Alabama moves to eliminate marriage licenses

[Syriusly]

The government should have never been involved in the marriage business to begin with. All financial and medical planning could have been done by contract. The nonmarriage contract could be enforced or dissolved like any other contract. Tax credits were just a fast, lazy way to favor a certain pet here and there. The tax code is ridiculously complicated anyway, so those could be tossed as far as I am concerned. I've always believed it sketchy to subject the people to laws most legislators don't understand, much less laypeople.

I think they should name this new process/bill/contract/whatever "Rainbow" something or some name that says FU. It would be fitting IMO and a clear reminder of why we're here now. If it turns out to be a massive improvement, thank you rainbows. If it is a disaster, why did those sore losers take their ball and go home knowing it would destroy the field? I've got that kind of sense of humor, though.

You have to understand that the left would have found another way to make gay people victims of right wing Christian republicans.

The democrats are not interested in getting any solution. They are only interested in dividing, conquering, and sustaining power.

To hell with anyone that gets in their way. They have figured out how to do it. Not by violence but through seductive speech, false promises and scapegoating. They need people with a lot to lose. The more the democrats GIVE THEM the more RELIANT they become. The more RELIANT the more they are owned.

All of these pieces of brainwashed shit that post here know I am right too. They are too pathetic to admit it.

Have you ever been right about anything? I don't think so.

As a Democrat- I am fine with States accepting marriage contracts or whatever- as long as they accept them for straights and gays, blacks and whites, Christians and Jews- for everyone allowed under the law- then I don't care how any state decides to record marriages.

You butthurt Conservatives will still find time to whine about how terrible it is for you that gays are getting married.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Alabama Moves to Eliminate Marriage Licenses

Good. I GUARANTEE the butt fucker hate brigade will attack this with ALL its might because what they TRULY want is the state to be forced to recognize their disgusting idea of marriage! GOOD JOB ALABAMA! Let the ignorant tirades and hate filled comments against Alabama and Southerns begin!

It won't allow Alabama to ignore the civil rights of married couples including those married outside of Alabama.

 

[Preacher]

Alabama Moves to Eliminate Marriage Licenses

Good. I GUARANTEE the butt fucker hate brigade will attack this with ALL its might because what they TRULY want is the state to be forced to recognize their disgusting idea of marriage! GOOD JOB ALABAMA! Let the ignorant tirades and hate filled comments against Alabama and Southerns begin!

It won't allow Alabama to ignore the civil rights of married couples including those married outside of Alabama.

It won't recognize ANY marriage. Because in Alabama once this does pass there won't be any such thing as a marriage license its a contract just like any other contract but no judge or clerk has to approve it. So assume ones from other states will just have to be treated the same way. Since they are ALREADY "married" it really don't matter.

 

[WorldWatcher]

It won't recognize ANY marriage. Because in Alabama once this does pass there won't be any such thing as a marriage license its a contract just like any other contract but no judge or clerk has to approve it. So assume ones from other states will just have to be treated the same way. Since they are ALREADY "married" it really don't matter.

Of course there will still be Civil Marriage in Alabama.

They are not changing the existence of Civil Marriage they are changing the method under which couples enter into it.

1. Before - State issues license, couple has civil or religoius person utter some words, individual signs license, license is returned and registered with county Probate Judge.

2. After - Couple obtains a standard form from the government or downloads and prints it from a government website, couple signs and gets the document signed by a notary, couple files document with county Probate Judge.​

At the end of #1 they are married. At the end of #2 they are married. Same outcome, just a different way of achieving the same result.


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[IsaacNewton]

Alabama Moves to Eliminate Marriage Licenses

Good. I GUARANTEE the butt fucker hate brigade will attack this with ALL its might because what they TRULY want is the state to be forced to recognize their disgusting idea of marriage! GOOD JOB ALABAMA! Let the ignorant tirades and hate filled comments against Alabama and Southerns begin!

Wow, if this catches on in all the Red states we could be rid of the morons of the south in a generation.

Yeah Alabammer.

 

[koshergrl]

Alabama Moves to Eliminate Marriage Licenses

Good. I GUARANTEE the butt fucker hate brigade will attack this with ALL its might because what they TRULY want is the state to be forced to recognize their disgusting idea of marriage! GOOD JOB ALABAMA! Let the ignorant tirades and hate filled comments against Alabama and Southerns begin!

Yeah I figured this was coming. We don't need the state to authorize marriage.

 

[koshergrl]

Good the government should not be in the marriage business to begin with.
Why should you need the government's approval to get married, not to mention paying them for the privilege.

Sad for those who do not get a marriage license....their divorces and child custodies and survivor benefit situations are going to be rather interesting.

That's a matter of personal responsibility. Wills and separation, are issues one can prepare for, without a governmental, cookie-cutter, indiscriminate, "safety net".
It requires one to take not only responsibility; but to take action, as well...

No, it's not.

It's the simple fact of the advantages built in to the system for 2 person partnerships with proper documentation. Your legal spouse can do things to and for you that no other family member can.

Simple recognition by the state is NOT too much to ask.

Crock of shit. You can make a contract that takes care of any *special* things that you claim a marriage contract via the state automatically confers.

It's going to fuck with the tax men though, and that's a good thing too.

We're back to getting married in secret, in the woods, behind the sheriff's back..just like they did in the days of William Wallace..and Robin Hood! Lololol...That's what happens when you have a corrupt tyrannical government. Eventually the people just start ignoring them, doing what they want, and eventually killing them.

 

[Nosmo King]

What about divorces? Will Alabama hand that off to churches too? What about paternity lawsuits? Where's the marriage license? What about tax status, passports, insurance policies?

Alabama did this without thinking it through thoroughly, but that's no surprise where religious idiots have a say in secular government.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Alabama Moves to Eliminate Marriage Licenses

Good. I GUARANTEE the butt fucker hate brigade will attack this with ALL its might because what they TRULY want is the state to be forced to recognize their disgusting idea of marriage! GOOD JOB ALABAMA! Let the ignorant tirades and hate filled comments against Alabama and Southerns begin!

It won't allow Alabama to ignore the civil rights of married couples including those married outside of Alabama.

It won't recognize ANY marriage. Because in Alabama once this does pass there won't be any such thing as a marriage license its a contract just like any other contract but no judge or clerk has to approve it. So assume ones from other states will just have to be treated the same way. Since they are ALREADY "married" it really don't matter.

There are federal laws related marriage.

 

[NYcarbineer]

Here's all you need to know about Alabama and marriage (note the date)

Alabama considers lifting interracial marriage ban


CNN - Alabama considers lifting interracial marriage ban - March 12, 1999

lol

 

[bendog]

This would change nothing, except that court clerks wouldn't sing marriage licenses. Gays still get married, and so do straights. Gays and straights get divorced in court, and child support and estate division gets ordered. This isn't victory for homophobes. Alabama would be saying "OK, we give up!" LOL

 

[WorldWatcher]

Crock of shit. You can make a contract that takes care of any *special* things that you claim a marriage contract via the state automatically confers.

The above is a false statement:

1. A contract does not provide for the tax free transfer of real property to a spouse when the other spouse is deceased and relief from the resulting tax liabilities. Only Civil Marriage does that.

2. A contract does not allow for exemption from the Estate Tax applicable to the sale of a primary home, only Civil Marriage does that. (When a home is sold a single person can claim up to $250,000 in an exemption, $500,000 for a Civilly Married couple. When one spouse dies the surviving spouse can still claim the married exemption for up to two years after the death if the home is sold.)

3. A contract cannot provide for a spousal privilege in the case of a criminal prosecution. Only a Civil Marriage does that.

4. A contract cannot provide for a spouse to be buried in a National Cemetery next to a spouse who was an honorably serving veteran of the United States. Only a Civil Marriage does that.

5. A contract does not convey parenthood upon the birth of a child. Civil Marriage does, for non-Civilly Married couples it would require a formal adoption costing hundreds if not thousands of dollars.

6. A contract does not establish a family relationship recognized under the Family Medical Leave Act so that a person can care for their spouse (or be cared for by them) in times of medical emergency. Only a Civil Marriage does that.

7. A contract cannot waive the tax penalty for employer provided health insurance for a partner, only Civil Marriage does that. (When a person is covered under "family" health insurance and the employer pays part of the premium, the the employee must claim the employer portion as income and pay taxes on it. For the spouse in a civil marriage that does not happen.)

8. A contract does not establish a family relationship under Social Security whereby the surviving spouse can receive benefits at the working spouses rate if higher then their own. Only Civil Marriage does that.

9. A contract does not establish a family relationship where a spouse can then sponsor their spouse for immigration purposes. Only Civil Marriage does that.

10. A contract does not establish a family relationship to considered a spouse for member of the military. Only a Civil Marriage does that.​

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[WorldWatcher]

What about divorces? Will Alabama hand that off to churches too? What about paternity lawsuits? Where's the marriage license? What about tax status, passports, insurance policies?

Alabama did this without thinking it through thoroughly, but that's no surprise where religious idiots have a say in secular government.

1. Alabama didn't hand Civil Marriage off to the Churches. The bill would have eliminated marriage licenses issued by the state to the completion of a contract and filing it with the state. The outcome is still Civil Marriage and all the other aspects of Civil Marriage in Alabama would have remained intact. Don't believe the OP's title.

2. The bill failed.


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[Seawytch]

I love how Alabama looks over this.

Me too. I think this is a first.

No, Alabama has always been regressive and bigoted.

 

[koshergrl]

This would change nothing, except that court clerks wouldn't sing marriage licenses. Gays still get married, and so do straights. Gays and straights get divorced in court, and child support and estate division gets ordered. This isn't victory for homophobes. Alabama would be saying "OK, we give up!" LOL

You misunderstand. Nobody gives a shit if homos get married. But we will not be FORCED to marry them or FORCED to endorse their marriages.

They can do whatever they want. They just can't make us participate. And we won't. And we haven't.

 

[Vastator]

I was referring to Bukaki and I agreeing on something...

 

[Preacher]

It won't recognize ANY marriage. Because in Alabama once this does pass there won't be any such thing as a marriage license its a contract just like any other contract but no judge or clerk has to approve it. So assume ones from other states will just have to be treated the same way. Since they are ALREADY "married" it really don't matter.

Of course there will still be Civil Marriage in Alabama.

They are not changing the existence of Civil Marriage they are changing the method under which couples enter into it.

1. Before - State issues license, couple has civil or religoius person utter some words, individual signs license, license is returned and registered with county Probate Judge.

2. After - Couple obtains a standard form from the government or downloads and prints it from a government website, couple signs and gets the document signed by a notary, couple files document with county Probate Judge.​

At the end of #1 they are married. At the end of #2 they are married. Same outcome, just a different way of achieving the same result.


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Pretty much same result minus forcing ANYONE to sign a document approving of YOUR marriage.

Alabama Moves to Eliminate Marriage Licenses

Good. I GUARANTEE the butt fucker hate brigade will attack this with ALL its might because what they TRULY want is the state to be forced to recognize their disgusting idea of marriage! GOOD JOB ALABAMA! Let the ignorant tirades and hate filled comments against Alabama and Southerns begin!

It won't allow Alabama to ignore the civil rights of married couples including those married outside of Alabama.

It won't recognize ANY marriage. Because in Alabama once this does pass there won't be any such thing as a marriage license its a contract just like any other contract but no judge or clerk has to approve it. So assume ones from other states will just have to be treated the same way. Since they are ALREADY "married" it really don't matter.

There are federal laws related marriage.

And? No one cares. Marriage is never mentioned in constitution therefore its a states issue not federal. NOTHING the feds can do about this.

Here's all you need to know about Alabama and marriage (note the date)

Alabama considers lifting interracial marriage ban


CNN - Alabama considers lifting interracial marriage ban - March 12, 1999

lol

Too bad. Should have kept it in place and arrested some offenders.

This would change nothing, except that court clerks wouldn't sing marriage licenses. Gays still get married, and so do straights. Gays and straights get divorced in court, and child support and estate division gets ordered. This isn't victory for homophobes. Alabama would be saying "OK, we give up!" LOL

Precisely. Only thing it changes really is NO ONE has to sign their name to a document giving 2 butt fuckers or 2 carpet munchers the right to "marry".

 

[the_human_being]

It won't recognize ANY marriage. Because in Alabama once this does pass there won't be any such thing as a marriage license its a contract just like any other contract but no judge or clerk has to approve it. So assume ones from other states will just have to be treated the same way. Since they are ALREADY "married" it really don't matter.

Of course there will still be Civil Marriage in Alabama.

They are not changing the existence of Civil Marriage they are changing the method under which couples enter into it.

1. Before - State issues license, couple has civil or religoius person utter some words, individual signs license, license is returned and registered with county Probate Judge.

2. After - Couple obtains a standard form from the government or downloads and prints it from a government website, couple signs and gets the document signed by a notary, couple files document with county Probate Judge.​

At the end of #1 they are married. At the end of #2 they are married. Same outcome, just a different way of achieving the same result.


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What is achieved and is a win though is the fact that there will be no need for a marriage ceremony to be performed by a pastor, justice of the peace, judge, notary republic, etc. thus protecting such folks from lawsuits by gays attempting to force such to perform the ceremonies against their wills.

 

[bendog]

It won't recognize ANY marriage. Because in Alabama once this does pass there won't be any such thing as a marriage license its a contract just like any other contract but no judge or clerk has to approve it. So assume ones from other states will just have to be treated the same way. Since they are ALREADY "married" it really don't matter.

Of course there will still be Civil Marriage in Alabama.

They are not changing the existence of Civil Marriage they are changing the method under which couples enter into it.

1. Before - State issues license, couple has civil or religoius person utter some words, individual signs license, license is returned and registered with county Probate Judge.

2. After - Couple obtains a standard form from the government or downloads and prints it from a government website, couple signs and gets the document signed by a notary, couple files document with county Probate Judge.​

At the end of #1 they are married. At the end of #2 they are married. Same outcome, just a different way of achieving the same result.


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I think that is right.

Alabama marriage contract bill 'to bring order out of chaos' gets OK

 

[bendog]

This would change nothing, except that court clerks wouldn't sing marriage licenses. Gays still get married, and so do straights. Gays and straights get divorced in court, and child support and estate division gets ordered. This isn't victory for homophobes. Alabama would be saying "OK, we give up!" LOL

You misunderstand. Nobody gives a shit if homos get married. But we will not be FORCED to marry them or FORCED to endorse their marriages.

They can do whatever they want. They just can't make us participate. And we won't. And we haven't.

Actually, the bill "would force" someone at the probate office to file the contract. It would save the homophobes like Davis from issuing anything. In short, the state would still be forced to accept gay marriage, and divorce courts would have to treat all equally.

The bill failed, but I guess it'll pass in the next regular session.