All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss

[rylah]

You see you Zionists? Before 1948 the Palestinians were a gentle peace loving people who treated the Jewish minority well. And if you don't believe me, just ask Billo.

1929 Hebron massacre - Wikipedia

Riots started by Zionists.

From your link...
In mid-August 1929, hundreds of Jewish nationalists marched to the Western Wall in Jerusalem shouting slogans such as The Wall is Ours and raising the Jewish national flag.
​

You really are selfish bastards.

And what about the Jews who were saved by Arab families?

From your link...
Around 435 Jews, or two-thirds of the community, survived. Most were reportedly saved by Arab families...​

What was so wrong about Jews shouting, the most apparent thing I must say, that the "Wall is theirs", that would constitute enough justification to murder?

 

[rylah]

RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

"The Three Oaths" are relating to a civilization and culture that has evolved several times since

181 was a non-binding resolution.

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is correct. It was an optional political offer for the establishment of Independence. The Israelis took-up the offer, and (like several times before) the Arab Palestinians declined the offer.

The Israelis have crafted something of the recommendations, the Arab Palestinians did not even try.

You cannot exercise your right of self-determination, by stripping away the same right from another group.
.

(COMMENT)

That is correct, the Arab Palestinians did not make and effort toward self-determination; but instead - tried to restrain The Jews from exercising their Right to Self-Determination in the creation of Israel (The Jewish National Home; the original intent of the Allied Powers.).

The creation of the state of Israel violates THE THREE OATHS.

(COMMENT)

(REFERENCES)

✦ One, that Israel should not storm the wall [RaShI interprets: forcefully].
✦ Two, the Holy One made Israel take an oath not to rebel against the nations of the world.
✦ Three, the Holy One made the nations vow that they would not oppress Israel too much".​

I really don't see a problem; not that it matters.

◈ Again, the Arab Palestinians were not a party to the Oath.
◈ The Israelis of today made no such obligation the the Arab Palestinians or any Arab League Nation existing today.
◈ The Israelis of today, have Treaties that cover both the land of Gaza and the land of the West Bank.​

Arabs in Israel are treated like 2nd class citizens.

(COMMENT)

I cannot speak for the Arab-Israeli citizens.

What I think is that just as I grew up during a time when I was afraid of

And finally, an occupational force cannot claim self defense.

(COMMENT)

Now, what international law are you citing in this claim? I can cite you the exact law that punishes the Arab Palestinians for doing harm to:

◈ The Occupying Power,
◈ An attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration,
◈ Present a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property
◈ Present a grave collective danger or seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations.
◈ Arab Palestinians that are guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power
◈ Occupying Power through the intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons,​

In fact, YOU are dangerously close to incitement when YOU claim that the Occupation Force (Israelis) cannot defend themselves against attacks and assaults by the Protected Person (Arab Palestinians).

Attempting to suggest terms the incitement of terrorist acts and repudiating attempts at the justification or glorification (apologie) of terrorist acts that may incite further terrorist acts.

1. Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
(b) Prevent such conduct;
(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible
and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been
guilty of such conduct;​

3. Calls upon all States to continue international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations, in an effort to prevent the indiscriminate targeting of different religions and cultures, and to take all measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to counter incitement of terrorist acts motivated by extremism and intolerance and to prevent the subversion of educational, cultural, and religious institutions by terrorists and their supporters;​

Most Respectfully,
R

The three oaths state Israel is not to be created until God comes back down to earth. And Jews are to remain in exile until then.

Only as long as nations don't subjugate Israel too much.
And the three oaths are not Jewish law as some would like You to believe, they're an allegoric story.
While Jewish law does list as obligatory to dwell and inherit the land for next generations, no law says Jews can't have a state.

 

[Sixties Fan]

Why Does America Spend So Much on Israel?

 

[Sixties Fan]

The Debate Link: "From the River to the Sea": A Guide to the Perplexed

 

[Sixties Fan]

In the latest puerile and asinine op-ed from The New York Times about Jews and Judaism, novelist Michael David Lukas seeks to dampen the joyous energy of the festival of Hanukkah by adding a bummer liberal twist. In Hanukkah, he claims, we are celebrating the defeat of the pallbearers of Western culture at the hands of intolerant fundamentalist guerrillas. The Maccabees, he essentially argues, were a bunch of rightwing nuts. It’s just an “eight-night-long celebration of religious fundamentalism and violence” he declares, one based not on doughnuts or menorahs, but on “subjugating assimilated Jews.”

Lukas isn’t the first to make this silly claim.

(full article online)

An ignorant ‘New York Times’ trashes the Maccabees

 

[Sixties Fan]

[ Why do some people get some facts wrong, no matter what it is, if it is connected with Israel ? ]

BBC misleads young audiences on Middle East geography

 

[Sixties Fan]

RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
※→ Billo_Really, et al,

"The Three Oaths" are relating to a civilization and culture that has evolved several times since

181 was a non-binding resolution.

(COMMENT)

Yes, that is correct. It was an optional political offer for the establishment of Independence. The Israelis took-up the offer, and (like several times before) the Arab Palestinians declined the offer.

The Israelis have crafted something of the recommendations, the Arab Palestinians did not even try.

You cannot exercise your right of self-determination, by stripping away the same right from another group.
.

(COMMENT)

That is correct, the Arab Palestinians did not make and effort toward self-determination; but instead - tried to restrain The Jews from exercising their Right to Self-Determination in the creation of Israel (The Jewish National Home; the original intent of the Allied Powers.).

The creation of the state of Israel violates THE THREE OATHS.

(COMMENT)

(REFERENCES)

✦ One, that Israel should not storm the wall [RaShI interprets: forcefully].
✦ Two, the Holy One made Israel take an oath not to rebel against the nations of the world.
✦ Three, the Holy One made the nations vow that they would not oppress Israel too much".​

I really don't see a problem; not that it matters.

◈ Again, the Arab Palestinians were not a party to the Oath.
◈ The Israelis of today made no such obligation the the Arab Palestinians or any Arab League Nation existing today.
◈ The Israelis of today, have Treaties that cover both the land of Gaza and the land of the West Bank.​

Arabs in Israel are treated like 2nd class citizens.

(COMMENT)

I cannot speak for the Arab-Israeli citizens.

What I think is that just as I grew up during a time when I was afraid of

And finally, an occupational force cannot claim self defense.

(COMMENT)

Now, what international law are you citing in this claim? I can cite you the exact law that punishes the Arab Palestinians for doing harm to:

◈ The Occupying Power,
◈ An attempt on the life or limb of members of the occupying forces or administration,
◈ Present a grave collective danger, nor seriously damage the property
◈ Present a grave collective danger or seriously damage the property of the occupying forces or administration or the installations.
◈ Arab Palestinians that are guilty of espionage, of serious acts of sabotage against the military installations of the Occupying Power
◈ Occupying Power through the intentional offences which have caused the death of one or more persons,​

In fact, YOU are dangerously close to incitement when YOU claim that the Occupation Force (Israelis) cannot defend themselves against attacks and assaults by the Protected Person (Arab Palestinians).

Attempting to suggest terms the incitement of terrorist acts and repudiating attempts at the justification or glorification (apologie) of terrorist acts that may incite further terrorist acts.

1. Calls upon all States to adopt such measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to:

(a) Prohibit by law incitement to commit a terrorist act or acts;
(b) Prevent such conduct;
(c) Deny safe haven to any persons with respect to whom there is credible
and relevant information giving serious reasons for considering that they have been
guilty of such conduct;​

3. Calls upon all States to continue international efforts to enhance dialogue and broaden understanding among civilizations, in an effort to prevent the indiscriminate targeting of different religions and cultures, and to take all measures as may be necessary and appropriate and in accordance with their obligations under international law to counter incitement of terrorist acts motivated by extremism and intolerance and to prevent the subversion of educational, cultural, and religious institutions by terrorists and their supporters;​

Most Respectfully,
R

The three oaths state Israel is not to be created until God comes back down to earth. And Jews are to remain in exile until then.

You are definitely reading the Christian New Testament.
Which has nothing to do with Judaism and the Jewish Messiah.

In Judaism, the Messiah is a human being, like any other, who will be born and free Israel from whoever has conquered it at the time.

You know.....just as it happened with the Maccabees freeing Israel from the Greeks and the Persians.

You know.....Channukah

And there is absolutely nothing, and there has never been, about Jews being allowed to return to their homeland and live in it, whether they have sovereignty over it or not.

 

[Sixties Fan]

And where was UNIFIL all this time?
In the image below, the UNIFIL watchtower is indicated by the white circle, just hundreds of meters from where the tunnel ended.



Clearly, Hezbollah is not afraid of UNIFIL.
And why should they be?

(full article online)

Where Was UNIFIL While Hezbollah Was Digging Its Terror Tunnel? (Daled Amos) ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

"Don't piss off Muslims" is official EU security policy ~ Elder Of Ziyon - Israel News

 

[Sixties Fan]

The terror organization's leader Nasrallah has spoken about seizing the Israeli Galilee long before the IDF launched Operation Northern Shield on Tuesday; the plan entails elite Hezbollah fighters infiltrating Israel, entrenching themselves in Israeli communities near the border and taking hostages.

(full article online)

Hezbollahs plan to conquer the Galilee

 

[Sixties Fan]

Hezbollah Terrorist Caught on Camera

 

[Sixties Fan]

Past MEMRI Reports: Lebanese Press On Hizbullah Tunneling Into Israel

 

[P F Tinmore]

The Debate Link: "From the River to the Sea": A Guide to the Perplexed

Thanks, good post.

SINGLE DEMOCRATIC STATE IN PALESTINE:EQUALITY FOR ALL

 

[rylah]

The Debate Link: "From the River to the Sea": A Guide to the Perplexed

Thanks, good post.

SINGLE DEMOCRATIC STATE IN PALESTINE:EQUALITY FOR ALL

Are You really trying to convince me I give up Israel, for some utopia of equality and democracy in an Arab majority state??

Been there, done that. No such animal exists.
Hence Israel.

 

[RoccoR]

RE: All The News Anti-Israel Posters Will Not Read Or Discuss
⁜→ et al,

I respectfully disagree with your conclusion; although apparently, we appreciated the same article.

The Debate Link: "From the River to the Sea": A Guide to the Perplexed

Thanks, good post.

SINGLE DEMOCRATIC STATE IN PALESTINE:EQUALITY FOR ALL

(COMMENT)

It is my belief that the amalgamation of all the people within the former Mandate Boundaries would spell the end of the Jewish National Home.

Israel is a is the much more prosperous → much more socially and economically developed than any country in all of → Africa, any country in the Middle East, Central Asia (including Russia), South Asia, and Southeast Asia. You could draw a line from St Petersburg to Istanbul, to either Johannesburg → or Bali, → or Beijing and not intersect a country that is more socially, or economically developed.

Israel is the Crown Jewel in the Region. And as happened so many times in history, less developed, less financially sound and less capable want to create a reason to break-down that shining star in what otherwise would amount to the morally bankrupt, justice baeron, and needy countries of the world. If Israel was to be assimilated into the lesser developed nations of the region, the Arabs Palestinian would swarm in like Locust and Piranha --- stripping the land clean and tearing away all the flesh off of that country.

The Arab - Israel conflict is not about the "Right of Return" or "Territorial Integrity," or the thousand other excuses used to claim the land. It is about what riches, profit, and power the Arab Palestinian (and potentially other given an opportunity) in the breakup value (piece by piece).


Most Respectfully,
R

 

[Hollie]

The Debate Link: "From the River to the Sea": A Guide to the Perplexed

Thanks, good post.

SINGLE DEMOCRATIC STATE IN PALESTINE:EQUALITY FOR ALL

That's nonsensical. Firstly, at no time in Islamist history have Arabs-Moslems treated non-moslems as equals. There is nothing in islamist ideology that allows for the freedoms of expression and religion and standards of equality, tolerance, personal freedoms and rule of law that are the hallmarks of western society. Yet, we are barraged with charges of bigotry and racism™ when we reject such conditions as “honor” killings, misogynistic treatment of women and an all-consuming politico-religious ideology that Moslems believe must be imposed on all.

 

[Sixties Fan]

London, Berlin condemn Hezbollah tunnels, back Israeli border operation

 

[Sixties Fan]

According to a senior IDF officer, the operation, which is expected to last several weeks, has caught Hezbollah off guard and has very much embarrassed the Shi’ite militia.

“We caught Hezbollah unprepared for this event,” said the officer, “[Hezbollah Secretary-General Hassan] Nasrallah is very embarrassed. Yesterday morning, workers were still arriving to work on the tunnels, but as soon as the operation was publicized, they fled from all the digging sites,” he added.

(full article online)

IDF Estimates a Dozen Hezbollah Tunnels Cross Into Israel

 

[Sixties Fan]

Watch: Every 3rd home in Lebanon

Every 3rd Home in Lebanon

 

[Sixties Fan]

European Jewish Congress: 'Unprecedented declaration' in fight against anti-Semitism