Am i the only one who thinks it's GOOD the government shuts down?

[Ray From Cleveland]

What would a shutdown have to do with the internet or local police? Do you really believe that if attacked, our military would sit back and watch because we had a government shutdown?

Police get all kinds of fed funding . The military is totally federal .

What do you think "shutting down the government " means ?

Okay, so show me anytime where the government shut down in the past where our military was incapacitated and local police didn't do their job. I'll wait right here.........

You must really not like the repubs.

And why is that? The Republicans never lost power after a government shutdown.

Well they are in control of everything and doing such a poor job you think we need a shut down.

What I think is that Democrat threats of a shutdown should be addressed; it should be challenged. All this "end of the world" talk is ridiculous. I think it's time to show the American people that a Democrat promoted shutdown won't be the end of civilization. We will do just fine without a federal government. That's besides the fact that most of the government never shuts down--particularly necessities.

 

[Timmy]

Yeah let's really shit shit down!

No airports , no military , no internet, no police , no nothing!

F'n idiots want anarchy .

What would a shutdown have to do with the internet or local police? Do you really believe that if attacked, our military would sit back and watch because we had a government shutdown?

Police get all kinds of fed funding . The military is totally federal .

What do you think "shutting down the government " means ?

Okay, so show me anytime where the government shut down in the past where our military was incapacitated and local police didn't do their job. I'll wait right here.........

That's my point . They were fake shutdowns . This thread people are calling for a "real" shutdown .

How long are people going to work in the military for no pay ? Not very .

Ohhhh. So now we have fake shutdowns and real shutdowns? I guess the past shutdowns were all fake, huh?

Yep . We shut down superfluous shit . Not the real shit .

 

[otto105]

"IF WE DON'T SOLVE THIS FUNDING ISSUE , THE GOVERNMENT WILL SHUT DOWN !!!"

....alright

...bye

Yes

 

[otto105]

The best thing about the government shutting down is it shows how much we really don't need it. If they want to shut it down, then shut it down. It doesn't change my life one bit. In fact, it could only make it better.

Moron

 

[Dale Smith]

"IF WE DON'T SOLVE THIS FUNDING ISSUE , THE GOVERNMENT WILL SHUT DOWN !!!"

....alright

...bye

What many Americans not understand is that by the use of Federal Reserve Notes (which is not Constitutional money as defined under Article I Section 10 of the United States Constitution) that the people of the united states since have not had any constitutionally lawful way to pay their debts since the Chapter 11 bankruptcy of March, 1933. Therefore we have not had any way to buy or own property. The "people", for the benefits granted to them by a bankrupt corporate government, discharge their debts with limited liability using FRNs. We have surrendered, by way of an unconscionable contract, have had our individual rights under the U.S Constitution negated in exchange for mere privileges.

" A review of countless United States Supreme Court decisions since the 1938, landmark case, Erie Railroad v. Tompkins, (304 U.S. 64-92) clearly establishes that only the State has Constitutional Rights, not the People. The People have been pledged to the bankruptcy of 1933. The federal law administered in and by the United States is the private commercial "law" of the CREDITORS. That, due to the bankruptcy, every "citizen of the United States" is pledged as an asset to support the bankruptcy, must work to pay the insurance premiums on the underwriting necessary to keep the bankrupt government in operation under Chapter II Bankruptcy (Reorganization). That upon the declared Bankruptcy, Americans could operate and function only through their corporate colored, State created, ALL-CAPITAL-LETTERS-NAME, - that has no access to sovereignty, substance, rights, and standing in law. The Supreme Court also held the "general (Universal) common law" no longer is accessible and in operation in the federal courts based on the 1933, bankruptcy, which placed everything into the realm of private, colorable law merchant of the Federal Reserve CREDITORS. To take this to a different level and not only explain why you pay taxes, but also why you do not own the house you live in, the car you drive, or own anything else you think you've bought and paid for etc. The State Government and its CREDITORS own It all. If you think you own your home just because you believe you paid it using those Federal Reserve Notes, just like everything else you possess by permission of Government, simply stop paying your taxes, (user-fees), (licenses) and see just how long Government and the CREDITORS allow you to keep it before they come to take it away from you."

Courtesy of Jeff Anderson at Stop The Pirates


Research House Joint Resolution 192.....our beloved "gubermint" is a bankrupt mcorporate entity using our sweat equity to move this fiat currency "loaned" to us by a central bank that extends credit created from nothing. THAT is why "da gubermint" is nothing but a parasitic entity that was taken into receivership by the IMF when it went bankrupt yet again in 1950 and it has remained "bankrupt".

 

[ScienceRocks]

The most poor, backwards and violent places on earth all have little or no government.

Government that works well and serves its people like in europe and eastern Asia are the riches.

So fuck no, I don't want it.

 

[Ray From Cleveland]

What would a shutdown have to do with the internet or local police? Do you really believe that if attacked, our military would sit back and watch because we had a government shutdown?

Police get all kinds of fed funding . The military is totally federal .

What do you think "shutting down the government " means ?

Okay, so show me anytime where the government shut down in the past where our military was incapacitated and local police didn't do their job. I'll wait right here.........

That's my point . They were fake shutdowns . This thread people are calling for a "real" shutdown .

How long are people going to work in the military for no pay ? Not very .

Ohhhh. So now we have fake shutdowns and real shutdowns? I guess the past shutdowns were all fake, huh?

Yep . We shut down superfluous shit . Not the real shit .

So what makes you think any other government shutdown would be different?

 

[Wolfstrike]

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...bye

I bet you'd be very happy to see disabled veterans suffering even more on top of their service connected disabilities waiting for their compensation checks to come so they eek out what's left of their life, wouldn't you you fucking freak?[/QUOTE]


I like how you guys come up with one little example to justify the trillions of dollars the government wastes

 

[Wolfstrike]

No border patrol!

Guess you cons wouldn't mind countless illegals walking into the us without a care in the world . Or terrorists flying into our biggest cities . Since there is no customs to stop them.

F'n imbeciles.

we have a government that rolls out the welcome mat for illegals and they created the department of homeland security, then told them not to stop muslims.

i'm still not seeing the benefit of the feds

 

[gipper]

If only you were capable of learning in your old age...

The worst evils which mankind has ever had to endure were inflicted by bad governments. The state can be and has often been in the course of history the main source of mischief and disaster.

The champions of socialism call themselves progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to transform the world into a gigantic post office. Every man but one a subordinate clerk in a bureau. What an alluring utopia! What a noble cause to fight!

Would you consider the mongols a bad government?

Yes. Why?

In what way is an invading horde of mongols bad government?

They murdered, raped, and pillaged, on the orders of their emperor.

It would seem the best things for mankind have also come from government. Without it we'd all be running around in the woods eating dirt.

That is most laughable. To believe that, means you are terribly confused.

Government is FORCE....legalized FORCE. It does almost nothing well and almost nothing good. It is corrupt and inefficient in it's most benign state. However once it becomes unlimited, it becomes the most deadly force known to man.

Here are a few truisms you need to take to heart....

The worst evils which mankind has ever had to endure were inflicted by bad governments. The state can be and has often been in the course of history the main source of mischief and disaster.

Government cannot make man richer, but it can make him poorer.

The essential characteristic of Western civilization that distinguishes it from the arrested and petrified civilizations of the East was and is its concern for freedom from the state. The history of the West, from the age of the Greek polis down to the present-day resistance to socialism, is essentially the history of the fight for liberty against the encroachments of the officeholders.

Government means always coercion and compulsion and is by necessity the opposite of liberty. Government is a guarantor of liberty and is compatible with liberty only if its range is adequately restricted to the preservation of economic freedom. Where there is no market economy, the best-intentioned provisions of constitutions and laws remain a dead letter.

 

[rightwinger]

Government gets shut down under Fat Donnie.....vets are out of luck

That’s just not the case. You can believe that, but facts don’t back it. If one has money coming from the govt in the form of SSI, food stamps or VA benifets those who receive them will still get them. Have every other time.

I said you will get defined benefits
If a vet has a new claim, is protesting a decision on benefits, wants approval of a medical procedure
He has to wait......government is shut down

Na, not at all. My uncle got a plastic knee during the one in the 90’s. Went off without a hitch. Yeah, dude may have to wait to get a tooth pulled or a hemmoroid popped, but they will be fine. All will be well. Shit thay shit down. It will be fine if it even happens.

Why should our vets have to wait for medical care just because Congress is unable to pass a simple continuing resolution?

Vets can't get medical care outside of the VA? Maybe that Obamacare thing has something to do with that.

Why should our vets have to pay for services they get for free from the VA just because Congress can't do its job?

 

[rightwinger]

Only idiots think it is good

Only idiots want more government, hence you.

I want the right amount of government

If only you were capable of learning in your old age...

The worst evils which mankind has ever had to endure were inflicted by bad governments. The state can be and has often been in the course of history the main source of mischief and disaster.

The champions of socialism call themselves progressives, but they recommend a system which is characterized by rigid observance of routine and by a resistance to every kind of improvement. They call themselves liberals, but they are intent upon abolishing liberty. They call themselves democrats, but they yearn for dictatorship. They call themselves revolutionaries, but they want to make the government omnipotent. They promise the blessings of the Garden of Eden, but they plan to transform the world into a gigantic post office. Every man but one a subordinate clerk in a bureau. What an alluring utopia! What a noble cause to fight!

Sadly, your demented Armageddon does not apply to the US

WE, the People established a Government of the people, by the people and for the people

 

[rightwinger]

Last shutdown cost $26 Billion
You could build a wall for that much

And where does that money come from?

Not from the Republicans (Cruz, Gingrich, etc) who forced it to shut down.

Which of the RWNJs here would want to go without wages for weeks or months?

Let me explain how our system of government works:

Congress creates a budget or otherwise is in charge of spending. That spending has to be approved by the Senate and ultimately the President.

The job of Congress is to create spending, and anybody that stops that spending is the party responsible for a government shutdown.

The MSM will never tell you that. They are used to brainwashing to make people believe that Congress shut the government down. That's not so.

Its not just that Congress can't do its job and agree to a budget
They use the simple process of Continuing Resolution (maintain your current budget) as a weapon and shut down government as a monument to their ineptness

 

[Skull Pilot]

But you noticed when he was dead didn't you?

Not really, no. I didn't really know my grandfather, he lived 3 hours away, I was like 8 years old when he got Parkinson's.

The point here is that often people don't notice things that don't have an immediate impact on them. You might not have noticed the govt shut down, but you might have noticed things that were caused by the shutdown without associating them with the shut down.

It seems your grandfather's death had no impact on you so your analogy is poor

Not really. Of course it had an impact on me, but I didn't notice it. Seems to be about the same as what you said, the govt shut down, you didn't really notice it, but it would have had an impact on your life whether you noticed it or not.

If you didn't notice it had no impact.

I have relative I have never met. If they all died 10 minutes from now it would have no impact on me whatsoever

That's rubbish. Of course it had an impact. It had an impact on my mother, it had an impact on me because I would have gone to stay with him had he been alive, I might have got to know him, he might have changed my view on things. You seriously can't have such a shallow mind, can you?

Maybe might have would have could have yada yada

The fact is none of that happened you yourself said you didn't know the man. and you can't say for certain any of those maybe might haves would have come to be.

 

[Skull Pilot]

With the debt we have a downgrade would be good then we'd be denied loans

But we all know government doesn't operate under the same rules we peasants do

With the debt we have a downgrade would be good then we'd be denied loans

That's not the way it works. The downgrade raises the interest rate for repayment. It actually costs more to repay the debt.

Explain why that is good.

It means will won't be able to borrow as much and that is always good

But you can't borrow as much, but you pay the same as if you had more money. Er...

Anything that stops our addiction to borrowing is a good thing

But it DOESN'T stop the addiction, it just means you less of a fix but pay the same amount.

Withdrawal hurts.

 

[Skull Pilot]

That's not the way it works. The downgrade raises the interest rate for repayment. It actually costs more to repay the debt.

Explain why that is good.

It means will won't be able to borrow as much and that is always good

But you can't borrow as much, but you pay the same as if you had more money. Er...

Anything that stops our addiction to borrowing is a good thing

But it DOESN'T stop the addiction, it just means you less of a fix but pay the same amount.

Shutdowns accomplish nothing. They cause more harm than good. Why is this even a possibility in a Republican controlled Confgress?

What harm did the lase once cause the majority of people?

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The best thing about the government shutting down is it shows how much we really don't need it. If they want to shut it down, then shut it down. It doesn't change my life one bit. In fact, it could only make it better.

one of the main functions of the federal government is to organize for war....but we got twitter now

So let me ask everybody here. What would happen if we had a major shutdown that lasted for months, and nobody really knew the difference? Wouldn't that tell us something? Five or six months later, everybody is still doing fine.

everybody is still doing fine.

Except, of course, millions of federal employees who would not have an income over that period.

Dope.

Wrong dope. They all get paid, just a little bit later than their weekly paycheck. It's all retroactive unfortunately.

They get paid during the short shut downs and only if Congress has that in place before.
Now, if you had any competence with reading comprehension, you would see that the poster I responded to suggested a six month shutdown. Obviously it would not be possible to both be shut down and continuing payroll for such an extended duration.
Dope.

 

[Hutch Starskey]

It means will won't be able to borrow as much and that is always good

But you can't borrow as much, but you pay the same as if you had more money. Er...

Anything that stops our addiction to borrowing is a good thing

But it DOESN'T stop the addiction, it just means you less of a fix but pay the same amount.

Shutdowns accomplish nothing. They cause more harm than good. Why is this even a possibility in a Republican controlled Confgress?

What harm did the lase once cause the majority of people?

S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time

The better question is what benefit is gained by doing it at all?

 

[Skull Pilot]

But you can't borrow as much, but you pay the same as if you had more money. Er...

Anything that stops our addiction to borrowing is a good thing

But it DOESN'T stop the addiction, it just means you less of a fix but pay the same amount.

Shutdowns accomplish nothing. They cause more harm than good. Why is this even a possibility in a Republican controlled Confgress?

What harm did the lase once cause the majority of people?

S&P downgrades U.S. credit rating for first time

The better question is what benefit is gained by doing it at all?

The credit rating is meaningless.

And it makes sense that our credit rating gets downgraded. if a person carried as much debt as this country no one would lend him money

 

[Hutch Starskey]

The best thing about the government shutting down is it shows how much we really don't need it. If they want to shut it down, then shut it down. It doesn't change my life one bit. In fact, it could only make it better.

one of the main functions of the federal government is to organize for war....but we got twitter now

So let me ask everybody here. What would happen if we had a major shutdown that lasted for months, and nobody really knew the difference? Wouldn't that tell us something? Five or six months later, everybody is still doing fine.

everybody is still doing fine.

Except, of course, millions of federal employees who would not have an income over that period.

Dope.

Wrong dope. They all get paid, just a little bit later than their weekly paycheck. It's all retroactive unfortunately.

That does not really help people buy food or pay their rent or diapers for their babies while they are waiting for congress to do their job.

For most people, that point should be apparent. These dopes can't see past talking points.