AI Is Most Scary

[jacksonlamb]

It would apply to any biological life form that has reached the level of self awareness and abstract thought to the extent that humans have.

But it's not exactly like us. Machines can't experience existence like we do. They can't sense and they can't feel. What you are talking about is "calculations." "Calculations" can decide if one side won or lost but it can't factor in the cost of human suffering, so it won't, because it can't know what that feels like.

Unless AIs are able to incorporate empathy we are doomed.

 

[ding]

Those sure are some theories. But we don't really know what human intelligence is all about. We used to hold up the Turing test as the hallmark - but current AI models mostly blow that out of the water. So we moved the goal post to, what? Feelings? And when AI can exhibit emotional responses? Where to we move it too then?

Intelligence like consciousness encompasses the entire being (i.e. embodied and situated).

The science isn't arguing that sensations and feeling are a product of intelligence. The science is arguing that intelligence is a product of experiencing existence (i.e. sensations and feelings). What you seem to be describing is the reverse. So I doubt a machine will ever experience existence any other way than through computations. And I don't see how that is embodied or situated. But believe whatever you want. This is just my opinion based upon what I suspected and what I learned.

 

[ding]

Unless AIs are able to incorporate empathy we are doomed.

I agree. It's just numbers. It's just math. My question is will the computations lead it to logical conclusions that we don't want it to.

 

[alang1216]

We have all kinds of "smart" things now but it's just programming. You can argue we are programmed and that wouldn't be far from the truth. The difference is we experience existence. How would you program a machine to experience existence? I don't believe it can be done. So no, not machines. Now if we are talking about some other form of life that is non-biological, such as existence itself, then yes.

Machines don't really sense and they don't "feel". They compute. Two different things. So, yes. They are totally different. But believe whatever you want. I don't believe AI will ever be truly intelligent. It may look intelligent but it's just programming. It's just computations. They can't experience existence and that is crucial to learning.

I think your problem is your lack of understanding of AI tech. No one 'programs' an AI anymore, it is turned loose on massive stores of data that is parses and ingests. It is why no one knows what the AI will offer as an answer to a question.

 

[ding]

I think your problem is your lack of understanding of AI tech. No one 'programs' an AI anymore, it is turned loose on massive stores of data that is parses and ingests. It is why no one knows what the AI will offer as an answer to a question.

That's amazing. No code at all.

 

[Oddball]

very scary....

 

[ding]

I think your problem is your lack of understanding of AI tech. No one 'programs' an AI anymore, it is turned loose on massive stores of data that is parses and ingests. It is why no one knows what the AI will offer as an answer to a question.

I asked google AI what it feels like to be hungry and here is what it said.

Hunger is a physical signal that your body needs energy, typically manifesting as a growling, empty, or aching stomach. Beyond the stomach, it often causes fatigue, irritability ("hangry"), dizziness, difficulty concentrating, and headaches. It is important to recognize early signs like light emptiness, rather than waiting for headaches or dizziness.
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Common Physical Hunger Signals

• Stomach sensations: Growling, rumbling, gurgling, or a hollow/empty feeling.
• Energy levels: Fatigue, sudden low energy, or lightheadedness.
• Emotional shifts: Irritability, anxiety, or feeling on edge.
• Physical reactions:
  Headache, shakiness, or increased salivation when thinking of food.
  • Mental focus: Difficulty concentrating or thinking about food (food noise).

So tell me... did it answer the question honestly?

 

[ding]

I think your problem...

I have so many problems this one doesn't make the list.

 

[jacksonlamb]

AI can't 'feel' hunger or a broken ankle or when your child or wife dies. I have felt all of that.

It makes a difference, I believe.

 

[alang1216]

That's amazing. No code at all.

The code in an AI is akin to the DNA in your body. It is a foundation that allows you to develop.

 

[alang1216]

I asked google AI what it feels like to be hungry and here is what it said.

Hunger is a physical signal that your body needs energy, typically manifesting as a growling, empty, or aching stomach. Beyond the stomach, it often causes fatigue, irritability ("hangry"), dizziness, difficulty concentrating, and headaches. It is important to recognize early signs like light emptiness, rather than waiting for headaches or dizziness.
Right as Rain by UW Medicine +3
Common Physical Hunger Signals

• Stomach sensations: Growling, rumbling, gurgling, or a hollow/empty feeling.
• Energy levels: Fatigue, sudden low energy, or lightheadedness.
• Emotional shifts: Irritability, anxiety, or feeling on edge.
• Physical reactions:
  Headache, shakiness, or increased salivation when thinking of food.
  • Mental focus: Difficulty concentrating or thinking about food (food noise).

So tell me... did it answer the question honestly?

Ask the question again in a year and see what you get. Then every year after that and see what you get.

 

[dblack]

AI can't 'feel' hunger or a broken ankle or when your child or wife dies. I have felt all of that.

It makes a difference, I believe.

I agree. But I see no reason, in principle, that those functions couldn't be trained into an AI model that was sufficiently sophisticated.

 

[ding]

The code in an AI is akin to the DNA in your body. It is a foundation that allows you to develop.

Not really. DNA defines everything from conception to death. According to you, the code in AI doesn't do that. But putting that aside, so what? AI performs calculations. It looks for patterns.

 

[ding]

Ask the question again in a year and see what you get. Then every year after that and see what you get.

What "honest" answer should I have gotten now? And why do you believe it would ever change?

 

[citygator]

If this is how we go out… do we really care?

 

[dblack]

Intelligence like consciousness encompasses the entire being (i.e. embodied and situated).

So I doubt a machine will ever experience existence any other way than through computations.

You're assuming that intelligence/emotion is somehow different than a neural-network computing. Why?

 

[ding]

I agree. But I see no reason, in principle, that those functions couldn't be trained into an AI model that was sufficiently sophisticated.

Here is what AI says AI will replace.

AI is poised to replace, or heavily automate, routine white-collar tasks, entry-level roles, and data-driven positions such as data entry, basic copywriting, graphic design, customer service, and routine coding. It will disproportionately affect middle-layer knowledge work and tasks requiring fast, repetitive processing over complex human empathy or physical dexterity.

Jobs Highly Vulnerable to AI Replacement:

• Media & Tech: Copywriters, technical writers, journalists, graphic designers, and junior coders.
• Administration & Finance:Data entry, scheduling, payroll, and entry-level financial analysts
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  • Support & Services: Customer service agents and clerical roles that follow scripts.
  • Legal & Research: Paralegals, legal assistants, and market research analysts.
    

Areas Resistant to AI Displacement:

• Empathy-Driven Roles: Nurses, therapists, social workers, and teachers.
• Skilled Trades: Electricians, plumbers, and mechanics.
• Strategic Leadership: Senior management and roles requiring complex human judgment.
  

Key Trends:

• Automation of Sub-tasks: AI is more likely to replace specific tasks (like report generation) rather than entire jobs immediately, though this is leading to fewer entry-level positions.
• Shift in Productivity: Instead of total replacement, many firms are using AI to increase productivity, potentially reducing the need to hire more staff.
• Creative Direction: While AI performs creative execution, roles focusing on creative strategy and direction remain in demand.

 

[ding]

You're assuming that intelligence/emotion is somehow different than a neural-network computing. Why?

Because intelligence is profoundly intertwined with, and often an artifact of, feeling and sensing one's environment. Rather than being a purely abstract "calculation" in the brain, intelligence is increasingly viewed as embodied (relying on a body) and situated (situated in an environment), where emotions act as signals that guide adaptation and decision-making.

 

[ding]

If this is how we go out… do we really care?

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I'm like Shoresy, they're a bit young for me.

 

[alang1216]

Not really. DNA defines everything from conception to death. According to you, the code in AI doesn't do that. But putting that aside, so what? AI performs calculations. It looks for patterns.

AI code does exactly that. What neither do is establish feelings, knowledge, values, experiences, etc.