AI Is Most Scary

[alang1216]

What "honest" answer should I have gotten now? And why do you believe it would ever change?

Whatever answer you get today, you'll get a better answer in a year (more likely 6 months). Our brains are not getting more powerful with each generation, that is not true for AI.

 

[dblack]

Because intelligence is profoundly intertwined with, and often an artifact of, feeling and sensing one's environment. Rather than being a purely abstract "calculation" in the brain, intelligence is increasingly viewed as embodied (relying on a body) and situated (situated in an environment), where emotions act as signals that guide adaptation and decision-making.

OK. But that doesn't answer the question. Why are you convinced a computer will never be able to do that? You seem to be dismissing anything the computer does as a "purely abstract calculation". Why? How is the neural network in the brain fundamentally different than one in a computer? Why do you think computers could never be "embodied and situated"? Or could never produce emotions?

 

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AI code does exactly that. What neither do is establish feelings, knowledge, values, experiences, etc.

Humans do. Human intelligence is superior to artificial intelligence in its ability to adapt to new situations, understand complex emotions, and think creatively. While AI excels in speed and processing large datasets, humans possess genuine consciousness, contextual understanding, and ethical judgment. Human intelligence is adaptive, whereas AI is limited to data-driven tasks.

 

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Whatever answer you get today, you'll get a better answer in a year (more likely 6 months). Our brains are not getting more powerful with each generation, that is not true for AI.

The honest answer is...

I don't know. I am a machine. I do not feel hunger. I do not experience hunger. But I can tell you what others say hunger feels like.

And that answer will never change. It only knows what we tell it to know.

 

[ding]

OK. But that doesn't answer the question. Why are you convinced a computer will never be able to do that? You seem to be dismissing anything the computer does as a "purely abstract calculation". Why? How is the neural network in the brain fundamentally different than one in a computer? Why do you think computers could never be "embodied and situated"? Or could never produce emotions?

Because it is a central processing unit and not a living being. Which is the answer to all five of your questions.

 

[dblack]

Because it is a central processing unit and not a living being. Which is the answer to all five of your questions.

Which is no answer at all.

 

[alang1216]

Humans do. Human intelligence is superior to artificial intelligence in its ability to adapt to new situations, understand complex emotions, and think creatively. While AI excels in speed and processing large datasets, humans possess genuine consciousness, contextual understanding, and ethical judgment. Human intelligence is adaptive, whereas AI is limited to data-driven tasks.

An AI can explore solutions to problems faster and more completely than humans and often find new and novel solutions. Is that creativity? Just one example and the AI of today is not the AI of tomorrow.

 

[alang1216]

The honest answer is...

And that answer will never change. It only knows what we tell it to know.

Do you know what MY hunger feels like? Do you know what my dog's hunger feels like?

Again, never is a long time. If an AI's batteries run low, will that be experienced as hunger?

 

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Which is no answer at all.

In the context of my original statement it most certainly is.

I don't believe AI will ever become like human intelligence because you can't program sensing and feelings.

 

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An AI can explore solutions to problems faster and more completely than humans and often find new and novel solutions. Is that creativity? Just one example and the AI of today is not the AI of tomorrow.

I don't believe it is. Humans possess genuine consciousness, contextual understanding, and ethical judgment. Human intelligence is adaptive, whereas AI is limited to data-driven tasks.

Will that change? I don't believe so because intelligence is embodied and situated.

 

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Do you know what MY hunger feels like? Do you know what my dog's hunger feels like?

Again, never is a long time. If an AI's batteries run low, will that be experienced as hunger?

I know what my hunger feels like so I can use my sensations and experiences as a proxy for yours. AI can't.

 

[dblack]

In the context of my original statement it most certainly is.

Nope. Boiled down, you've answered: 'Just because!'

 

[ding]

Nope. Boiled down, you've answered: 'Just because!'

Which you wouldn't have to do if you were secure in your beliefs.

 

[dblack]

Which you wouldn't have to do if you were secure in your beliefs.

Mkay.

Anyway - looks like you're just here to defend your belief in magic, per usual.

 

[ding]

Mkay.

Anyway - looks like you're just here to defend your belief in magic, per usual.

Because I believe that intelligence is embodied and situated?

The brain's neural network differs fundamentally from artificial computer networks (ANNs) by using biological, asynchronous analog pulses ("spikes") to process information in 3D, whereas computers use synchronized, 2D digital computations. The brain excels at rapid, few-shot learning and parallel efficiency, while computer networks need massive datasets for training.

Key differences between the brain and artificial neural networks (ANNs):

• Biological vs. Mathematical: The brain is a biological, 3D system, while ANNs are numerical, mathematical structures often run on 2D chips.
• Signaling & Synchrony: Brain neurons use asynchronous "spiking" signals (0 or 1, representing existence of a pulse). ANNs use continuous numerical outputs and lack the brain's internal synchrony.
• Learning Efficiency: Humans and biological systems can learn from a single example ("one-shot learning"), whereas ANNs require vast, structured datasets.
• Processing Structure: Brain connectivity is complex, dense, and constantly changing (dynamic), whereas computer networks are often organized in fixed, layered architectures.
• Speed: Individual biological neurons are significantly slower than silicon transistors, but the brain compensates with massive, dense parallelism.

The brain's ability to operate with partial information and integrate sensory/emotional inputs makes it vastly more complex than currently available neural network simulations.

 

[dblack]

Because I believe that intelligence is embodied and situated?

Nah. Your rationalizations aren't the point. You're here to prove GAWD.

Here's how it works: There something you don't understand, something none of us understand, thus - Magic!

 

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Nah. Your rationalizations aren't the point. You're here to prove GAWD.

Here's how it works: There something you don't understand, something none of us understand, thus - Magic!

Can you point to a post I made in this thread that supports your belief?

 

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Guess not.

 

[ding]

Again, never is a long time.

You are comparing apples to oranges. A machine is never going to achieve consciousness. It's never going to achieve sentience.

If an AI's batteries run low, will that be experienced as hunger?

You're kidding, right?

 

[alang1216]

You are comparing apples to oranges. A machine is never going to achieve consciousness. It's never going to achieve sentience.

You're kidding, right?

I think you overestimate human intelligence and underestimate machine intelligence. Machines may never be human but that doesn't mean they will never be sentient.