AIPAC Is the Only Explanation for America's Morally Bankrupt Israel Policy
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P F Tinmore
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Indeed, look at what is happening in the West Bank.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eNNwbgQkGXQ]West Bank Clashes Protests for Gaza - YouTube[/ame]
And there is:
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0uiqeSY34yc]Israel Boycott Gains Traction As Gaza Assault Continues - YouTube[/ame]
Challenger
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Could not agree with you more: 76% of Americans feel both their political parties are corrupt, 61% that the US Congress is corrupt and surprisingly, compared to the UK(17%) 30% of Americans feel their armed forces are corrupt. Sad state of affairs for the so called "leader of the free world", the system is broken and the Zionists reap the benefits.
Global Corruption Barometer 2013 - National results
Challenger
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Do you seriously think a Gazan wakes up every morning, has breakfast and thinks, 'what shall I do today? I know, I'll fire a rocket at the Zionist scum across the fence!!!'
Look at the time line. Every series of rocket attacks has been provoked in some way or other by Zionist Israel, the frequent murders of Gazan government officials for example has a tendency to draw a response. Constantly poking a cage full of chimpanzees is guarenteed to get shit thrown at you.
Let's reverse the question, if Russia sent drones over and killed the odd US senator or congressman, destroyed the state capitol buildings in Sacramento or Austin, what would the US do?
This is the oldest trick in the Zionist manual. It was taught to them by Orde Wingate in the 1940's:
- Send a "special night squad" into a Palestinian village at night and shoot it up a bit (a casualty or two will be considered a bonus).
- Wait.
- Palestinian "hotheads" will inevitably seek revenge, form a gang and attack a Jewish settlement in the next few days.
- If they restrain themselves repeat first action at regular intervals until they crack.
- Perfect- shout to the world at large, "LOOK A MUSLIM TERRORIST ATTACK- WE MUST RETALIATE TO DEFEND OURSELVES"
- Next night send in a full company, surround the place, go in house to house and kill anyone with a firearm (doesn't matter how old it is or even if it works) then blow up a few houses.
- If there are no firearms, kill a few military age men for effect (we can always bring out that "terrist weapons stash of captured weapons" we keep on hand especially for the media.
- Wait a few weeks, repeat.
Beelzebub
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AIPAC is of course the chief co-ordinator of Israeli policy in the USA. Second only to the The White House.
Talking with some less strident Americans recently, it seems that AIPAC have successfully embedded in the more suggestible Americans - mainly the Right Wing who like people to wear white or black hats to make things simple - that only US policy stands between Judaism and genocide.
We all know our history of course ( ??? ). The USA was founded on the genocide of Native American Indians. Since then, when the US decided it definitely wanted to be a colonial power it committed genocide in the Philippines, during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
And since then, all the major nuclear powers prepared to commit genocide by arming up sufficiently to wipe out whole nations, indeed, possibly all of humanity in self defence. Or in a "pre-emptive" strike, possibly.
Now, Europeans have also been keen on that particular practice. We WERE initially the invaders to the US and Latin America, and genocide was official policy. In Australia it was not possible, as the Aboriginals were OFFICIALLY deemed to be animal, so not even due human status.
African blacks were considered to be animals, though not in the official sense, and were treated as without rights, even to life by Europeans. Of course African tribalism meant that they treated each other similarly, taking each other as slaves, just not on an industrial scale until Europeans arrived.
Going back further North Africans and Vikings would murder whole European villages & enslave survivors. Carthage punished Rome for being an upstart town, then Rome grew to wipe out the Carthaginian Empire, levelling Carthage and sowing its fields with salt.
The Tribes of Moses also were keen on genocide. After escaping Egypt - & being wrongly credited with building the pyramids - they went to the land of the Philistines. There, despite writing down that "God gave them the land" they committed genocide against a host of different peoples. Killed them into non-existence, with a serious plan and intent to do so. When that was done, in punitive strikes against central control, Joshua committed genocide against at least one of the Jewish tribes too.
It was a popular practice then.
So what is different about 1940's Germany?
Well, that was about the most industrialised and organised state in the world. What is so utterly unacceptable about Germany is that it is not history, but done in our own time, by a people so much like us to people who are also so much like us that it cannot be classified as something we would not do / could not be done to us. (Unlike Rwanda - which could not be us).
It was also done in a planned industrial fashion, just as any corporation or logistical firm would do now. Those of you who have been to Auschwitz will have seen the logistical planning and will know this.
But it is NOT an exception. It is almost the rule, that people are stupid, that they find false conspiracies and they demonize an enemy sufficiently that he is so sub-human that ANY atrocity can be committed against him and all his people. Then they try to do it.
So when Americans focus on the atrocities against Jews, and think that is the only great risk, they show their lack of understanding of history. When they think "Never Again" only means the tribes of Abraham, they misunderstand what outlawing genocide is about.
When they think that Zionism is a protective culture because it elevates protection of Jews above every other consideration, they forget that that means if every other consideration is dismissed. anyone else can be dispossessed / robbed / imprisoned / murdered for this intent.
Jews are NOT one simple species who think the same, as Zionism would want. Jews have a whole rainbow of ideas, thoughts and ideals. Ascribing all Jews to the strange, autistic philosophies of one strange fascist political movement of Zionism is to try to dismiss the humanity and complexity of Jewish people. It is in fact, Racist to think of Zionism as including all Jews.
It is also racist to permit - and excuse - and supply weapons - to imprison people who are not worthy because they are not Israeli nor Zionist nor Jews - to have them murdered as collective punishment. Bomb their children to persuade them to go away. To brutalise them. To destroy their economy and steal their land. Because they are not Jews.
Jews know this. Very many campaign against Israel. Because Jews are not Israel. Israel is not Jews, just people who want someone else's land, who happen to be Jewish.
So Americans are not intending to be evil. They are not intending to help commit genocide.
Its just they don't recognise the fundamental rights of the "other people". They don't ascribe human rights to them. They have dehumanised the Palestinians.
Americans think it is preventing genocide.
And that is the reason why America is now complicit in genocide.
Talking with some less strident Americans recently, it seems that AIPAC have successfully embedded in the more suggestible Americans - mainly the Right Wing who like people to wear white or black hats to make things simple - that only US policy stands between Judaism and genocide.
We all know our history of course ( ??? ). The USA was founded on the genocide of Native American Indians. Since then, when the US decided it definitely wanted to be a colonial power it committed genocide in the Philippines, during the late 19th and early 20th centuries.
And since then, all the major nuclear powers prepared to commit genocide by arming up sufficiently to wipe out whole nations, indeed, possibly all of humanity in self defence. Or in a "pre-emptive" strike, possibly.
Now, Europeans have also been keen on that particular practice. We WERE initially the invaders to the US and Latin America, and genocide was official policy. In Australia it was not possible, as the Aboriginals were OFFICIALLY deemed to be animal, so not even due human status.
African blacks were considered to be animals, though not in the official sense, and were treated as without rights, even to life by Europeans. Of course African tribalism meant that they treated each other similarly, taking each other as slaves, just not on an industrial scale until Europeans arrived.
Going back further North Africans and Vikings would murder whole European villages & enslave survivors. Carthage punished Rome for being an upstart town, then Rome grew to wipe out the Carthaginian Empire, levelling Carthage and sowing its fields with salt.
The Tribes of Moses also were keen on genocide. After escaping Egypt - & being wrongly credited with building the pyramids - they went to the land of the Philistines. There, despite writing down that "God gave them the land" they committed genocide against a host of different peoples. Killed them into non-existence, with a serious plan and intent to do so. When that was done, in punitive strikes against central control, Joshua committed genocide against at least one of the Jewish tribes too.
It was a popular practice then.
So what is different about 1940's Germany?
Well, that was about the most industrialised and organised state in the world. What is so utterly unacceptable about Germany is that it is not history, but done in our own time, by a people so much like us to people who are also so much like us that it cannot be classified as something we would not do / could not be done to us. (Unlike Rwanda - which could not be us).
It was also done in a planned industrial fashion, just as any corporation or logistical firm would do now. Those of you who have been to Auschwitz will have seen the logistical planning and will know this.
But it is NOT an exception. It is almost the rule, that people are stupid, that they find false conspiracies and they demonize an enemy sufficiently that he is so sub-human that ANY atrocity can be committed against him and all his people. Then they try to do it.
So when Americans focus on the atrocities against Jews, and think that is the only great risk, they show their lack of understanding of history. When they think "Never Again" only means the tribes of Abraham, they misunderstand what outlawing genocide is about.
When they think that Zionism is a protective culture because it elevates protection of Jews above every other consideration, they forget that that means if every other consideration is dismissed. anyone else can be dispossessed / robbed / imprisoned / murdered for this intent.
Jews are NOT one simple species who think the same, as Zionism would want. Jews have a whole rainbow of ideas, thoughts and ideals. Ascribing all Jews to the strange, autistic philosophies of one strange fascist political movement of Zionism is to try to dismiss the humanity and complexity of Jewish people. It is in fact, Racist to think of Zionism as including all Jews.
It is also racist to permit - and excuse - and supply weapons - to imprison people who are not worthy because they are not Israeli nor Zionist nor Jews - to have them murdered as collective punishment. Bomb their children to persuade them to go away. To brutalise them. To destroy their economy and steal their land. Because they are not Jews.
Jews know this. Very many campaign against Israel. Because Jews are not Israel. Israel is not Jews, just people who want someone else's land, who happen to be Jewish.
So Americans are not intending to be evil. They are not intending to help commit genocide.
Its just they don't recognise the fundamental rights of the "other people". They don't ascribe human rights to them. They have dehumanised the Palestinians.
Americans think it is preventing genocide.
And that is the reason why America is now complicit in genocide.
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montelatici
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The moral bankruptcy belongs to Americans with cognitive dissonance. Watching and enjoying the murder of children because they have been brainwashed to be racist pricks.
Kondor3
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Oh, give it a frigging rest, Monty.
1. there is no 'murder' on the part of the IDF, in connection with this new Gaza War
2. Hamas is to blame for embedding war-assets amongst it civilian population
3. nobody in America has been brainwashed in connection with Israel and Palestine
4. it is not racist to seek the extermination of a terrorist organization nor its members
5. Americans with common sense can see right through your propaganda efforts
Kondor3
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And the moment that we allow terrorist scum (and their backers) to dictate to us, whom the United States may befriend and ally with, and whom we have not, the terrorists (and their backers) win...
No thank you...
I don't know any people who enjoy the murder of children - except for the one poster here who continually insists 'all settlers are legitimate targets'. That would be one of the 'humanitarian Christian pacifists' here who ALSO routinely posts thanking Jesus for not making her a Zionist.......
Manonthestreet
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Dont forget all the Saudi money pouring in......why are arming both sides .........
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That Harward "professor" of "international affairs" declared in 2010 that "Saudi Arabia and the other Arab states have no meaningful lobby in Washington", which is, in view of the enormous US oil interests, schmucky. Walt is a long-time long-standing morally and intellectually bankrupt fag, of course.
The the International Crisis Group - George Soros. heh
montelatici
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1. Of course it's murder.
2. Hamas is not to blame. It is the IDF that is murdering women and children. Orwellian double speak doesn't work in the real world.
3. Most Americans have been brainwashed to hate Muslims and love Israel. The position of the people in the rest of the world proves this.
4. Naming freedom fighters you don't like terrorists is an old ploy that no one falls for anymore. Like the Muhajedin in Afghanistan who were freedom fighters when fighting the Russians and became terrorists when fighting NATO.
5. I have seen through the propaganda, it is and your type that have bought the propaganda.
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"women and children" should stop launching rockets, of course.
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So, "women" don't launch rockets, "children" do. Then "children" should stop launching rockets, of course.
Kondor3
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Incorrect.
If Hamas moved its war-assets away from heavily populated civilian residential areas, and if Hamas would stop using schools and mosques and hospitals and civilian bomb shelters, as storage caches for weapons and munitions, and as command posts and firing-points and gun and launcher emplacements and troop shelters, then there would be far fewer Gazan civilian casualties. Hamas is infamous around the world for their widespread use of their own women and children as human shields, and there is enough documentation on this subject to choke a horse.
Again, incorrect. And repeating it over and over does not render it thus.
If you have substantive evidence of large-scale intentional targeting of civilians, from credible and objective neutral sources, then, by all means, present it here, for the edification of the entire audience.
If not, then, your claim of murder must be set aside with prejudice; to be revisited only at such time as you manage to satisfy preliminary evidence requirements along those lines.
There isn't an ounce of Orwellian double-talk in either this particular refutation nor my post immediately preceding this one, in this sequence. You are welcome to serve-up any such text along with your rationale for labeling it thus, but, until then...
Who is doing this brainwashing, pray tell?
We can safely write-off that portion of the world within the domain of Islam as possessing an embedded and permanent hatred for the Jews and Israel.
Europe is a mixed bag... with Germany and France containing the highest percentages of anti-Muslim / pro-Israeli citizens... and with the UK oscillating between the two at the popular level and towards Israel on the official level.
That accounts for the lion's share of European countries worth considering in this context.
The pragmatic Russians and Chinese blow hot and cold depending upon the day and what side of the bed they got up on that morning.
Most of the rest of the world doesn't much care on either an official nor popular level, to any extent sufficient to be taken into account in this context.
And, push comes to shove, beyond the realm of Islam, in any Final Showdown between Israel and the Palestinians (especially Hamas), under circumstances where it cannot be stopped and one must choose sides, most will choose Israel in a heartbeat.
I do not share your perspective on world opinion directed at Israel, not its impact nor prospects.
If it looks like a duck and smells like a duck and waddles like a duck and shits like a duck and quacks like a duck, there's a decent chance that it's a duck.
If it looks like a terrorist and smells like a terrorist...
Or so says the US Department of State, the EU, et al . I'll keep my own counsel, and side with them, in the matter of whom should and should not be labeled as 'terrorists'.
When guerrilla warfare or asymmetric warfare organizations cease their guerrilla and asymmetrical warfare operations and switch to generalized terror operations, they cease being freedom (or any other kind of) fighters, and become terrorists.
This idea of change of status or modus operandi and revisions to labeling is not a difficult one to grasp.
How nice for you.
Feel free to continue believing that your distrust of government labeling of terrorists is operative in any real sense, and that everyone who opposes your viewpoint on such labeling must be enthralled by those same polities and their brainwashing.
It's a gross inaccuracy, bordering on the delusional, but if that's what gets you through the day, in this context, then who am I to burst your bubble and bring you back to Reality in such matters? Enjoy the vision.
Kondor3
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All Hamas needs to do is to move their rocket launchers and weapons and munitions caches and troop muster-areas and command posts and firing points and emplacements away from those residential areas where such children reside, and the casualty rate for such innocents drops immediately into the cellar, on a graphic.
Hamas embeds their assets in such areas so as to trigger reluctance and delays on the part of the IDF for hitting their assets while surrounded thus.
Sometimes, it works.
Most of the time, it doesn't.
Like when the Germans and Japanese surrounded their factories with civilians, to discourage Allied bombing.
Like now, too.
On a grander scale, because they're on a mission to kill Hamas this time, not just take out a few positions.
Want to save the kids?
Move Hamas away from them.
Your choice.
But, one way or another, the hammering of Hamas will continue apace.
Q.E.D.
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