Airplane crash in India, over 240 dead

[ShahdagMountains]

They found a survivor.

 

[Zebra]

They found a survivor.

now there are reports, that even 2 persons survived

 

[odanny]

The JeJu flight was a bird strike, and the pilots freaked. It was like they forgot completely on how to land a plane, not even lowering the landing gear!

 

[braalian]

Well, at least the usual racist posters here won’t be able to blame this on DEI hiring practices

 

[martybegan]

Good point. Also a quite likely reason, at least the bird strike will show up on video at such a low altitude.

You would assume Air India would have their "A" pilots on a London route, if it was a bird strike, they didn't have the altitude to try to recover.

 

[irosie91]

You would assume Air India would have their "A" pilots on a London route, if it was a bird strike, they didn't have the altitude to try to recover.

a bird strike-----oh "good" <<< sorta----I was worried that it might have been terrorism

 

[martybegan]

a bird strike-----oh "good" <<< sorta----I was worried that it might have been terrorism

The plane appeared to be under controlled flight as it descended, not an aerodynamic stall or parts of the plane coming off when it happened.

 

[toobfreak]

Not sure of a cause yet.

It was a Boeing 787 Dreamliner with RR engines. They say it crashed right after takeoff unable to get airborne.
Someone also said that they have had problems with these engines.

There have been a number of crashes during takeoff, as I recall, usually mistakes made skipping the checklist forgetting to set a flap or aileron or something needed for added lift during takeoff, or unseen ice on the wings, etc., but it does not surprise me, whatever the cause, to be a Boeing.

I remember when they came out with fly by wire, then there were a few crashes when they put computers in charge, supposedly to override the pilot if he made a mistake--- I remember one crash, I think it was the maiden publicity flight for Airbus to show a plane that could not be crashed into the ground due to massive computer oversight not allowing a stall condition, et al., apparently the plane was very low for demo purposes for the media to take pictures for a big show and when he went to pull up to clear trees at the end of the runway he hadn't know were there, the plane over-rode him thinking he was landing instead because he was below a certain height and would not rev the engines, and the computer flew the jet right into the forest.

 

[liarintheWH]

Well, at least the usual racist posters here won’t be able to blame this on DEI hiring practices

blah blah blah says the limp wrist homo

 

[skye]

Unbelievable! A true miracle!!

 

[Zincwarrior]

Not sure of a cause yet.

Air India crash live: London-bound passenger plane carrying more 240 people crashes after take-off in India

Black smoke was seen rising over a residential area after Air India flight AI171 to Gatwick crashed shortly after taking off from Ahmedabad.

www.bbc.com

Very terrible. One person survived. It even hit a medical college. Prayers for India and UK.

 

[gipper]

Very terrible. One person survived. It even hit a medical college. Prayers for India and UK.

But Israel please keep murdering Pali babies.

You’ve lost your mind.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

But Israel please keep murdering Pali babies.

You’ve lost your mind.

It seems you haven’t got one to lose.

 

[toobfreak]

That was not a bird strike, the other engine would have taken over and the affected engine would have been spewing smoke or flames.

You could hear there were no engines. If the engines had been at thrust (much less accelerating trying to climb altitude), you would have been able to hear a loud whining increasing in pitch at that distance behind the plane, instead, I heard nothing, like it was making a landing.

Another technological horror brought to us by the mind of Boeing.

 

[toobfreak]

Hopefully one day you guys will grasp humour.

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Don't forget the wheel wells, they can usually fit 40 or so up inside the wheel wells.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

That was not a bird strike, the other engine would have taken over and the affected engine would have been spewing smoke or flames.

You could hear there were no engines. If the engines had been at thrust (much less accelerating trying to climb altitude), you would have been able to hear a loud whining increasing in pitch at that distance behind the plane, instead, I heard nothing, like it was making a landing.

Another technological horror brought to us by the mind of Boeing.

Talking about bird strikes, were both engines affected in the plane Captain Sully had to ditch in the NYC river?

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Speaking to local media from his hospital bed, Mr Ramesh said that his brother had been sitting on another row adding 'I can't find him anymore'.

'Thirty seconds after take-off, there was a loud noise and then the plane crashed. It all happened so quickly,' he added.

'When I got up, there were bodies all around me. I was scared. I stood up and ran.

Officials said most of the bodies were charred beyond recognition.

India plane crash survivor says he was 'ejected' as PM visits him

Briton Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, miraculously survived the plane disaster, which killed all but one 242 passengers and crew on-board in in the northwestern Indian city of Ahmedabad.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Sole survivors of plane crashes are rare, but 'miracle passengers' who have emerged relatively unscathed from air accidents in recent years might suggest that sitting at the front of a plane is the safest place to be in the event of a crash.

In 2020, a Pakistan International Airlines Airbus A320 ploughed into a residential neighbourhood in Karachi, killing all but two of the 99 passengers onboard.

Just two men survived the devastating accident - and both were seated in the first eight rows of the plane.

President of the Bank of Punjab, Zafar Masud, was sitting in seat 1C, and was filmed being pulled alive from the smoking wreck - and engineer Mohammad Zubair, 24, was sitting in seat 8F. Both men suffered moderate injuries including fractures but recovered.

There's also evidence that the back of the plane is the safest place to be.

When a Boeing 737-800 crashed in South Korea last December after a bird strike, the only two people who survived were a pair of flight attendants seated in the very back of the plane.

The two crew members, a man and a woman, were miraculously rescued from the tail section of the burning plane. All the other 179 people on board were killed.

A 2015 study by Time magazine, which collected 35 years of crash data from the Federal Aviation Administration, found that the rear seats in an aircraft had a fatality rate of 32 percent while front seats had a 38 percent fatality rate.

However, for those in the middle of the plane, it was only 29 percent.

Aviation expert Professor McDermid told MailOnline where he considers the safest seats to be on a plane:………

I'm an aviation expert - these are the safest places to sit on a plane

Two leading British aviation experts have revealed the safest places to sit on a plane in the event of a crash - after a British father-of-one miraculously walked away from the Air India crash.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[odanny]

This looks like pilot error. This is the first 787 Dreamliner to crash yet some are saying it’s Boeing’s fault.

The best theory I’ve heard is that the co pilot was supposed to retract the landing gear and instead retracted the flaps, which makes sense because the landing gear should have already been retracted. Why was it not retracted?

If you have not done this you have all the extra drag, and retracting the flaps means you have also just lost lift. Combine the two and you pancake into the ground.

 

[ShahdagMountains]

Some interesting hypothese in here:

Survivor claims that lights on Air India flight 'started flickering'

Vishwash Kumar Ramesh, 40, from Leicester, has also described feeling like the Boeing 787 Dreamliner was 'stuck in the air' and was 'gliding' rather than climbing after take off.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I presume terrorism has been ruled out? Given the recent India/Pakistan issues?