Al-Qaeda Chief Calls For Attacks On US

[Sunni Man]

Tell us of the thriving Jewish populations in any single Moslem majority nation anywhere in the islamist Middle East.

Iran has the second largest Jewish population after Israel in the Middle East. ..

 

[Osomir]

So do tell us of the status of christianity in Egypt, for example, once a majority Christian nation.

Coptic Christians remained highly influential throughout the region's history even under Islamic rule, so I'm not sure how their community supports your point. The current sectarian tensions haven't been the historical trend for Egypt.

Tell us of the thriving Jewish populations in any single Moslem majority nation anywhere in the islamist Middle East.

There used to be many prior to the formation of Israel. Once again you ignore historical trends for the simplicity of current circumstance.

 

[Osomir]

Does not support your fiction of an alleged "Arab Empire."

It isn't a fiction, and yes it does. Up until the Abbasids much of the region's empire was Arab ethno-centric.

Umayyads for example were larger on family members and ethnic Arabs than they were on Muslims and appointed many non-Muslims to important administrative positions. They didn't even used to allow non-Arabs into their military forces regardless of what faith they were.

The Umayyads were a family based Arab Empire and employed non-Muslims from their clan family in many senior posts.

 

[Hollie]

It's comically tragic that you suggest Qutb "invented" a reformed version of islamist ideology.

He was one of the most prominent utilizes of Itjihad since the formal schools of thought closed the practice of Itjihad around the 14th century.

I'm not sure what is "tragic" about stating that, nor have you offered up any counter arguments for my stances other than personal attacks.

What's tragic is your inability to reconcile the ideology of Qutb as anything other than a continuation of classical, militant islamist ideology.

 

[Sunni Man]

So do tell us of the status of christianity in Egypt, for example, once a majority Christian nation.

When exactly was Egypt ever a majority Christian nation?? ..

 

[Osomir]

What's tragic is your inability to reconcile the ideology of Qutb as anything other than a continuation of classical, militant islamist ideology.

It wasn't a simple continuation of anything though. It's one reason why he became such a famous ideological head for Jihadists and such a big name in terrorism. They wouldn't have needed someone like him if it was simply a "continuation of Islam". In fact terrorist organizations wouldn't need ideological heads at all if what you are suggesting were true, yet they do need them otherwise Osama bin Laden would have been a nobody.

 

[Hollie]

So do tell us of the status of christianity in Egypt, for example, once a majority Christian nation.

Coptic Christians remained highly influential throughout the region's history even under Islamic rule, so I'm not sure how their community supports your point. The current sectarian tensions haven't been the historical trend for Egypt.

Tell us of the thriving Jewish populations in any single Moslem majority nation anywhere in the islamist Middle East.

There used to be many prior to the formation of Israel. Once again you ignore historical trends for the simplicity of current circumstance.

Coptic Christians are on the verge of disappearing from Egypt.

So, tell us of those thriving Jewish populations anywhere in the islamist Middle East.

 

[Osomir]

So do tell us of the status of christianity in Egypt, for example, once a majority Christian nation.

When exactly was Egypt ever a majority Christian nation?? ..

It used to be administered by the Byzantines who had Christianity as a state religion, but you're right, that didn't mean that the majority of the population was Christian.

One interesting thing related to that though was that the Byzantine Empire persecuted Coptic Christians in Egypt.

 

[Osomir]

Coptic Christians are on the verge of disappearing from Egypt.

So, tell us of those thriving Jewish populations anywhere in the islamist Middle East.

Once again, ignoring historical trends over the span of over a thousand years simply for the simplicity of current circumstance is dishonest. Judaism used to be the second largest religious group under Umayyad rule in Iraq for example.

 

[Sunni Man]

So, tell us of those thriving Jewish populations anywhere in the islamist Middle East.

Just google 'Iranian Jews' and your question will be answered Poindexter. ..

 

[Hollie]

What's tragic is your inability to reconcile the ideology of Qutb as anything other than a continuation of classical, militant islamist ideology.

It wasn't a simple continuation of anything though. It's one reason why he became such a famous ideological head for Jihadists and such a big name in terrorism. They wouldn't have needed someone like him if it was simply a "continuation of Islam". In fact terrorist organizations wouldn't need ideological heads at all if what you are suggesting were true, yet they do need them otherwise Osama bin Laden would have been a nobody.

Qutb's and the Muslim Brotherhood's tactics of enforcing a brutish ideology through political assassination and intimidation mirrors classic Islamic tactics.

There's nothing "reformed" about the murder of Sadat and the murder of earlier caliphs.

 

[Osomir]

So do tell us of the status of christianity in Egypt, for example, once a majority Christian nation.

When exactly was Egypt ever a majority Christian nation?? ..

To answer your question though it was largely Christian (as far as we can tell though many of our historical records come from Byzantine records which didn't recognize other religious groups) before the Arab invasion. A lot of North Africa was Christian and Jewish though, and the Arab Empire actually relied on them and their help in conquering both North Africa and Spain.

 

[Osomir]

Qutb's and the Muslim Brotherhood's tactics of enforcing a brutish ideology through political assassination and intimidation mirrors classic Islamic tactics.

There's nothing "reformed" about the murder of Sadat and the murder of earlier caliphs.

Ignoring the split that Qutb's works created within the Brotherhood is also willfully dishonest. Is that really the only way that you can construct an argument?

 

[Uncensored2008]

The Umayyads were a family based Arab Empire and employed non-Muslims from their clan family in many senior posts.

The Umayyads don't support a pre-Islamic "Arab Empire," since they are an Islamic entity.

 

[Hollie]

Coptic Christians are on the verge of disappearing from Egypt.

So, tell us of those thriving Jewish populations anywhere in the islamist Middle East.

Once again, ignoring historical trends over the span of over a thousand years simply for the simplicity of current circumstance is dishonest. Judaism used to be the second largest religious group under Umayyad rule in Iraq for example.

I'm actually pointing out historical trends you're hoping to sidestep and offer apologetics for.

In connection with the Jewish population, Moslems are on the verge of completing in the Middle East the task that Hitler hoped to accomplish in Europe.

 

[Osomir]

The Umayyads don't support a pre-Islamic "Arab Empire," since they are an Islamic entity.

The Umayyads were an Arab Clan Family, not a religious organization.

 

[Osomir]

I'm actually pointing out historical trends

Link?

 

[Sunni Man]

So do tell us of the status of christianity in Egypt, for example, once a majority Christian nation.

When exactly was Egypt ever a majority Christian nation?? ..

To answer your question though it was largely Christian (as far as we can tell though many of our historical records come from Byzantine records which didn't recognize other religious groups) before the Arab invasion. A lot of North Africa was Christian and Jewish though, and the Arab Empire actually relied on them and their help in conquering both North Africa and Spain.

I believe the area was more various types of pagan religion than either Christian or Jewish. ..

 

[Osomir]

Don't get me wrong, the Umayyads ran the Islamic caliphate and were largely Muslim, but they placed familial and ethnic status over that of religious status in their administration efforts.

 

[Hollie]

Qutb's and the Muslim Brotherhood's tactics of enforcing a brutish ideology through political assassination and intimidation mirrors classic Islamic tactics.

There's nothing "reformed" about the murder of Sadat and the murder of earlier caliphs.

Ignoring the split that Qutb's works created within the Brotherhood is also willfully dishonest. Is that really the only way that you can construct an argument?

What is willfully dishonest is claiming that Qutb envisioned anything but a global Islamic state. That is simply classical Islamic ideology.