Amelia Earhart - Makes you Wonder what else the Government has lied about

[Divine Wind]

Between July 2, 1937 and July 6, more than 100 calls for help from Earhart were received meaning the plane was down, but still operational. It would seem to indicate she landed the plane while some fuel remained. I believe if the truth ever is proven beyond a doubt we will find she died on Nikumaroro island after trying to survive there for a short while.

Evidence please.

1) There are only so many islands in the region where she was lost. All were covered.

2) It was one of the biggest SAR operations in history....which was one of the conspiracy theories; Earhart fakes getting lost so the US Navy can scour the area spying on the Japanese, but when she is actually lost, the trick is covered up. Bullshit, of course, just like the OP link, but one of many conspiracy theories over the years. Amelia Earhart disappears - Jul 02, 1937 - HISTORY.com

3) If the island she died on was known, where is the wreckage and the bodies?

4) The first place a pilot running out of fuel would do is head for an island. The US Navy and USCG knows this and covered all of the islands. How could they overlook an aircraft 33,000lbs airplane with a 95' wingspan and over 77' long after searching each of those islands?

 

[Divine Wind]

Well it's an interesting theory.

Most conspiracy theories are interesting just like most are pure BS.

 

[skye]

wow a thread about Amelia Earhart.....her name appears in all of my big collection of books from the 1920s and 1930s...she was hot property back then....very very famous back then

 

[skye]

I think she just died when her plane crashed.

 

[MaryL]

I don't think the government lied, god knows the chain of custody before the National Archives found it. (THAT picture is supposedly Earhart sitting on the dock and a Lockheed Electra sitting on a ship in the background). What IT proves, is nothing.

 

[skye]

And she was totally attractive .... no feminism shit there at all .....bless her

 

[IsaacNewton]

They reported Line of Postiion 157/337. This is near Howland and Baker island. Nowhere near Jaluit. Noonan was one of the best navigators of the time.

Has the photo been confirmed to be of Jaluit Island? And has the date been confirmed? The man definitely looks like Noonan and the woman has the appearance of Earhardt, but it is speculation at this point, the two people could be anyone. Identify the other people in the photo.

People release this type thing because it creates a buzz to get people to watch a show. It is intriguing but still no proof.

 

[Desperado]

So did anyone watch the show last night?
Interesting to be sure.
1. Yes, The US Navy Conducted a search. however they stayed away from the Japanese controlled Marshall Islands, So much for a full scale search.
2. One of the most compelling items was that the Marshall Islands issued commemorative stamps marking the incident. Seem this was common knowledge in the Island Group but Americans were kept in the dark about it

 

[IsaacNewton]

The photograph is compelling because it shows two people, not one, that could fit their description and even as blurry as it is it looks like them.

They say the pants look like pants that Earhart wore. One has to remember this is 1937, few women wore pants. Were these aviator pants that were very rare? Were they cheap or expensive? Earhart was of means by this time and could afford the best that was available. The man definitely looks like Noonan, even when they overlay the images.

Remember also this is 1937, neither Germany or Japan would be at war for another 2 years. The US was still generally friendly towards Japan and Germany. US restrictions on war type materials going to Japan didn't take place until mid 1940 I believe. And though the Japanese did bar Westerners from the Marshall Islands in 1937 it wasn't under any type of war footing. Under these circumstances if Noonan and Earhart WERE captured then the two of them sitting on a dock rather than in custody is believable. Where are they going to go. Jaluit is a small island in the middle of the Pacific. And the fact that the native populations in this area say they saw Earhart's plane crash land and the Japanese take them away carries SOME weight. These people had no reason to lie about such a thing. Also niether Earhart or Noonan would think themselves in danger at this time.

BUT, Mili (southeast of Jaluit in the Marshall Islands) or any of the other islands in the Marshalls is way off course when flying from Lae to Howland Island. Earhart and Noonan's course WOULD take them over the Gilbert Islands, which is 300-400 miles south of the Marshall Islands. A huge distance for one of the top navigators, Noonan, to be off course on a flight both of them knew had little room for error and which their lives were at stake. Kiribati Island is in the Gilberts and there has been investigation on and around this island as the likelest crash site if they in fact didn't make it to Howland Island or even close.

The photograph is compelling no doubt. I am one that would like this mystery to be solved as was the Titanic's final resting place. If they were taken to Saipan and died there then their bodies are buried there somewhere. Has there been any large scale archeology at sites on Saipan? And lastly we still have them radioing to the US Navy their Line of Position as 157/337. Those are directions on the compass, 157 degrees is exactly opposite 337 degrees on a 360 degree compass. So you can draw a line through those two values on a map. Navigators used sextants to shoot a Line of Position off of the sun during the day and the time of day the message was sent is known. So the angle of the sun above the horizon at that moment puts that Line of Position right at Howland Island. A tough piece of evidence to ignore.

 

[namvet]

Sure looks like the two..interesting.

Notice that there are no guards or armed/unarmed soldiers/police for someone who was supposedly "were captured by the Japanese military". I don't see the Electra L-10E. It's a big plane. 149 of them were built.Lockheed Model 10 Electra - Wikipedia

like they're waiting to be rescued

 

[namvet]

So did anyone watch the show last night?
Interesting to be sure.
1. Yes, The US Navy Conducted a search. however they stayed away from the Japanese controlled Marshall Islands, So much for a full scale search.
2. One of the most compelling items was that the Marshall Islands issued commemorative stamps marking the incident. Seem this was common knowledge in the Island Group but Americans were kept in the dark about it

i only saw part of it. hopefully it will run again. but the claim is she did land in the Marshall's then taken to Saipan. and held for almost 8 years??

 

[Desperado]

Between July 2, 1937 and July 6, more than 100 calls for help from Earhart were received meaning the plane was down, but still operational. It would seem to indicate she landed the plane while some fuel remained. I believe if the truth ever is proven beyond a doubt we will find she died on Nikumaroro island after trying to survive there for a short while.

Evidence please.

1) There are only so many islands in the region where she was lost. All were covered.

2) It was one of the biggest SAR operations in history....which was one of the conspiracy theories; Earhart fakes getting lost so the US Navy can scour the area spying on the Japanese, but when she is actually lost, the trick is covered up. Bullshit, of course, just like the OP link, but one of many conspiracy theories over the years. Amelia Earhart disappears - Jul 02, 1937 - HISTORY.com

3) If the island she died on was known, where is the wreckage and the bodies?

4) The first place a pilot running out of fuel would do is head for an island. The US Navy and USCG knows this and covered all of the islands. How could they overlook an aircraft 33,000lbs airplane with a 95' wingspan and over 77' long after searching each of those islands?

Where did you get your specs for her plane?
The Lockheed Electra 10

• Crew: two
• Capacity: ten passengers
• Length: 38 ft 7 in (11.8 m)
• Wingspan: 55 ft 0 in (16.8 m)
• Height: 10 ft 1 in (3.1 m)
• Wing area: 458 ft² (42.6 m²)
• Empty weight: 6,454 lb (2,930 kg)
• Loaded weight: 10,500 lb (4,760 kg)
• Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-985 Wasp Junior SB, 450 hp (340 kW) each

 

[Divine Wind]

So did anyone watch the show last night?
Interesting to be sure.
1. Yes, The US Navy Conducted a search. however they stayed away from the Japanese controlled Marshall Islands, So much for a full scale search.
2. One of the most compelling items was that the Marshall Islands issued commemorative stamps marking the incident. Seem this was common knowledge in the Island Group but Americans were kept in the dark about it

The stamps were issued in 1987. If true, why has this been kept a secret for so long?

 

[Divine Wind]

Between July 2, 1937 and July 6, more than 100 calls for help from Earhart were received meaning the plane was down, but still operational. It would seem to indicate she landed the plane while some fuel remained. I believe if the truth ever is proven beyond a doubt we will find she died on Nikumaroro island after trying to survive there for a short while.

Evidence please.

1) There are only so many islands in the region where she was lost. All were covered.

2) It was one of the biggest SAR operations in history....which was one of the conspiracy theories; Earhart fakes getting lost so the US Navy can scour the area spying on the Japanese, but when she is actually lost, the trick is covered up. Bullshit, of course, just like the OP link, but one of many conspiracy theories over the years. Amelia Earhart disappears - Jul 02, 1937 - HISTORY.com

3) If the island she died on was known, where is the wreckage and the bodies?

4) The first place a pilot running out of fuel would do is head for an island. The US Navy and USCG knows this and covered all of the islands. How could they overlook an aircraft 33,000lbs airplane with a 95' wingspan and over 77' long after searching each of those islands?

Where did you get your specs for her plane?
The Lockheed Electra 10

• Crew: two
• Capacity: ten passengers
• Length: 38 ft 7 in (11.8 m)
• Wingspan: 55 ft 0 in (16.8 m)
• Height: 10 ft 1 in (3.1 m)
• Wing area: 458 ft² (42.6 m²)
• Empty weight: 6,454 lb (2,930 kg)
• Loaded weight: 10,500 lb (4,760 kg)
• Powerplant: 2 × Pratt & Whitney R-985 Wasp Junior SB, 450 hp (340 kW) each

Thanks. I must have looked up the wrong model.

Still, it's a big plane and hard to miss laying on a beach or atoll.

 

[namvet]

Eyewitness accounts. both locals and Japanese. the movie version claims she landed on Mili. but at the 8:16 mark a witness claims a former Japanese pilot who served on the Akagi was ordered to shoot it down. also the movie version claims she died of Dysentery but an eye witness here claims she was shot dead in her jail cell and the remains cremated. the prison was emptied so this was not seen, the Electra went to Saipan with them and was recovered by US marines in the 44 invasion. also eye witness accounts from former marines as well. this vid is 35 mins



Earhart on Saipan

 

[Divine Wind]

The picture has been proved to be 2 years prior to Amelia's disappearance:
History Channel investigating claims about Amelia Earhart photo and documentary timeline
In a July 9 blog post, Yamano explained that "the photograph was first published in Palau under Japanese rule in 1935, in a photo book; Motoaki Nishino, 'Umi no seimeisen : Waga nannyou no sugata... So the photograph was taken at least two years before Amelia Earhart disappeared in 1937 and a person on the photo was not her."

According to NPR, the photobook was later digitized and published online by Japan's National Diet Library.

Yamano told The Guardian that he found the photo by searching “Jaluit atoll," with the time frame of the 1930s.

 

[IsaacNewton]

Yeah if the photo is from 1935 that destroys this narrative.

And it leaves people to search the bottom of the ocean around Howland Island. North or south.

 

[namvet]

can't feature an experienced pilot running out of fuel. she was looking another place to sit down

 

[PredFan]

I'm sorry, all I see in the picture are Japanese fishermen.

 

[Godboy]

Sure looks like the two..interesting.

Notice that there are no guards or armed/unarmed soldiers/police for someone who was supposedly "were captured by the Japanese military". I don't see the Electra L-10E. It's a big plane. 149 of them were built.Lockheed Model 10 Electra - Wikipedia

That picture was in a book published 2 years BEFORE she even made her last flight!

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