America: The Defeated.

[Stryder50]

Who do youthink developed that technology? It wasn't Taiwan. Companies closed down here and moved to where they could get away with starvation wages. Greed is the reason we don't do that here any more.

Greed comes in many sizes and forms.

"We" did such to our selves when we started to buy the $2 pancake flipper made in 'China'~CCP or Taiwan~ rather than the $4 pancake flipper made in the USA.

Can't blame the "companies"/"Corps" for seeing that writing on the wall and shifting production to overseas.

Then there is the factor of many of we USA workers, investing into IRAs and 401Ks and "Union" pension funds which buy stock and invest in businesses and industries that show profit and growth, and guess where those such moved and shifted to ???

These economic factors are often a bit more complex, involved, and convoluted than the simpleton minds of Leftist and psuedo-Liberals can comprehend, especially given their level of ignorance on basic economics and business (Profit vs Loss).

Alas, long-term thinking, whether it be several years or a few decades down the road, has never been a strong suit of Americans, be it in commerce/industry or Guv'mint. Hence few appreciated that our largess to rebuild the industries and economies of those nations we destroyed in the course of World War Two, would within decades come back strong enough to be threats on the production and economic fronts they have become.

"being nice" to those we destroyed and defeated during a global war, in the post-war reconstruction, has been our self-inflected destruction. There was a point decades back where we should have stopped slitting our own economic and industrial throats.

 

[Donald H]

As for kids getting shot by cops, from what I have seen, more of them need to be shot.

White American kids?
Here's a chance for you to distance yourself from that hateful comment by qualifying what kids you want shot.

 

[Donald H]

Greed comes in many sizes and forms.

"We" did such to our selves when we started to buy the $2 pancake flipper made in 'China'~CCP or Taiwan~ rather than the $4 pancake flipper made in the USA.

Can't blame the "companies"/"Corps" for seeing that writing on the wall and shifting production to overseas.

Then there is the factor of many of we USA workers, investing into IRAs and 401Ks and "Union" pension funds which buy stock and invest in businesses and industries that show profit and growth, and guess where those such moved and shifted to ???

These economic factors are often a bit more complex, involved, and convoluted than the simpleton minds of Leftist and psuedo-Liberals can comprehend, especially given their level of ignorance on basic economics and business (Profit vs Loss).

Alas, long-term thinking, whether it be several years or a few decades down the road, has never been a strong suit of Americans, be it in commerce/industry or Guv'mint. Hence few appreciated that our largess to rebuild the industries and economies of those nations we destroyed in the course of World War Two, would within decades come back strong enough to be threats on the production and economic fronts they have become.

"being nice" to those we destroyed and defeated during a global war, in the post-war reconstruction, has been our self-inflected destruction. There was a point decades back where we should have stopped slitting our own economic and industrial throats.

The $2 pancake flipper made in China is most likely made by a US company in China that employs Chinese people. And you can buy it at Walmart!

America is now paying the price for allowing unfettered capitalism to run off to China.

Always refusing to consider 'social responsible' government that could have put the brakes on long ago. Chickens and pancake flippers are coming home!

These economic factors are often a bit more complex, involved, and convoluted than the simpleton minds of Leftist and psuedo-Liberals can comprehend, especially given their level of ignorance on basic economics and business (Profit vs Loss).

And so now it's time to blame the left for capitalism in it's purest form?
Profit vs. loss is very basic and easy to understand. Nothing shall get in it's way!

We do it a bit different in Canada, so ask me about it if you want to know. We allow some certain factors to get in the way!

 

[Stryder50]

The $2 pancake flipper made in China is most likely made by a US company in China that employs Chinese people. And you can buy it at Walmart!

Actually, I'm referring to trends set about 4+ decades ago, and ever since.
If you knew what you are talking about, you'd know that is any USA, or 'Western', company/corp. has any real investment in CCP China, the majority ownership and control is in the hands of CCP China! For that matter, usually "owned" by the military of CCP China if one digs deep enough.

A couple of decades back, the employer I worked for, sought to break into the "China market" and found they had to provide proprietary production tech and let CCP China have major ownership and control. We in the West are more at their mercy and control than most realize.

America is now paying the price for allowing unfettered capitalism to run off to China.

Always refusing to consider 'social responsible' government that could have put the brakes on long ago. Chickens and pancake flippers are coming home!

America (USA) has no monopoly on "capitalism". We still have such to some degree here, as do other nations. The fundamental aspect of capitalism is operating at a profit, wealth creation; versus the socialist aspect of "wealth redistribution". Capitalism depends upon incentive and proportional rewards(profit) where socialism operates on coercion and taking of wealth/production (redistribution). Socialism kills incentive, which is why it consistently has failed in the past century plus.

"social responsible" is just another term for the non-producers to plunder and steal from the producers.

And so now it's time to blame the left for capitalism in it's purest form?
Profit vs. loss is very basic and easy to understand. Nothing shall get in it's way!

EXACTLY!

Either one operates efficiently and effectively = profit, or you operate at loss = costs more than you gain. Operating at a loss means you loose your investment and go out of business. Operate at a profit and you can expand and/or hire more employees. In the case of public held stock this means your investors have gained and can accumulate wealth.

In the USA, many citizens invest in IRA or 401K which in turn invest in stocks and bonds of businesses which hopefully make a profit and grow in wealth and value, hence the shares held by those invested in the IRAs and 401Ks (and union pension funds as well) will grow in value and be able to provide the retirement incomes they were designed to help provide.

We do it a bit different in Canada, so ask me about it if you want to know. We allow some certain factors to get in the way!

I live within a dozen miles of the border and know all I need to of how that works.
1) Being sheltered by the USA, the bulk of national defense for Canada is under the umbrella of that of the USA, so Canada needs only pay for and provide a token share, the majority being covered for by the USA and it's taxpayers.
2) Canadian economic controls produce significant consumer shortfalls. Prior to Covid, the parking lots of the big-box stores, and many medical clinics here, often had as much as a third of the vehicles there bearing Canadian(B.C. mostly) license plates. Canadian shoppers down here were loading up on dairy and petrol mostly, and a few other basic consumer items, before going back North with such.

3) Canada would being doing so well if it shared most of it's border with another nation like say Mexico, or Russia. Since it has the USA as it major(only) neighbor, it thrives off the USA largess, a form of subsidy.

 

[myself]

What does George Floyd have to do with making integrated circuit boards? It doesn't happen here because we don't have Americans willing to work for slave wages in crowded factories to produce a product that inexpensive enough to sell worldwide.

Because there has been much on the news about George Floyd and the like. Hardly anything about how the U.S. is sliding ever farther into third world status. Next, why have Americans work for anything while our capitalist system would prefer to send our jobs to wage slave countries. Here in the U.S., if we wanted to, we could out due any other country when it comes to technology or anything else. But the American public has been sold on having a McJob economy.

 

[myself]

Who do youthink developed that technology? It wasn't Taiwan. Companies closed down here and moved to where they could get away with starvation wages. Greed is the reason we don't do that here any more.

Business leaders should be impaled for their treason. I wonder if you could agree with this guy.

 

[myself]

The AFL-CIO Teamsters don't have the skills for it, and they won't let anybody else do it either in the U.S.

Actually quite a few of them in Camas, Washington. They grow silicon crystals, cut them into wafers, etc., etc., there are microfiltered air conditioned cleanrooms, computer controlled CNC mills, electrical engineers designing antennas for cell phones.

And that's just one small town in America. There are also companies in Medford, Eugene, Salem, Oregon, and many many more in California, who all make different sorts of integrated circuits for special applications.

Don't blame unions. Also, maybe you are right. I don't know. At the very least the integrated chip manufacturer in the U.S. they spoke about was the only major one.

 

[myself]

AFL-CIO Teamsters are involved, I'm telling you. Those guys are getting burned out at work and they can't afford the fire insurance premiums on their homeowners policies anymore. They're computer guys who surf the internet at work. They can't have any women on the job because it's a "hostile environment" and they're suing of sexual harassment at the drop of a hat.

They have different unions for different lines of work. I think the teamsters are mostly involved with trucking. That doesn't have anything to do with integrated circuits.

 

[myself]

I see the problem as companies making short-term vs long-term investments. Leveraged buyouts are an example of a market ploy that helps the bottom line in the short term. They have their place in a market economy but there is a major focus on stock price and dividends and less on long term investment. It seems like only companies headed by billionaires, like Musk, can really afford to look to the future.

Billionaires like Bill Gates are looking to the future. But not any future I want to see. An anti-gringo future. By giving 29 million dollars to LaRaza.

 

[myself]

White American kids?
Here's a chance for you to distance yourself from that hateful comment by qualifying what kids you want shot.

Hmm. What to say when truth is deemed "hateful." I'll pass.

 

[justinacolmena]

They have different unions for different lines of work. I think the teamsters are mostly involved with trucking. That doesn't have anything to do with integrated circuits.

It doesn't matter what it is. If it's an integrated circuit, they slap a Made-In-China label on it and they won't truck your shit if you aren't in solidarity with their labor union.

 

[zaangalewa]

America was defeated when the Democrats were allowed to steal the 2020 Presidential Election.

Trump lost. That's all.

 

[Flash]

 

[alang1216]

Billionaires like Bill Gates are looking to the future. But not any future I want to see. An anti-gringo future. By giving 29 million dollars to LaRaza.

I guess you don't feel Latinos are entitled to their rights in the US. Noted.

 

[Donald H]

Hmm. What to say when truth is deemed "hateful." I'll pass.

In those times when the 'truth' is hateful, the best thing to do is try to change that which is the truth.
I Think Biden just did that when he ended your war. The accepted truth used to be that it was a just war but the truth finally became that it was unjust and was only money poorly spent.

 

[myself]

I guess you don't feel Latinos are entitled to their rights in the US. Noted.

if they are in this country illegally, they should have no rights. If they are the great grandchildren of those who came to this country illegally, they should have no rights. Other than the right to be deported. I think it was the 14th amendment that gave citizenship to anybody born in this country. But that was something they came up with after the Civil War to help make ex-slaves citizens. With the Civil War having happened long ago, it should be repealed. Not used as a means for illegals to come into this country and legally stay.

 

[myself]

In those times when the 'truth' is hateful, the best thing to do is try to change that which is the truth.
I Think Biden just did that when he ended your war. The accepted truth used to be that it was a just war but the truth finally became that it was unjust and was only money poorly spent.

No. When the truth is "hateful." the best thing to do is speak it more loudly. It is the truth after all. Truth is good. Lies are bad. Next, the war in Afghanistan wasn't my war. I would have just bombed the living shit out of the country and let it go at that.

 

[justinacolmena]

kids have to worry about getting shot by cops

You're telling the truth here, and anyone who contradicts this is a liar.

 

[zaangalewa]

justinacolmena

Why do you disagree?

 

[justinacolmena]

justinacolmena

Why do you disagree?

I don't like those gun-grabbing Democrat police unions or the cops who shoot at kids. We're adults, and we know when cops tell us we shouldn't have guns that they are basically framing us for murder, and lusting to put us in prison no matter what on any excuse or opportunity if they can't find a way to kill us first in the "line of duty" or some other excuse to justify the murders they have already committed and continue to commit.