AI Is Most Scary

[jacksonlamb]

It would apply to any biological life form that has reached the level of self awareness and abstract thought to the extent that humans have.

But it's not exactly like us. Machines can't experience existence like we do. They can't sense and they can't feel. What you are talking about is "calculations." "Calculations" can decide if one side won or lost but it can't factor in the cost of human suffering, so it won't, because it can't know what that feels like.

Unless AIs are able to incorporate empathy we are doomed.

 

[ding]

Those sure are some theories. But we don't really know what human intelligence is all about. We used to hold up the Turing test as the hallmark - but current AI models mostly blow that out of the water. So we moved the goal post to, what? Feelings? And when AI can exhibit emotional responses? Where to we move it too then?

Intelligence like consciousness encompasses the entire being (i.e. embodied and situated).

The science isn't arguing that sensations and feeling are a product of intelligence. The science is arguing that intelligence is a product of experiencing existence (i.e. sensations and feelings). What you seem to be describing is the reverse. So I doubt a machine will ever experience existence any other way than through computations. And I don't see how that is embodied or situated. But believe whatever you want. This is just my opinion based upon what I suspected and what I learned.

 

[ding]

Unless AIs are able to incorporate empathy we are doomed.

I agree. It's just numbers. It's just math. My question is will the computations lead it to logical conclusions that we don't want it to.

 

[alang1216]

We have all kinds of "smart" things now but it's just programming. You can argue we are programmed and that wouldn't be far from the truth. The difference is we experience existence. How would you program a machine to experience existence? I don't believe it can be done. So no, not machines. Now if we are talking about some other form of life that is non-biological, such as existence itself, then yes.

Machines don't really sense and they don't "feel". They compute. Two different things. So, yes. They are totally different. But believe whatever you want. I don't believe AI will ever be truly intelligent. It may look intelligent but it's just programming. It's just computations. They can't experience existence and that is crucial to learning.

I think your problem is your lack of understanding of AI tech. No one 'programs' an AI anymore, it is turned loose on massive stores of data that is parses and ingests. It is why no one knows what the AI will offer as an answer to a question.

 

[ding]

I think your problem is your lack of understanding of AI tech. No one 'programs' an AI anymore, it is turned loose on massive stores of data that is parses and ingests. It is why no one knows what the AI will offer as an answer to a question.

That's amazing. No code at all.

 

[Oddball]

very scary....

 

[ding]

I think your problem is your lack of understanding of AI tech. No one 'programs' an AI anymore, it is turned loose on massive stores of data that is parses and ingests. It is why no one knows what the AI will offer as an answer to a question.

I asked google AI what it feels like to be hungry and here is what it said.

Hunger is a physical signal that your body needs energy, typically manifesting as a growling, empty, or aching stomach. Beyond the stomach, it often causes fatigue, irritability ("hangry"), dizziness, difficulty concentrating, and headaches. It is important to recognize early signs like light emptiness, rather than waiting for headaches or dizziness.
Right as Rain by UW Medicine +3
Common Physical Hunger Signals

• Stomach sensations: Growling, rumbling, gurgling, or a hollow/empty feeling.
• Energy levels: Fatigue, sudden low energy, or lightheadedness.
• Emotional shifts: Irritability, anxiety, or feeling on edge.
• Physical reactions:
  Headache, shakiness, or increased salivation when thinking of food.
  • Mental focus: Difficulty concentrating or thinking about food (food noise).

So tell me... did it answer the question honestly?

 

[ding]

I think your problem...

I have so many problems this one doesn't make the list.

 

[jacksonlamb]

AI can't 'feel' hunger or a broken ankle or when your child or wife dies. I have felt all of that.

It makes a difference, I believe.

 

[alang1216]

That's amazing. No code at all.

The code in an AI is akin to the DNA in your body. It is a foundation that allows you to develop.

 

[alang1216]

I asked google AI what it feels like to be hungry and here is what it said.

Hunger is a physical signal that your body needs energy, typically manifesting as a growling, empty, or aching stomach. Beyond the stomach, it often causes fatigue, irritability ("hangry"), dizziness, difficulty concentrating, and headaches. It is important to recognize early signs like light emptiness, rather than waiting for headaches or dizziness.
Right as Rain by UW Medicine +3
Common Physical Hunger Signals

• Stomach sensations: Growling, rumbling, gurgling, or a hollow/empty feeling.
• Energy levels: Fatigue, sudden low energy, or lightheadedness.
• Emotional shifts: Irritability, anxiety, or feeling on edge.
• Physical reactions:
  Headache, shakiness, or increased salivation when thinking of food.
  • Mental focus: Difficulty concentrating or thinking about food (food noise).

So tell me... did it answer the question honestly?

Ask the question again in a year and see what you get. Then every year after that and see what you get.