You're the one being a punk.
You're pretending I said we shouldn't work, when clearly post #22 where I clearly stated we should just work *less* ............came before your accusations.
So you're being a douchebag. Stoppit.
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You're the one being a punk.
You're pretending I said we shouldn't work, when clearly post #22 where I clearly stated we should just work *less* ............came before your accusations.
So you're being a douchebag. Stoppit.
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I agree
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move along junior to many adults in this discussion for you to play games.
To, two, too - Mr. "Adult."
WatertheTree
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A modern society with cars, cell phones, computers, and mcdonalds requires alot of hard work to maintain. If you dont want to work hard in this country you can. Marry a man that shares your ideals. Quite your job and stay at home. The problem that you say is not laziness is infact laziness.
You want the life your talking about and let go of your second car. Let go of cell phones for the family. Let go of cable tv. Let go of your own private plantation in suburbs. Forget about eating out except for 1-2 times a week. Stop buying soda.
The responsable poor (yes they do exist, contrary to popular belief there are people doing everything they can and not getting anywhere) have already let go of these things, and they are working 50+ hours a week to get ahead. Mom staying at home is not a choice. There is no retirement for these people. There lives will not change untill they die.
Forgive me, but I think your opinion is that of a spoiled child.
That's only because you misunderstand it and you can't open your mind past the precedent which we've all grown accustomed to.
Samson
Póg Mo Thóin
Yes, no one in the USA was never interested in increasing profit before 1980.
It will be getting colder sleeping outside in a park in NYC; I don't expect it will improve your mental condition.
WatertheTree
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And peoples narcissim. Most middle class families are trying to prop up a 250k house, 3 cars, 2+ cell phones, PS3's + Games, Multipul TV's, 100 a month on cable tv, spending 100 a month on soft drinks etc.
Alot of peoples problems are created themselves, others are not. Minimum wage for example is not a wage that anyone can live off of, nomatter how much wisdom is used in purchasing decisions.
The difference in mentality is astounding!
The wealthiest and most successful people are known to work 80 hours or more a week. Donald Trump works about 85 hours a week. The richest man in China starts work at 7am and finishes at 11 pm every day. He's almost 70. Steve Jobs worked 90 hours a week.
People who want more fun time are guaranteeing their place among the poor. That they want those who really bust buns to pay for their fun time is completely disgusting.
The wealthiest and most successful people are known to work 80 hours or more a week. Donald Trump works about 85 hours a week. The richest man in China starts work at 7am and finishes at 11 pm every day. He's almost 70. Steve Jobs worked 90 hours a week.
People who want more fun time are guaranteeing their place among the poor. That they want those who really bust buns to pay for their fun time is completely disgusting.
You assume way too much about what I want.
And I'm not "people," I'm ME.
What I'm talking about has nothing to do with wealth, rich, poor, or how much anyone spends on a car or a cell-phone. I'm talking about the fundamental make-up of human society. You're relating it back to the current rich vs. poor rhetoric which is going on, in today's National conversation.
I don't want more - for working less - than somebody, and I didn't even say that at all.
I'm talking about Society in general, not me personally. I think that all of society would benefit if it was the NORM to become less career driven and more family/people driven with the majority of their waking hours, as opposed to what we have now.
It's not because I'm lazy, and it's not because I want anything of someone else's. That's way not the point. The point is, if we as "Humanity" only get to live ONCE, we should minimize (not eliminate) how long the "system" in-terms of hours limits your freedom.
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Im going recant much of this. While I think it is a problem, I agree that the golden age is done. The enequality of wages and income has little to do with peoples own personel responsability.
So far as claiming that rich people work harder, yes its easy to find a few people and say 'look that guy works hard, he deserves it', and yes, those people do deserve it. What is to be said of people who work just as hard and get nowhere?
I would further challange the numbers these 'success stories' are touting. 90 hours a week minus 2 hours a day for dinner, 1 hour a day for lunch, 2 hours a day for the gym etc. People who dont punch a clock and have a supervisor usually do work longer hours, but its usually because they dont manage there time in the same way.
This says nothing for investors who make TONS of money without lifting a finger. Or ceo's that get paid billions for NOTHING.
Then your freedom for fun time comes with a price. You should be more than willing to pay it yourself, not ask for someone else to pay it. What you suggest is to set a standard for the NORM based on what you desire for yourself. Like it or not, one person, like yourself will choose to have more time for personal enjoyment or family time. Another person will choose to work very hard, very long hours, and have much more money than you. It is not up to you to decide which actions are best or even normal for someone else.
All your response says to me is that you have no idea what the hell I'm talking about and you're arguing things that aren't even involved in what I typed.
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In America 2.0, in order to vote, you have to show photo ID and you have to have passed a citizenship test demonstrating some basic knowledge of our form of government. The only mail in ballots accept will be from US military personnel serving overseas
Firehorse
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First off ... If the USA is gone, the world collapses. If we don't buy or build world products, if the US farmers don't provide grain ... If the USA stops funding the world ... The entire world is done. In effect, the USA is too big to fail
The world is trembling in it's shoes because of Greece. The would counldnt survive in anything like it's current form if the USA is done.
1) CBO basing it's calculations on the the actual numbers from the last quarter, nit on hypothetical 4% growth. Not knowing how much something does/will cost is killing us.
2) Term limits, one term per branch of government.
3) Balanced budget amendment ... This is a must. To exceed in times of rouble should be allowed, but only with a state by state vote. We have the technology to do this, let's do it.
4) No riders on bills. What a bill is is what it is.
5) Law makes put in 40hr work week like the rest of us and get days off like the rest of us, they are paid the average anual income of the nation.
6) No filibusters. No ability to stall a bill or sit on it. If it is written, it gets voted on within a resonable time frame.
7) Massive downsize of Federal Government. OSHA stays, as do certain environmental laws, but after that EPA is gone. Department of Education is gone, Csars are gone, Government redundancy is gone, DOD is looked at closely and honestly. National defense is a priority, a 12 aircraft carrier is not.
8) News the actually reports the news in facts ... News used to tell you what's happening in the US and the world, without bias ... That's something that has turned this nation as partisan as it is.
9) No political contribution of more then $500 per person ... Period. That $1 you check on your tax return funds all political parties ... Not just the two. Political ads are restricted to late night/early morning hours ... Debates televisied primetime and with moderators that actually are reading real life questions. (this would involve some restriction of freedom of speach as it applied to political ads by 'neutral parties')
10) Enforce the freakin laws
The world is trembling in it's shoes because of Greece. The would counldnt survive in anything like it's current form if the USA is done.
1) CBO basing it's calculations on the the actual numbers from the last quarter, nit on hypothetical 4% growth. Not knowing how much something does/will cost is killing us.
2) Term limits, one term per branch of government.
3) Balanced budget amendment ... This is a must. To exceed in times of rouble should be allowed, but only with a state by state vote. We have the technology to do this, let's do it.
4) No riders on bills. What a bill is is what it is.
5) Law makes put in 40hr work week like the rest of us and get days off like the rest of us, they are paid the average anual income of the nation.
6) No filibusters. No ability to stall a bill or sit on it. If it is written, it gets voted on within a resonable time frame.
7) Massive downsize of Federal Government. OSHA stays, as do certain environmental laws, but after that EPA is gone. Department of Education is gone, Csars are gone, Government redundancy is gone, DOD is looked at closely and honestly. National defense is a priority, a 12 aircraft carrier is not.
8) News the actually reports the news in facts ... News used to tell you what's happening in the US and the world, without bias ... That's something that has turned this nation as partisan as it is.
9) No political contribution of more then $500 per person ... Period. That $1 you check on your tax return funds all political parties ... Not just the two. Political ads are restricted to late night/early morning hours ... Debates televisied primetime and with moderators that actually are reading real life questions. (this would involve some restriction of freedom of speach as it applied to political ads by 'neutral parties')
10) Enforce the freakin laws
Firehorse
Free Thinker
- Sep 4, 2011
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First off ... If the USA is gone, the world collapses. If we don't buy or build world products, if the US farmers don't provide grain ... If the USA stops funding the world ... The entire world is done. In effect, the USA is too big to fail
The world is trembling in it's shoes because of Greece. The would counldnt survive in anything like it's current form if the USA is done.
1) CBO basing it's calculations on the the actual numbers from the last quarter, nit on hypothetical 4% growth. Not knowing how much something does/will cost is killing us.
2) Term limits, one term per branch of government.
3) Balanced budget amendment ... This is a must. To exceed in times of rouble should be allowed, but only with a state by state vote. We have the technology to do this, let's do it.
4) No riders on bills. What a bill is is what it is.
5) Law makes put in 40hr work week like the rest of us and get days off like the rest of us, they are paid the average anual income of the nation.
6) No filibusters. No ability to stall a bill or sit on it. If it is written, it gets voted on within a resonable time frame.
7) Massive downsize of Federal Government. OSHA stays, as do certain environmental laws, but after that EPA is gone. Department of Education is gone, Csars are gone, Government redundancy is gone, DOD is looked at closely and honestly. National defense is a priority, a 12 aircraft carrier is not.
8) News the actually reports the news in facts ... News used to tell you what's happening in the US and the world, without bias ... That's something that has turned this nation as partisan as it is.
9) No political contribution of more then $500 per person ... Period. That $1 you check on your tax return funds all political parties ... Not just the two. Political ads are restricted to late night/early morning hours ... Debates televisied primetime and with moderators that actually are reading real life questions. (this would involve some restriction of freedom of speach as it applied to political ads by 'neutral parties')
10) Enforce the freakin laws
The world is trembling in it's shoes because of Greece. The would counldnt survive in anything like it's current form if the USA is done.
1) CBO basing it's calculations on the the actual numbers from the last quarter, nit on hypothetical 4% growth. Not knowing how much something does/will cost is killing us.
2) Term limits, one term per branch of government.
3) Balanced budget amendment ... This is a must. To exceed in times of rouble should be allowed, but only with a state by state vote. We have the technology to do this, let's do it.
4) No riders on bills. What a bill is is what it is.
5) Law makes put in 40hr work week like the rest of us and get days off like the rest of us, they are paid the average anual income of the nation.
6) No filibusters. No ability to stall a bill or sit on it. If it is written, it gets voted on within a resonable time frame.
7) Massive downsize of Federal Government. OSHA stays, as do certain environmental laws, but after that EPA is gone. Department of Education is gone, Csars are gone, Government redundancy is gone, DOD is looked at closely and honestly. National defense is a priority, a 12 aircraft carrier is not.
8) News the actually reports the news in facts ... News used to tell you what's happening in the US and the world, without bias ... That's something that has turned this nation as partisan as it is.
9) No political contribution of more then $500 per person ... Period. That $1 you check on your tax return funds all political parties ... Not just the two. Political ads are restricted to late night/early morning hours ... Debates televisied primetime and with moderators that actually are reading real life questions. (this would involve some restriction of freedom of speach as it applied to political ads by 'neutral parties')
10) Enforce the freakin laws
MiddleClass
Moderate American
By voting out of office all who support the top 1% wealthiest over the middle class.
MiddleClass
Moderate American
When its become all about profit over the good of America, than profit has become a dirty word. When the baby boomers parents ruled our businesses and government they did so with a much more balanced approach, with more equitable shares of the AMERICAN pie. The Greatest Generation spoiled their baby boom children, and when their offspring replaced them atop of Corporate AMERICA and Government, those spoiled baby boomers took everything for themselves, and left little for the masses. One day, the spoiled baby boomers will be old and hopefully the next generation(s) will bring America back to a time when all shared in its great wealth, not just the top !% wealthiest
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