? :rolleyes:

Even at that, you still haven't provided a link.

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On international tests, American children rank 25th in math and 21st in science, .... In fact, states without tenure or poor tenure laws have the worst educational
 
Reason Magazine:

For "Stupid in America," a special report ABC will air Friday, we gave identical tests to high school students in New Jersey and in Belgium. The Belgian kids cleaned the American kids' clocks. The Belgian kids called the American students "stupid."

We didn't pick smart kids to test in Europe and dumb kids in the United States. The American students attend an above-average school in New Jersey, and New Jersey's kids have test scores that are above average for America.



So, American students are "the dumbest in the civilized world" really means one group of high school kids in Jersey compared to one group of kids in Belgium? Is that what that means? :rolleyes:

Even at that, you still haven't provided a link.

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Your link doesn't go to any particular article or set of data. The links I provded do.


Would you like to try again?
 
So, American students are "the dumbest in the civilized world" really means one group of high school kids in Jersey compared to one group of kids in Belgium? Is that what that means? :rolleyes:

Even at that, you still haven't provided a link.

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Your link doesn't go to any particular article or set of data. The links I provded do.


Would you like to try again?


Walter Williams: The Program for International Student Assessment (PISA) is an international comparison of 15-year-olds conducted by The Organisation for Economic Co-operation and Development (OECD) that measures applied learning and problem-solving ability. In 2006, U.S. students ranked 25th of 30 advanced nations in math and 24th in science. McKinsey & Company, in releasing its report "The Economic Impact of the Achievement Gap in America's Schools" (April 2009) said, "Several other facts paint a worrisome picture. First, the longer American children are in school, the worse they perform compared to their international peers. In recent cross-country comparisons of fourth grade reading, math, and science, US students scored in the top quarter or top half of advanced nations. By age 15 these rankings drop to the bottom half. In other words, American students are farthest behind just as they are about to enter higher education or the workforce." That's a sobering thought. The longer kids are in school and the more money we spend on them, the further behind they get.
 
Link. Do you have a link? Maybe something more current than 2006?
 
Link. Do you have a link? Maybe something more current than 2006?

too stupid!! as if liberals have more or less control than 6 years ago!!!

A few days ago, CNN interviewed former D.C. schools chancellor Michelle Rhee about American education. Rhee, predictably, said that American education is terrible, that test scores are flat, and that we are way behind other nations on international tests.
 
Link! What the hell is your problem with links? Are you afraid of providing a link? Is this some new kind of mental disorder?
 
You are starting to smell mighty suspicious, champ. Provide some links to support your claims. Let's go - hurry it up.
 
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