Allowing Gays in the Military Would Be Unfair and Hurt Troop Morale

[ski87]

we live in a representative democracy...we vote for members of congress and for president and we give THEM the authority to make decisions on our behalf. The debate you spoke of was held in November of 2008. sorry.

Wow, thanks for the HS History lesson, I was speaking from an operations standpoint. My guys dont want fags around!!

Most active duty people are against repealing DADT, and i support them. But unless something happens soon (like in November 2010), you may find that the regulations get changed anyway, And that I believe will be a big mistake.

agreed.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Wow, thanks for the HS History lesson, I was speaking from an operations standpoint. My guys dont want fags around!!

Most active duty people are against repealing DADT, and i support them. But unless something happens soon (like in November 2010), you may find that the regulations get changed anyway, And that I believe will be a big mistake.

agreed.

Got a question for the stupid brothers.........

Do you think it's fair for a closeted gay soldier to be hit by an IED, put in a hospital, and not allow the partner who has been with them for 5 or more years to show up at the bedside of their partner?

Or receive the flag if they die?

Personally? I think that's criminal to not allow the people you love, whom you got injured or died for in defense of this country, to not be acknowledged by their nation and be told that the country was grateful for their service.

You want to keep DADT in place, just because you don't want to feel uncomfortable.

A bunch of soulless bastards, both you dumbSKI87 and Ollie the Pissed.

 

[ski87]

Most active duty people are against repealing DADT, and i support them. But unless something happens soon (like in November 2010), you may find that the regulations get changed anyway, And that I believe will be a big mistake.

agreed.

Got a question for the stupid brothers.........

Do you think it's fair for a closeted gay soldier to be hit by an IED, put in a hospital, and not allow the partner who has been with them for 5 or more years to show up at the bedside of their partner?

Or receive the flag if they die?

Personally? I think that's criminal to not allow the people you love, whom you got injured or died for in defense of this country, to not be acknowledged by their nation and be told that the country was grateful for their service.

You want to keep DADT in place, just because you don't want to feel uncomfortable.

A bunch of soulless bastards, both you dumbSKI87 and Ollie the Pissed.

Personally, I dont give a shit if they get their feelings hurt because they cant have their life partner by their bedside, its a volunteer force, dipshit. One thing civilians dont understand is that you cannot upset the operations tempo or disrupt the mission environment when deployed, when that happens, people get hurt or worse..killed. Having openly gay soldiers around would upset what is already a strenuous and demanding environment, we dont need that shit.

 

[SFC Ollie]

agreed.

Got a question for the stupid brothers.........

Do you think it's fair for a closeted gay soldier to be hit by an IED, put in a hospital, and not allow the partner who has been with them for 5 or more years to show up at the bedside of their partner?

Or receive the flag if they die?

Personally? I think that's criminal to not allow the people you love, whom you got injured or died for in defense of this country, to not be acknowledged by their nation and be told that the country was grateful for their service.

You want to keep DADT in place, just because you don't want to feel uncomfortable.

A bunch of soulless bastards, both you dumbSKI87 and Ollie the Pissed.

Personally, I dont give a shit if they get their feelings hurt because they cant have their life partner by their bedside, its a volunteer force, dipshit. One thing civilians dont understand is that you cannot upset the operations tempo or disrupt the mission environment when deployed, when that happens, people get hurt or worse..killed. Having openly gay soldiers around would upset what is already a strenuous and demanding environment, we dont need that shit.

Agreed, and don't mind gaybikerboy too much, he's still not gotten over that i placed him on ignore for stupidity.

 

[bodecea]

Openly gays serving in the military would be far too disruptive to the operational tempo of an organization. Should never be allowed. In a civilian environment, fine, should be debated.

we live in a representative democracy...we vote for members of congress and for president and we give THEM the authority to make decisions on our behalf. The debate you spoke of was held in November of 2008. sorry.

Wow, thanks for the HS History lesson, I was speaking from an operations standpoint. My guys dont want fags around!!

I'm willing to bet that they tell you that because they have picked up that that is what you want them to say.....

 

[bodecea]

agreed.

Got a question for the stupid brothers.........

Do you think it's fair for a closeted gay soldier to be hit by an IED, put in a hospital, and not allow the partner who has been with them for 5 or more years to show up at the bedside of their partner?

Or receive the flag if they die?

Personally? I think that's criminal to not allow the people you love, whom you got injured or died for in defense of this country, to not be acknowledged by their nation and be told that the country was grateful for their service.

You want to keep DADT in place, just because you don't want to feel uncomfortable.

A bunch of soulless bastards, both you dumbSKI87 and Ollie the Pissed.

Personally, I dont give a shit if they get their feelings hurt because they cant have their life partner by their bedside, its a volunteer force, dipshit. One thing civilians dont understand is that you cannot upset the operations tempo or disrupt the mission environment when deployed, when that happens, people get hurt or worse..killed. Having openly gay soldiers around would upset what is already a strenuous and demanding environment, we dont need that shit.

That pretty much says it right there. Karma being what it is....let us hope that the Fates aren't paying close attention to your post.

 

[bodecea]

Got a question for the stupid brothers.........

Do you think it's fair for a closeted gay soldier to be hit by an IED, put in a hospital, and not allow the partner who has been with them for 5 or more years to show up at the bedside of their partner?

Or receive the flag if they die?

Personally? I think that's criminal to not allow the people you love, whom you got injured or died for in defense of this country, to not be acknowledged by their nation and be told that the country was grateful for their service.

You want to keep DADT in place, just because you don't want to feel uncomfortable.

A bunch of soulless bastards, both you dumbSKI87 and Ollie the Pissed.

Personally, I dont give a shit if they get their feelings hurt because they cant have their life partner by their bedside, its a volunteer force, dipshit. One thing civilians dont understand is that you cannot upset the operations tempo or disrupt the mission environment when deployed, when that happens, people get hurt or worse..killed. Having openly gay soldiers around would upset what is already a strenuous and demanding environment, we dont need that shit.

Agreed, and don't mind gaybikerboy too much, he's still not gotten over that i placed him on ignore for stupidity.

Let's play a game....how many times in the next week will Ollie let us all know (besides his signature) that he has put someone on Ignore?


I'm gonna say 20 times.

 

[ski87]

we live in a representative democracy...we vote for members of congress and for president and we give THEM the authority to make decisions on our behalf. The debate you spoke of was held in November of 2008. sorry.

Wow, thanks for the HS History lesson, I was speaking from an operations standpoint. My guys dont want fags around!!

I'm willing to bet that they tell you that because they have picked up that that is what you want them to say.....

They've actually expressed this to me without even knowing my viewpoint, we're all in agreement that having openly gay soldiers in theater would be an unnecessary mission detractor and make life in close quarters extremely awkward.

 

[CurveLight]

What else did you do?

I was the Guidon Bearer, NBC NCO, and had a successful part time job in relocating special products from Mexico into the US.

Besides that. What was your collaterial job (or actually, flying was your collateral job) What was it you did on days or hours you were not flying?

I wasn't a pilot. A Crew Chief is a mechanic. I was responsible for the pilot's lives everytime they flew. If you knew anything about maintenance log books on a combat helicopter you would know it's not an easy job.

 

[CurveLight]

I was the Guidon Bearer, NBC NCO, and had a successful part time job in relocating special products from Mexico into the US.

Besides that. What was your collaterial job (or actually, flying was your collateral job) What was it you did on days or hours you were not flying?

Guidon Bearer........so you carried the flag of your company when you marched. I did that in boot camp.

NBC NCO........Nuclear, Biological and Chemical Warfare specialist. Did that on my first ship as a boot and was so good at it, they made it permanent on my collateral duties list.

Then......when I made some rank, I was working on the PRP team, which is responsible for the weapons that cause NBC NCO's to be required.

Not impressed.

I'm so sad. My entire life has been dedicated to hoping I could impress you.

 

[CurveLight]

agreed.

Got a question for the stupid brothers.........

Do you think it's fair for a closeted gay soldier to be hit by an IED, put in a hospital, and not allow the partner who has been with them for 5 or more years to show up at the bedside of their partner?

Or receive the flag if they die?

Personally? I think that's criminal to not allow the people you love, whom you got injured or died for in defense of this country, to not be acknowledged by their nation and be told that the country was grateful for their service.

You want to keep DADT in place, just because you don't want to feel uncomfortable.

A bunch of soulless bastards, both you dumbSKI87 and Ollie the Pissed.

Personally, I dont give a shit if they get their feelings hurt because they cant have their life partner by their bedside, its a volunteer force, dipshit. One thing civilians dont understand is that you cannot upset the operations tempo or disrupt the mission environment when deployed, when that happens, people get hurt or worse..killed. Having openly gay soldiers around would upset what is already a strenuous and demanding environment, we dont need that shit.

What does a voluntary military have to do with discrimination?

 

[ski87]

Got a question for the stupid brothers.........

Do you think it's fair for a closeted gay soldier to be hit by an IED, put in a hospital, and not allow the partner who has been with them for 5 or more years to show up at the bedside of their partner?

Or receive the flag if they die?

Personally? I think that's criminal to not allow the people you love, whom you got injured or died for in defense of this country, to not be acknowledged by their nation and be told that the country was grateful for their service.

You want to keep DADT in place, just because you don't want to feel uncomfortable.

A bunch of soulless bastards, both you dumbSKI87 and Ollie the Pissed.

Personally, I dont give a shit if they get their feelings hurt because they cant have their life partner by their bedside, its a volunteer force, dipshit. One thing civilians dont understand is that you cannot upset the operations tempo or disrupt the mission environment when deployed, when that happens, people get hurt or worse..killed. Having openly gay soldiers around would upset what is already a strenuous and demanding environment, we dont need that shit.

What does a voluntary military have to do with discrimination?

There is no draft, if they feel that there will be discrimination based upon their sexual orientation, they could elect NOT to enlist.....after all, the world needs flower arrangers too.

anymore brainbusters for me?

 

[bodecea]

I was the Guidon Bearer, NBC NCO, and had a successful part time job in relocating special products from Mexico into the US.

Besides that. What was your collaterial job (or actually, flying was your collateral job) What was it you did on days or hours you were not flying?

I wasn't a pilot. A Crew Chief is a mechanic. I was responsible for the pilot's lives everytime they flew. If you knew anything about maintenance log books on a combat helicopter you would know it's not an easy job.

Ok, in the Navy, to use the word "crew" means you are in the flight crew...like pilot, co-pilot, navigatior, tactical, loadmaster, flight engineer, etc.

We're set up differently. We have a Maintenance Dept. with different divisions such as the AMS/AMH which is Airframes. AD which is engines, AO (b b counters) which is ordnance, AE which is electrical, AT which was electronics, black boxes, etc. No one had one plane/helo assigned to them. We had a Maintenance Control and QA to control maintenance and quality assurance on any maintenance. And each Division/ Branch would have an Officer assigned but they were also pilots/navs. No one stays with one Division/Branch forever...as you moved up, you might go elsewhere...senior maintenance might go to Maintenance Control, QA, or even Troubleshooters (jack of all trades) And if you were a Petty Officer, you would have other collateral duties also every day.

 

[ABikerSailor]

Personally, I dont give a shit if they get their feelings hurt because they cant have their life partner by their bedside, its a volunteer force, dipshit. One thing civilians dont understand is that you cannot upset the operations tempo or disrupt the mission environment when deployed, when that happens, people get hurt or worse..killed. Having openly gay soldiers around would upset what is already a strenuous and demanding environment, we dont need that shit.

What does a voluntary military have to do with discrimination?

There is no draft, if they feel that there will be discrimination based upon their sexual orientation, they could elect NOT to enlist.....after all, the world needs flower arrangers too.

anymore brainbusters for me?

If you upset operations tempo or disrupt the mission, you get killed or hurt.

Absolutely right. But, what do you do when one of your men gets a letter from his old lady stating that she's gonna leave him and take the kids?

You realize that his head is not in the game because of the situation back home. You then offer encouragement and support to keep the person's head on a swivel, watching out for each of you, because if you're thinking about home, you might miss the terrorist taking a bead on your vehicle.

Absolutely true......you've got to keep your head in the game.

Now.......what if someone who is gay, and operating under DADT gets the same kind of letter? They're part of your squad, they are part of every deployment you do off base.

Under DADT, that person has to keep it all inside, and wouldn't be able to talk about what's troubling them, which could result in their head not being in the game.

See why DADT doesn't work, or are you gonna remain weapons grade stupid?

 

[Flaylo]

Wow, thanks for the HS History lesson, I was speaking from an operations standpoint. My guys dont want fags around!!

Most active duty people are against repealing DADT, and i support them. But unless something happens soon (like in November 2010), you may find that the regulations get changed anyway, And that I believe will be a big mistake.

agreed.

Since the squids think its fine to have openly serving gays maybe they should recruit and take them in, but not the Army. Most soldiers have already stated they don't want DADT repealed.

 

[Flaylo]

What does a voluntary military have to do with discrimination?

There is no draft, if they feel that there will be discrimination based upon their sexual orientation, they could elect NOT to enlist.....after all, the world needs flower arrangers too.

anymore brainbusters for me?

If you upset operations tempo or disrupt the mission, you get killed or hurt.

Absolutely right. But, what do you do when one of your men gets a letter from his old lady stating that she's gonna leave him and take the kids?

You realize that his head is not in the game because of the situation back home. You then offer encouragement and support to keep the person's head on a swivel, watching out for each of you, because if you're thinking about home, you might miss the terrorist taking a bead on your vehicle.

Absolutely true......you've got to keep your head in the game.

Now.......what if someone who is gay, and operating under DADT gets the same kind of letter? They're part of your squad, they are part of every deployment you do off base.

Under DADT, that person has to keep it all inside, and wouldn't be able to talk about what's troubling them, which could result in their head not being in the game.

See why DADT doesn't work, or are you gonna remain weapons grade stupid?

They best better adapt to the military and come up with a plan, heterosexual soldiers do the same thing, no one gets anything special.

 

[maineman]

Most active duty people are against repealing DADT, and i support them. But unless something happens soon (like in November 2010), you may find that the regulations get changed anyway, And that I believe will be a big mistake.

agreed.

Since the squids think its fine to have openly serving gays maybe they should recruit and take them in, but not the Army. Most soldiers have already stated they don't want DADT repealed.

since when was the military a democracy? who gives a shit what "most soldiers" state they want?

bottom line: in the not too distant future, you will be given an order to implement the repeal of DADT... either salute and follow orders like the professional that you CLAIM to be, or get the **** out.

Like I said earlier: either one of those decisions would be good for the Army.

 

[CurveLight]

Personally, I dont give a shit if they get their feelings hurt because they cant have their life partner by their bedside, its a volunteer force, dipshit. One thing civilians dont understand is that you cannot upset the operations tempo or disrupt the mission environment when deployed, when that happens, people get hurt or worse..killed. Having openly gay soldiers around would upset what is already a strenuous and demanding environment, we dont need that shit.

What does a voluntary military have to do with discrimination?

There is no draft, if they feel that there will be discrimination based upon their sexual orientation, they could elect NOT to enlist.....after all, the world needs flower arrangers too.

anymore brainbusters for me?

Too bad you don't live in America or have ever read the Constitution. If you did you would understand we were built on the principles of equality and that discrimination is not condoned nor justified by voluntarily working for the government.

 

[CurveLight]

Besides that. What was your collaterial job (or actually, flying was your collateral job) What was it you did on days or hours you were not flying?

I wasn't a pilot. A Crew Chief is a mechanic. I was responsible for the pilot's lives everytime they flew. If you knew anything about maintenance log books on a combat helicopter you would know it's not an easy job.

Ok, in the Navy, to use the word "crew" means you are in the flight crew...like pilot, co-pilot, navigatior, tactical, loadmaster, flight engineer, etc.

We're set up differently. We have a Maintenance Dept. with different divisions such as the AMS/AMH which is Airframes. AD which is engines, AO (b b counters) which is ordnance, AE which is electrical, AT which was electronics, black boxes, etc. No one had one plane/helo assigned to them. We had a Maintenance Control and QA to control maintenance and quality assurance on any maintenance. And each Division/ Branch would have an Officer assigned but they were also pilots/navs. No one stays with one Division/Branch forever...as you moved up, you might go elsewhere...senior maintenance might go to Maintenance Control, QA, or even Troubleshooters (jack of all trades) And if you were a Petty Officer, you would have other collateral duties also every day.

We had a similar set up but the crew chief was responsible for choppers from top to bottom. We had to call in avionics, armament, etc for certain jobs.

 

[bodecea]

I wasn't a pilot. A Crew Chief is a mechanic. I was responsible for the pilot's lives everytime they flew. If you knew anything about maintenance log books on a combat helicopter you would know it's not an easy job.

Ok, in the Navy, to use the word "crew" means you are in the flight crew...like pilot, co-pilot, navigatior, tactical, loadmaster, flight engineer, etc.

We're set up differently. We have a Maintenance Dept. with different divisions such as the AMS/AMH which is Airframes. AD which is engines, AO (b b counters) which is ordnance, AE which is electrical, AT which was electronics, black boxes, etc. No one had one plane/helo assigned to them. We had a Maintenance Control and QA to control maintenance and quality assurance on any maintenance. And each Division/ Branch would have an Officer assigned but they were also pilots/navs. No one stays with one Division/Branch forever...as you moved up, you might go elsewhere...senior maintenance might go to Maintenance Control, QA, or even Troubleshooters (jack of all trades) And if you were a Petty Officer, you would have other collateral duties also every day.

We had a similar set up but the crew chief was responsible for choppers from top to bottom. We had to call in avionics, armament, etc for certain jobs.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but those are set up as separate squadrons or units, right?