Amelia Earhart - Makes you Wonder what else the Government has lied about

[Divine Wind]

Sorry, but it was one of the largest SAR missions in history with many US sailors risking their lives in the search.

The Reason Why the Search for Amelia Earhart Was Called Off

A mission that cost them 250k a day that ultimately made the government want to make such navy searches illegal for civilian/celebrity adventurers.

Then we learn that the government knew she and Noonsn had been captured...and they did nothing.

Not only did they waste time and money. They left them with the Japanese.

Not very good PR.

1) Is that a retraction of your earlier statement that no search was made at all? "they did nothing in the way of a rescue attempt"

2) As shown in a previous post, it's highly unlikely Earhart could have made it the 930+ miles to the Marshall Islands without fuel. Add to this, the Electra 10E cruised at 190MPH. A 930 mile flight would have taken her almost 5 hours additional flight time. Highly unlikely she'd have turned that way instead of looking for Howland. Add to this, is Earhart ended up in the Marshall Islands, she'd be a much worse pilot than anyone previously believed.

3) This still doesn't explain why the US would hide "the truth" for nearly 80 years. As shown above, looking at the Marshalls would be a waste of time since Earhart didn't have the fuel and all the radio triangulations showed she was around Howland. IF she had been captured by the Japanese, the US has a very plausible reason for not looking at the Marshalls and a very good post-WWII reason to hang a few more Japanese for war crimes. So why hide it?

I didn't say they didn't search the ocean. I said a rescue attempt from the Japanese never happened.

Don't put words in my mouth.

And as for your claims she couldn't have made it to Marshall Islands. That was covered in the documentary and experts said she could have made it there and they explained in detail why they believed it was possible.

Many eye witnesses saw her in Japanese custody and came forward to talk about it years ago. I find it perfectly plausible that she could have been captured and the government left her to die and then covered it up. Much like they were trying (and failing) to do with Benghazi.

Sorry for misunderstanding your previous post.

I didn't watch the documentary, the picture has been proven to be from 1935 and both the math and political reasoning doesn't add up. Believe as you wish. If you want to believe Earhart was over 900 miles off course, fine. If you want to believe all of those radio triangulations were faked, a big government conspiracy or erroneous, fine. Produce evidence proving Earhart and her aircraft were captured by the Japanese and I'll be happy to discuss it.

even today using dead reckoning being off by a degree or two over great distance

one could be off by 900 miles that was possible

however the rest doesnt add up

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles. They weren't that bad.

Yes, if one was off a degree or two and didn't check it for 4700 miles, they could be off, but it's SOP to regularly check one's position in order to not miss a speck in the ocean....but they weren't flying simply by dead reckoning.

Flight Route Map

 

[BlueGin]

America was not at war and they did nothing in the way of a rescue attempt. Pretty much just left them to die without a second thought.

Amelia was a high profile figure.

Sorry, but it was one of the largest SAR missions in history with many US sailors risking their lives in the search.

The Reason Why the Search for Amelia Earhart Was Called Off

A mission that cost them 250k a day that ultimately made the government want to make such navy searches illegal for civilian/celebrity adventurers.

Then we learn that the government knew she and Noonsn had been captured...and they did nothing.

Not only did they waste time and money. They left them with the Japanese.

Not very good PR.

1) Is that a retraction of your earlier statement that no search was made at all? "they did nothing in the way of a rescue attempt"

2) As shown in a previous post, it's highly unlikely Earhart could have made it the 930+ miles to the Marshall Islands without fuel. Add to this, the Electra 10E cruised at 190MPH. A 930 mile flight would have taken her almost 5 hours additional flight time. Highly unlikely she'd have turned that way instead of looking for Howland. Add to this, is Earhart ended up in the Marshall Islands, she'd be a much worse pilot than anyone previously believed.

3) This still doesn't explain why the US would hide "the truth" for nearly 80 years. As shown above, looking at the Marshalls would be a waste of time since Earhart didn't have the fuel and all the radio triangulations showed she was around Howland. IF she had been captured by the Japanese, the US has a very plausible reason for not looking at the Marshalls and a very good post-WWII reason to hang a few more Japanese for war crimes. So why hide it?

I didn't say they didn't search the ocean. I said a rescue attempt from the Japanese never happened.

Don't put words in my mouth.

And as for your claims she couldn't have made it to Marshall Islands. That was covered in the documentary and experts said she could have made it there and they explained in detail why they believed it was possible.

Many eye witnesses saw her in Japanese custody and came forward to talk about it years ago. I find it perfectly plausible that she could have been captured and the government left her to die and then covered it up. Much like they were trying (and failing) to do with Benghazi.

Sorry for misunderstanding your previous post.

I didn't watch the documentary, the picture has been proven to be from 1935 and both the math and political reasoning doesn't add up. Believe as you wish. If you want to believe Earhart was over 900 miles off course, fine. If you want to believe all of those radio triangulations were faked, a big government conspiracy or erroneous, fine. Produce evidence proving Earhart and her aircraft were captured by the Japanese and I'll be happy to discuss it.

I didn't say I believed everything in the History channel documentary. I said the theory presented has been presented before by experts and eye witnesses (including marines and locals) years ago via an Unsolved Mysteries episode( as well as an in Search Of program from the 70's). And it wouldnt surprise me to learn the government lied and covered it up. These theories have been around for years. The government can't "prove" she perished at sea either ...so until they dredge up a body and her plane they will just have to deal with speculation of a cover up.

 

[percysunshine]

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Has Geraldo Rivera found Al Capone's vault yet?

 

[Divine Wind]

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Has Geraldo Rivera found Al Capone's vault yet?

Has OJ found the real killers yet?

 

[jon_berzerk]

A mission that cost them 250k a day that ultimately made the government want to make such navy searches illegal for civilian/celebrity adventurers.

Then we learn that the government knew she and Noonsn had been captured...and they did nothing.

Not only did they waste time and money. They left them with the Japanese.

Not very good PR.

1) Is that a retraction of your earlier statement that no search was made at all? "they did nothing in the way of a rescue attempt"

2) As shown in a previous post, it's highly unlikely Earhart could have made it the 930+ miles to the Marshall Islands without fuel. Add to this, the Electra 10E cruised at 190MPH. A 930 mile flight would have taken her almost 5 hours additional flight time. Highly unlikely she'd have turned that way instead of looking for Howland. Add to this, is Earhart ended up in the Marshall Islands, she'd be a much worse pilot than anyone previously believed.

3) This still doesn't explain why the US would hide "the truth" for nearly 80 years. As shown above, looking at the Marshalls would be a waste of time since Earhart didn't have the fuel and all the radio triangulations showed she was around Howland. IF she had been captured by the Japanese, the US has a very plausible reason for not looking at the Marshalls and a very good post-WWII reason to hang a few more Japanese for war crimes. So why hide it?

I didn't say they didn't search the ocean. I said a rescue attempt from the Japanese never happened.

Don't put words in my mouth.

And as for your claims she couldn't have made it to Marshall Islands. That was covered in the documentary and experts said she could have made it there and they explained in detail why they believed it was possible.

Many eye witnesses saw her in Japanese custody and came forward to talk about it years ago. I find it perfectly plausible that she could have been captured and the government left her to die and then covered it up. Much like they were trying (and failing) to do with Benghazi.

Sorry for misunderstanding your previous post.

I didn't watch the documentary, the picture has been proven to be from 1935 and both the math and political reasoning doesn't add up. Believe as you wish. If you want to believe Earhart was over 900 miles off course, fine. If you want to believe all of those radio triangulations were faked, a big government conspiracy or erroneous, fine. Produce evidence proving Earhart and her aircraft were captured by the Japanese and I'll be happy to discuss it.

even today using dead reckoning being off by a degree or two over great distance

one could be off by 900 miles that was possible

however the rest doesnt add up

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles. They weren't that bad.

Yes, if one was off a degree or two and didn't check it for 4700 miles, they could be off, but it's SOP to regularly check one's position in order to not miss a speck in the ocean....but they weren't flying simply by dead reckoning.

Flight Route Map

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles

you dont know what you are talking about

it would be quite easy to be off that far

 

[Divine Wind]

1) Is that a retraction of your earlier statement that no search was made at all? "they did nothing in the way of a rescue attempt"

2) As shown in a previous post, it's highly unlikely Earhart could have made it the 930+ miles to the Marshall Islands without fuel. Add to this, the Electra 10E cruised at 190MPH. A 930 mile flight would have taken her almost 5 hours additional flight time. Highly unlikely she'd have turned that way instead of looking for Howland. Add to this, is Earhart ended up in the Marshall Islands, she'd be a much worse pilot than anyone previously believed.

3) This still doesn't explain why the US would hide "the truth" for nearly 80 years. As shown above, looking at the Marshalls would be a waste of time since Earhart didn't have the fuel and all the radio triangulations showed she was around Howland. IF she had been captured by the Japanese, the US has a very plausible reason for not looking at the Marshalls and a very good post-WWII reason to hang a few more Japanese for war crimes. So why hide it?

I didn't say they didn't search the ocean. I said a rescue attempt from the Japanese never happened.

Don't put words in my mouth.

And as for your claims she couldn't have made it to Marshall Islands. That was covered in the documentary and experts said she could have made it there and they explained in detail why they believed it was possible.

Many eye witnesses saw her in Japanese custody and came forward to talk about it years ago. I find it perfectly plausible that she could have been captured and the government left her to die and then covered it up. Much like they were trying (and failing) to do with Benghazi.

Sorry for misunderstanding your previous post.

I didn't watch the documentary, the picture has been proven to be from 1935 and both the math and political reasoning doesn't add up. Believe as you wish. If you want to believe Earhart was over 900 miles off course, fine. If you want to believe all of those radio triangulations were faked, a big government conspiracy or erroneous, fine. Produce evidence proving Earhart and her aircraft were captured by the Japanese and I'll be happy to discuss it.

even today using dead reckoning being off by a degree or two over great distance

one could be off by 900 miles that was possible

however the rest doesnt add up

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles. They weren't that bad.

Yes, if one was off a degree or two and didn't check it for 4700 miles, they could be off, but it's SOP to regularly check one's position in order to not miss a speck in the ocean....but they weren't flying simply by dead reckoning.

Flight Route Map

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles

you dont know what you are talking about

it would be quite easy to be off that far

Fine. You're the expert. Now all you have to do is come up with evidence they drifted that far off, were captured by the Japanese and both governments kept it a secret for almost 80 years. No hurry. I'll wait.

In the mean time, please explain why the Moon Landing was a hoax.

 

[jon_berzerk]

I didn't say they didn't search the ocean. I said a rescue attempt from the Japanese never happened.

Don't put words in my mouth.

And as for your claims she couldn't have made it to Marshall Islands. That was covered in the documentary and experts said she could have made it there and they explained in detail why they believed it was possible.

Many eye witnesses saw her in Japanese custody and came forward to talk about it years ago. I find it perfectly plausible that she could have been captured and the government left her to die and then covered it up. Much like they were trying (and failing) to do with Benghazi.

Sorry for misunderstanding your previous post.

I didn't watch the documentary, the picture has been proven to be from 1935 and both the math and political reasoning doesn't add up. Believe as you wish. If you want to believe Earhart was over 900 miles off course, fine. If you want to believe all of those radio triangulations were faked, a big government conspiracy or erroneous, fine. Produce evidence proving Earhart and her aircraft were captured by the Japanese and I'll be happy to discuss it.

even today using dead reckoning being off by a degree or two over great distance

one could be off by 900 miles that was possible

however the rest doesnt add up

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles. They weren't that bad.

Yes, if one was off a degree or two and didn't check it for 4700 miles, they could be off, but it's SOP to regularly check one's position in order to not miss a speck in the ocean....but they weren't flying simply by dead reckoning.

Flight Route Map

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles

you dont know what you are talking about

it would be quite easy to be off that far

Fine. You're the expert. Now all you have to do is come up with evidence they drifted that far off, were captured by the Japanese and both governments kept it a secret for almost 80 years. No hurry. I'll wait.

In the mean time, please explain why the Moon Landing was a hoax.

Fine. You're the expert.

im not an expert it just simple math

Now all you have to do is come up with evidence they drifted that far off,

apparently you are confused again

why would i do that when i do not believe it is her in the photo

but once again it is simple aeronautical math

check out the 1 in 60 rule which is for a mere 1 degree off

magnify that by 10 degrees or more and much further distance

 

[Divine Wind]

Sorry for misunderstanding your previous post.

I didn't watch the documentary, the picture has been proven to be from 1935 and both the math and political reasoning doesn't add up. Believe as you wish. If you want to believe Earhart was over 900 miles off course, fine. If you want to believe all of those radio triangulations were faked, a big government conspiracy or erroneous, fine. Produce evidence proving Earhart and her aircraft were captured by the Japanese and I'll be happy to discuss it.

even today using dead reckoning being off by a degree or two over great distance

one could be off by 900 miles that was possible

however the rest doesnt add up

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles. They weren't that bad.

Yes, if one was off a degree or two and didn't check it for 4700 miles, they could be off, but it's SOP to regularly check one's position in order to not miss a speck in the ocean....but they weren't flying simply by dead reckoning.

Flight Route Map

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles

you dont know what you are talking about

it would be quite easy to be off that far

Fine. You're the expert. Now all you have to do is come up with evidence they drifted that far off, were captured by the Japanese and both governments kept it a secret for almost 80 years. No hurry. I'll wait.

In the mean time, please explain why the Moon Landing was a hoax.

Fine. You're the expert.

im not an expert it just simple math

Now all you have to do is come up with evidence they drifted that far off,

apparently you are confused again

why would i do that when i do not believe it is her in the photo

but once again it is simple aeronautical math

check out the 1 in 60 rule which is for a mere 1 degree off

magnify that by 10 degrees or more and much further distance

Nice dance, but you declared "you dont know what you are talking about". Now, are you declaring you're more of an expert on this subject than me or are you just bullshitting?

What, precisely, is your expertise in aerial navigation? Overwater navigation? Flight?

 

[jon_berzerk]

even today using dead reckoning being off by a degree or two over great distance

one could be off by 900 miles that was possible

however the rest doesnt add up

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles. They weren't that bad.

Yes, if one was off a degree or two and didn't check it for 4700 miles, they could be off, but it's SOP to regularly check one's position in order to not miss a speck in the ocean....but they weren't flying simply by dead reckoning.

Flight Route Map

It would take a major screw up to be off 900 miles

you dont know what you are talking about

it would be quite easy to be off that far

Fine. You're the expert. Now all you have to do is come up with evidence they drifted that far off, were captured by the Japanese and both governments kept it a secret for almost 80 years. No hurry. I'll wait.

In the mean time, please explain why the Moon Landing was a hoax.

Fine. You're the expert.

im not an expert it just simple math

Now all you have to do is come up with evidence they drifted that far off,

apparently you are confused again

why would i do that when i do not believe it is her in the photo

but once again it is simple aeronautical math

check out the 1 in 60 rule which is for a mere 1 degree off

magnify that by 10 degrees or more and much further distance

Nice dance, but you declared "you dont know what you are talking about". Now, are you declaring you're more of an expert on this subject than me or are you just bullshitting?

obviously you dont know shit about drifting off course

and how far one can be off course

 

[Divine Wind]

obviously you dont know shit about drifting off course

and how far one can be off course

Another dance of you avoiding the questions. Interesting.

Fine, you are free to declare yourself the expert and that I don't "know shit about drifting off course" even though you won't explain why or how you came to your expertise in this subject area.

No worries. I see people like you do it all the time.

 

[depotoo]

Amelia Earhart mystery: Photo appears taken 2 years before pilot vanished - CNN.com

These two bloggers just debunked the alleged Amelia Earhart photo
But two bloggers said they found the photo in an Japanese coffee-table book published in 1935, according to CNN.

Earhart was living in the United States at that time, and wouldn’t venture on her around-the-world trip until 1937.


The bloggers said they found the photo in the book "Naval life line; the view of our South Pacific: Photo album of Southern Pacific Islands."

 

[MaryL]

It's about forensics. No Bones, no real tell tale photos. This one? 1938 was a long time ago, this photo, and the resulting mythos that sprang from Earhart's disappearance . It's just subjective. Earhart and Noonan died as a monumental result of human error. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[namvet]

Amelia Earhart mystery: Photo appears taken 2 years before pilot vanished - CNN.com

These two bloggers just debunked the alleged Amelia Earhart photo
But two bloggers said they found the photo in an Japanese coffee-table book published in 1935, according to CNN.

Earhart was living in the United States at that time, and wouldn’t venture on her around-the-world trip until 1937.


The bloggers said they found the photo in the book "Naval life line; the view of our South Pacific: Photo album of Southern Pacific Islands."

Bloggers give their own personal slant. strange it shows up on liar liar pants on fire fake TV

 

[namvet]

that Electra sure as hell didn't fly itself to Saipan and how did the Marines know she was there??

 

[depotoo]

Ok, I am confused. They proved it couldn't be her because that photo was from 2 years prior, so it really wasn't and still might be her?

Amelia Earhart mystery: Photo appears taken 2 years before pilot vanished - CNN.com

These two bloggers just debunked the alleged Amelia Earhart photo
But two bloggers said they found the photo in an Japanese coffee-table book published in 1935, according to CNN.

Earhart was living in the United States at that time, and wouldn’t venture on her around-the-world trip until 1937.


The bloggers said they found the photo in the book "Naval life line; the view of our South Pacific: Photo album of Southern Pacific Islands."

Bloggers give their own personal slant. strange it shows up on liar liar pants on fire fake TV

 

[jon_berzerk]

obviously you dont know shit about drifting off course

and how far one can be off course

Another dance of you avoiding the questions. Interesting.

Fine, you are free to declare yourself the expert and that I don't "know shit about drifting off course" even though you won't explain why or how you came to your expertise in this subject area.

No worries. I see people like you do it all the time.

you dont have any questions dope

the only thing relevant is the aeronautical math

which suggests the drift is possible

which of course you are the one dancing around

 

[namvet]

perhaps dead reckoning played a part/

 

[MaryL]

Nob

that Electra sure as hell didn't fly itself to Saipan and how did the Marines know she was there??

Nobody actually has that Electra, or pieces there of. Just vague pictures that in a court of law wouldn't stand a chance or prove a damned thing.

 

[namvet]

Nob

that Electra sure as hell didn't fly itself to Saipan and how did the Marines know she was there??

Nobody actually has that Electra, or pieces there of. Just vague pictures that in a court of law wouldn't stand a chance or prove a damned thing.

of course they don't. the Marines burned it

 

[jon_berzerk]

It's about forensics. No Bones, no real tell tale photos. This one? 1938 was a long time ago, this photo, and the resulting mythos that sprang from Earhart's disappearance . It's just subjective. Earhart and Noonan died as a monumental result of human error. Nothing more, nothing less.

there is a clue to a pretty sharp navigation error

from using the stars to using the sun

a little after 6 am reported she was 200 miles off the coast of howland island

a half hour later she reported she was a 100 miles out

unlikely they covered a hundred miles in a 1/2 hour